NUS / NTU medicine application 2018/2019

[Zeit]

FantasyLandDreams:

http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/overseas-stints-boon-ntus-first-batch-medicine-students

I wonder how many from the pioneer batch actually got a stint in London?

[sharonkhoo]

Zeit:

FantasyLandDreams:

http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/overseas-stints-boon-ntus-first-batch-medicine-students

I wonder how many from the pioneer batch actually got a stint in London?

Which year did the pioneer batch begin? I know someone who is 4th yr now and is having a London stint this year. Not sure if he's already there or how long it is, though.

[Zeit]

slmkhoo:

Zeit:

[quote=\"FantasyLandDreams\"]http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/overseas-stints-boon-ntus-first-batch-medicine-students

I wonder how many from the pioneer batch actually got a stint in London?

Which year did the pioneer batch begin? I know someone who is 4th yr now and is having a London stint this year. Not sure if he's already there or how long it is, though.[/quote]Should be 5 years ago- Aug 2013 intake.

\"Today (May 2018 date of article), the pioneer batch of 52 medicine students from NTU will have completed their five-year undergraduate course.\"

Do they actually get to spend a term at Imperial College, as 'advertised'?

EDITED - Apologies: I found the answer... 22 went over.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/181253/imperial-hosts-placements-lee-kong-chian/

[phtthp]

Zeit:

FantasyLandDreams:

http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/overseas-stints-boon-ntus-first-batch-medicine-students

Should be 5 years ago- Aug 2013 intake.

\"Today (May 2018 date of article), the pioneer batch of 52 medicine students from NTU will have completed their five-year undergraduate course.\"

Do they actually get to spend a term at Imperial College, as 'advertised'?

if the NTU Lee Kong Chian medicine programme expose the undergraduates to overseas stint, then NTU exposure would be more valuable.

[sharonkhoo]

Zeit:

Do they actually get to spend a term at Imperial College, as 'advertised'?

Not sure if all do, but as I said, at least one is getting some time there, though I don't know the duration. His mother told me that she's visiting him there later this year.

[phtthp]

petitemum:

T compare YLL and LKC, in the case of ds 2 years back, we considered the following:


1. fees and bursaries- LKC is way more expensive than YLL but it provides more bursaries than YLL.

2.distance- YLL is nearer and more convenient.

3. hostel- LKC students are encouraged to stay in the hostel.

4.teaching style-YLL adopts traditional lectures and tutorial style while LKC adopts team based learning.

5.male and female ratio: yes, we actually considered this.
YLL has more girls while LKC has many more boys.

6. track record- no doubt YLL has a long history, but the Imperial College London has a long history too and has a worldwide reputation. LKC MBBS cert would bear both NTU and Imperial logo, if it matters.

7.professors- LKC has strong team support from London. There are professors from India too.

heard YLL prefer to select boys over girls : as some girls became homemaker after give birth to kids, whereas men are breadwinner of the family.

[TTC]

Zeit:

Note that the increase in no of med places in both med schools (YLL, LKC) has to do with our ageing population, i.e. an increased need for clinical manpower in the fields of family medicine, geriatric medicine, internal medicine, palliative care, etc.


MOH has called for more doctors with “broad and general professional capabilities” to serve an ageing Singapore, and the deans of 3 med schools (incl Duke) have stressed the importance of training more \"generalist\" doctors.

More 'generalists' are expected to be churned from future pools, cos we appear to have too many 'specialist' doctors. 'Generalists' are needed to provide holistic treatment to elderly patients with multiple health issues, so junior doctors do take note of that career track.
[quote]Steps have already been taken to encourage more young doctors to become generalists. This year, one in five residency places offered was for family medicine, advanced internal medicine or geriatrics, according to MOH.

This is an increase from 2013, when the number of residency openings in these specialities made up only 12 per cent of the total.

Doctors in these disciplines are considered generalists because they do not focus on a single organ or body part. Their emphasis is on treating patients as a whole

[quote]Young doctors were also urged not to be in medicine for \"prestige, financial rewards or fame\" and \"not seek to be a super-specialist when there is limited demand... or choose a speciality primarily because it gives us a good work-life balance\".

Prof Chen yesterday acknowledged that \"many doctors who enter medical school are actually ambitious. They want to do prestigious disciplines... The need currently is that of general medical care. [/quote]https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/moh-reviews-doctors-training-to-become-specialists

https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/all-students-of-nus-medical-