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    • corneyAmberC Offline
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      verykiasu2010:


      two recent issues that MOE blundered : (1) sex ed by Aware; (2) MT weightage reduction. Anyway, Minister Ng apologised, but citizens need to be watchful lor
      Actually I feel that it was good that they made some blunders then we get to discuss our wishlist with them formally or informally. If all things are so smooth-sailing, then everything will just be a top-down approach. So I see this imperfection as a good thing to encourage a constructive dialogue to be exchanged. Also from these incidents, we see that they care enough for the future leaders of our country to empathise and listen to parents' concerns.

      Of course one thing I agree is that such blunders should be limited otherwise it would also put their governance in jeopardy.

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        ksi:
        verykiasu2010:



        two recent issues that MOE blundered : (1) sex ed by Aware; (2) MT weightage reduction. Anyway, Minister Ng apologised, but citizens need to be watchful lor

        Actually I feel that it was good that they made some blunders then we get to discuss our wishlist with them formally or informally. If all things are so smooth-sailing, then everything will just be a top-down approach. So I see this imperfection as a good thing to encourage a constructive dialogue to be exchanged. Also from these incidents, we see that they care enough for the future leaders of our country to empathise and listen to parents' concerns.

        Of course one thing I agree is that such blunders should be limited otherwise it would also put their governance in jeopardy.

        and the internet age has made it instantaneous \"broadcast\" for any mistakes, less forgiving in terms of public perception & impression

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          The English version of the report is still missing the big picture, which is why I said the Chinese version is clearer.


          The apology by Dr Ng is not to be trivialized. It meant that there was really no such intention to diminish the emphasis of MT except that he used the wrong choice of words. Without that, from the English version, it could suggest that there might still be a hidden agenda. So I hope this issue is now put to rest and they work on the building blocks of mastering MT.

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            ksi:
            The English version of the report is still missing the big picture, which is why I said the Chinese version is clearer.


            The apology by Dr Ng is not to be trivialized. It meant that there was really no such intention to diminish the emphasis of MT except that he used the wrong choice of words. Without that, from the English version, it could suggest that there might still be a hidden agenda. So I hope this issue is now put to rest and they work on the building blocks of mastering MT.
            May 11, 2010
            GOVERNMENT ON MOTHER TONGUE
            No lowering of weightage
            By Clarissa Oon
            THE weightage of the Mother Tongue in the Primary School Leaving Examination will not be lowered, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and Education Minister Ng Eng Hen reassured Singaporeans opposed to the move.

            Bilingualism remains as important as ever, but what will change is the way the mother tongue languages are taught and examined, they said on Tuesday morning, in response to the outpouring of views on the subject.

            The underlying problem is that students today have such diverse backgrounds and aptitudes in Mandarin, Malay and Tamil, and reducing the Mother Tongue weighting is not the best way of resolving that, PM Lee said.

            'I think this would send the wrong signal, that we are downgrading Mother Tongue. Certainly, it will not be efficient in helping the student to reach the level which we would like him to reach,' he explained in a press conference at the Istana.

            Instead, the Ministry of Education (MOE) is exploring examination models, pegged to different levels of language proficiency, that 'give students progressive, successive achievable targets to aim for'.

            This would be fair to both strong and weak students, he said, adding: 'The better students can go further and be awarded for their achievement. The weaker students can progress as far as their abilities will allow, reach a meaningful proficiency level and get appropriate credit for what they've accomplished.'

            Dr Ng stressed that such an overhaul of mother tongue teaching and examination was a long term one, and would not affect the present batches of primary school students. Any revisions to the curriculum and the PSLE format would take place over the next five to 15 years, he said.

            He also apologised for having earlier given the wrong impression that his ministry planned to reduce the weighting for mother tongues at the PSLE.


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            http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_525192.html

            the press statement is also available in pdf format

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            • corneyAmberC Offline
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              Ok this version is clearer. Phew!! But now it states 5 to 15 years... CNA n ST not in syn?? :lol:

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              • V Offline
                vlim
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                anyway is time to let the heat cool down la..... is always not easy to be a decision maker :imconstipated:

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                  3Boys
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                  Why on earth did they take so long to clear the air though? If they did not want to move on the weightage, why burn so much political good will? Such faux pas are usually corrected within hours, let alone weeks. I still get the feeling they wanted to test the reaction on the ground…

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                    press conference on Tuesday, May 11

                    Good morning everybody.
                    I called this morning’s press conference to explain the Government’s thinking on the
                    question of the mother tongue language or as MOE calls it “MTL”.
                    Let me first outline my key points before I explain the background and what this
                    issue is about and what the way forward is. The first point is – Mother Tongue
                    remains crucial. It is the foundation of our educational system, has been for many
                    years and will continue to be, and we have no intentions of changing that.
                    Secondly, we are not reducing the weight of Mother Tongue languages at PSLE. I
                    put that directly to address a lot of concerns that have arisen. That is not going to
                    change but there are things we have to do to the examinations and to the teaching of
                    mother tongue. We have to update the curriculum, we have to update the teaching,
                    we have to update the examining of Mother Tongue languages because our
                    language environment in Singapore is changing and we have to adapt to that. We
                    have to fit the diverse backgrounds and aptitudes of our students in schools. That
                    means we have to customize our content and it means we need more resources for
                    Mother Tongue and particularly, it will mean we need more Mother Tongue teachers.
                    How we are going to do this is still work-in-progress. MOE is reviewing the teaching
                    of MTL. We have set up a Committee chaired by Ho Peng (Director-General for
                    Education) and they are in their preliminary stages of their work, studying the
                    different methodologies which other countries and other systems have used and
                    tried out for teaching languages. I think they have got some ideas but they will need
                    some time to come up with specific recommendations on the way forward.
                    So that is where we stand. Mother Tongue is the cornerstone, the weightage is not
                    going to be reduced but the teaching and examination will have to change and
                    improve. MOE is working on it and it will take some time.
                    This issue became hot after Minister Ng Eng Hen gave a media interview about 3
                    weeks ago. It created fears that the Government was reducing emphasis on the
                    Mother Tongues in schools and particularly beyond that, that it was really lowering
                    the status of the Mother Tongues in our society. Today Minister Ng and I will outline
                    the Government’s policies and plans for Mother Tongue languages so that the public
                    and especially the parents and students know where the Government stands and
                    where we are going on this.

                    I see a positive side in the public responses. There has been agitation and there has
                    been fear and I think we need to calm this down. But there has also been strong
                    support for the Mother Tongues languages which in fact reflects the success of our
                    bilingual policy.
                    Had it not been for the bilingual policy producing a whole new generation of
                    Singaporeans who are competent in and proud of their Mother Tongues, I do not
                    think we would have had this reaction. And the government shares the same goals
                    as many of those who has spoken up – to maintain a strong emphasis on Mother
                    Tongue languages, to keep our bilingualism alive and ultimately to create the best
                    environment to give our students and our children the best headstart in life.
                    How to do that we have to discuss carefully and there can be different views but I
                    think as overall objectives, we share those. Our system for teaching Mother Tongue
                    is not perfect. We would not claim it so, we have worked hard at it but it still has
                    many issues. But I think to be fair we have upgraded, updated and improved it
                    significantly over the years and repeatedly over the years. People say too often but
                    we have done reviews every few years. I chaired one in 1999 and MM was
                    personally involved in one about 5 years later and now we are talking about a review
                    again. The changes come quick because when we are talking about education, 5
                    years is not a long time. First you have got to have the ideas, the concepts, the
                    directions, then you get the materials and you train your teachers, then your teachers
                    implement it, then gradually year to year the students progress and finally many
                    years later, maybe after all the officials who have started this have retired, then the
                    students start to take examinations – PSLE, O levels and so on. Therefore 5 years
                    is actually very fast because before the last one has finished, the next one has
                    already begun. But it is necessary to do this because our environment is changing
                    quite rapidly and we have to keep on looking ahead so that we stay ahead of the
                    curve and abreast of the situation. It puts a very heavy load on our teachers, on the
                    systems. I would give full credit to them for the great efforts which they have made in
                    understanding what we are trying to do, in doing a very difficult job in the schools
                    and in the education ministry, and I would say significantly improving the way Mother
                    Tongue has been taught in the schools. Had we not made all those changes over
                    the years, I think today we would already be in a very serious jam. We have made
                    the changes, the teachers have tried their very best to adapt. I have seen what they
                    have done to try to be creative, to try and be innovative, to try and make the
                    materials interesting and fun, to engage the students. I think that while it is still hard
                    work, it has made a big difference.
                    But we have to keep on adapting and building on what we have achieved. Why?
                    First of all because the language environment is changing among our population and
                    changing very rapidly. Already amongst the Chinese, the majority of parents of
                    Primary One students are predominantly English speaking at home. For Malay and
                    Indian parents, the proportions are lower, but similarly growing. But also because
                    there is new research and new thinking around the world, discovering better ways to

                    teach languages, better ways to learn languages. We have to make the most of
                    these new ideas and adapt them, incorporate them into our systems. We cannot
                    copy them because our requirements are different, our society is different. You are
                    learning a language which is not a foreign language but a language which is alive in
                    our society and we are trying to keep it alive in our society. But I think there is a lot
                    we can learn from the way people are teaching, are examining languages, are
                    bringing students to successively higher standards of proficiencies and we should
                    take full advantage of that.
                    Thirdly, of course, IT changes a lot of things and including the teaching, learning and
                    testing of languages. It is happening everywhere in the world, even in China and it is
                    not just a matter of using a ball pen (stylus) instead of using a Chinese brush (毛笔).
                    People go on the keyboard and have all kinds of new ways to type in words and for
                    expressing themselves. They use the language in different ways. They do not write
                    long letters, they write emails, they have SMSes in highly informal language, all sorts
                    of strange colloquialisms and abbreviations which purists frown upon and which
                    probably is not a good thing to learn if you are learning the language and you want to
                    get the proper form. But you have to know that this is the environment and we have
                    to teach the students cognizant of this environment because that is how they are
                    going to use the language. And that is how we should prepare them so that what is
                    learnt in class is relevant to what they will use the languages for in life after they
                    leave school or even while they are in school in their social lives and at home.
                    We are carefully considering how these trends will affect MTL teaching and we need
                    to start thinking about the next phase now so that in 5 or 10 years time, we will be
                    ready with changes, beginning to implement changes that will keep Mother Tongue
                    relevant to this new situation. We place a lot of importance on this because Mother
                    Tongue is not only core to the education system but to our conception of what kind of
                    society we are, what sort of ethos pervades Singapore, who we think we are. We
                    are not just people who came from other space who have learnt English but we have
                    histories, we have heritages, we have identities. We have adapted to the modern
                    world and we are working with English but Mother Tongue is an important part of us
                    which defines us and at the same time links us to the world we live in – Asia, India,
                    China, Southeast Asia. It places us so that we are centred so that we do not feel
                    that we are always off balance and a slightly second-class copy of somebody else.
                    We are ourselves, proud of it.
                    And so it is not just a matter for MOE. This February, a couple of months ago, we
                    had a major meeting here – MM, myself, Minister Ng, all the ministers in MOE and all
                    the key officials in MOE concerned with Mother Tongue teaching – for Chinese, for
                    Malay, for Tamil, 50-odd in all. We spent about 2 hours and had a very intense and
                    useful discussion. The Ministers, MM and I particularly wanted to explain why we felt
                    this was important, why we needed to change and update the teaching of the
                    language, what our objectives are and how we could help the teachers and

                    education ministry officials to do their work better and make this a success. And at
                    the same time we also wanted to talk to the officials in the ministries, the supervisors
                    of the schools, the principals – both from the SAP schools, as well as a few from the
                    schools where there are a lot of children with difficulty learning Mother Tongue, to
                    understand what their challenges were and what their difficulties were, where they
                    felt that they have been successful and what the way forward was.
                    But it does not stop with a meeting. The Ministry has appointed a committee and the
                    Director-General of Education is chairing it, to deliberate this very seriously. They
                    are still in their early stages but they have come up with two significant inter-related
                    ideas which I think will guide the direction forward.
                    One, the idea of differentiated teaching. That means to differentiate the teaching
                    more, to adapt your approach and content to the different backgrounds and different
                    learning aptitudes of the children. If the child speaks Mother Tongue at home or
                    socially day-by-day, you can take one approach teaching him because he already
                    has the concept of what the sounds are, the grammar, the way the language is used.
                    You have to formalize it – he may need to learn to write, to learn the grammar more
                    properly, to learn the more of the formal language, the idioms which might not occur
                    so commonly in daily life. But the framework is already there.
                    On the other hand if he is coming to the language more from scratch which some
                    proportions of our students do, in all languages – Chinese, Malay as well as Tamil –
                    then you have to understand what his background is and use his background in
                    order to bridge the gap and teach the language which he is learning more as a
                    second language than as a Mother Tongue. I think that if you use the same
                    approach for both groups of students, you are going to have a problem and if you do
                    not distinguish between students who are strong in language abilities and those
                    students who are weak in language abilities, you are also going to have a problem.
                    So the first thrust which we believe will be necessary is to differentiate the teaching
                    and the learning of the language.
                    The second thrust which is related to this is to teach and to test based on proficiency
                    levels. What do we mean by proficiency levels? To define clearly and in detail
                    levels of attainments that you can verify the students have reached. For example,
                    can he communicate simply and directly on familiar daily topics? If he can chat with
                    you and discuss where he went for breakfast, whether he came to school on time,
                    what he is wearing, what his parents or sisters are doing – that is one level and you
                    can ascertain that.
                    Another level might be the ability to read newspapers and magazine articles and
                    understand them. You can verify that. It is a well defined proficiency level.
                    Another level may be the ability to express himself fluently in writing and in speech.
                    It could be an imformal presentation, or a formal speech to write and present – that is
                    another higher standard. If we can define more of these proficiency levels, then I

                    think we can get our students to go from level to level and jump from one step to the
                    next, instead of trying to do one high jump to the top, and if he didn’t quite hit the bar
                    and crashed somewhere down then I only give him 45 marks for good effort. But
                    actually he did not get anywhere. But if I have steps to get all the way there, and I
                    know he made the first, second and third step, the fourth step maybe not quite, then
                    there is proficiency which is verified and there is achievement from the kid who say,
                    yes, I know I am getting somewhere and this is something that I am able to attain. I
                    did not get full marks, which is the highest level that people want but I am getting
                    somewhere and it is not a hopeless waste of time.
                    We have not worked out the details but I think the approach which is needed is quite
                    clear. We have to cater to a varied student population, we have to develop different
                    material for the different proficiency levels and abilities of the students, and if we
                    want to do all these good things, (I can just hear the teachers listening to me,
                    thinking this to themselves now) then we need to provide more resources and
                    particularly we have to provide more teachers. We have to recruit, train and produce
                    more teachers so that we can have smaller classes, we can have more personal
                    attention to the students, more interaction in class. If you have 40 students learning
                    language in class, it is not possible for all of them to be practising and to be getting
                    attention from the teacher, correcting them, suggesting to them better ways of
                    putting it, helping them when they stumble over a new word or to find a new word.
                    If you want to do all these good things, you have to find resources, more teachers
                    and we will do that. We cannot do it overnight but it is something that we intend to do.
                    We will invest more because we believe in the importance of the Mother Tongue
                    lauguages.
                    Of course, after the teaching, it has to follow through to the examining and the
                    exams have to support this new way of teaching the languages. Because otherwise
                    whatever you may say about enrichment, about culture, about fun, about activities,
                    about going beyond the curriculum, when it comes close to the exams, that means 2
                    or 3 years from now (P3 and certainly P4) the parents, the children and the teachers
                    will all zero in on exams - better memorize this list, I have summarized this, this is
                    what has been asked in the last ten exams and if you master this, with some luck,
                    some questions will come out and you may score an extra half mark. I think you
                    have to study and focus on exams but to overly obsess on it the way some students
                    are doing and I think our system does not really discourage them from doing, that
                    can be counter-productive to the broader objectives of learning and mastering the
                    language that we are after. That is why we have to go through to talk about exams
                    and that is why when Minister Ng met the press he discussed exams which led to
                    this issue. We have adjusted the exam format over the years, we have increased the
                    oral component of the exams but basically the structure has remained more or less
                    the same. In the next phase we have to go beyond these incremental changes to
                    look critically at the examination and the grading system. How to test for proficiency,

                    this idea of going from step to step? How to incentivize students to make the effort to
                    get to the next step and how to grade their achievements fairly?
                    The concerns came about because of the issue of PSLE scoring. Minister Ng has
                    said “MTL marks count for so much in the PSLE” and some concluded we want to
                    reduce the weighting but we are not reducing the weighting. This would send the
                    wrong signal that we are downgrading Mother Tongue as a lot of the people who
                    have spoken up have said. But it also is probably not the best way to solve the
                    problem. Certainly it would not be effective in helping the student to reach the level
                    that we would like them to reach. Nevertheless we do need to change the way in
                    which we examine and grade students in order to dovetail with the other changes we
                    plan to make.
                    This new approach that we have in mind will benefit all the students. There is no
                    way around making the effort to learn a language. Learning a language always
                    takes an effort, learning a second language takes more effort and especially if your
                    second language and main language are very different, like English and Chinese or
                    English and Tamil, a bit less so for English and Malay, then it takes a lot of sweat.
                    There is no way around that, the students have to put in the effort and we would like
                    the parents to encourage and to help them. But the approach we are taking will help
                    us in this effort because differentiated teaching will enable us to teach each student
                    in the most appropriate way according to his ability and enable him to learn
                    according to his ability, and setting proficiency levels will give students progressive,
                    successive, achievable targets to aim for.
                    The better students can go forward and be awarded for their achievements and the
                    weaker students can progress to as far as their abilities will allow, reach a
                    meaningful proficiency level and get appropriate credit for what they have
                    accomplished. So in essence, we cannot have a one size fits all model. We have to
                    consider this new approach not just as a brilliant idea, but we have to look at it
                    overall, systemically from an educational point of view. How do we make a system
                    work with these principal considerations. From the principal considerations to the
                    system is an enormous amount of detailed work, experimenting, trial, preparation.
                    So we have to give the Director-General of Education’s committee time to do a
                    proper job. They should have some progress to report in a few months, but beyond
                    that, implementing the curriculum and the exams structure will of course take longer
                    – years rather than months.
                    Let me wind up by just saying that one of the things this debate has shown is that
                    many young parents want their children to do well in Mother Tongue. They want
                    their children to retain their cultural heritage, they want to respond to the rise of
                    China and India as well as the links between Singapore and our immediate
                    neighbours in Southeast Asia, particularly in Malaysia and Indonesia. But at the
                    same time the parents also want the teaching and learning of Mother Tongue
                    languages to improve. So it is not that the status quo is fine. They want teaching to

                    be more directly relevant to their daily lives, they want to capture the interests of the
                    students and they want to use the best educational technologies available, so that
                    the students can be self motivated to achieve the highest possible proficiency in
                    Mother Tongue languages and make the best use of their time which they spend
                    learning Mother Tongue languages. And I think these are positive attitudes which
                    auger well for the learning of MTL and for keeping ours an Asian society.

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                      Only someone within MOE with direct involvement in this matter can explain why. My take on this is that they probably assumed (wrongly) that this move would assure them more votes in the coming elections, and were surprised by the backlash.

                      3Boys:
                      Why on earth did they take so long to clear the air though? If they did not want to move on the weightage, why burn so much political good will? Such faux pas are usually corrected within hours, let alone weeks. I still get the feeling they wanted to test the reaction on the ground.......

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                        Phew, so many words from PM....


                        Diversity of language teaching, should have done this 10 years ago 😐 , definitely would have helped the weaker students.

                        Somebody said, no more Z turns, I agree.

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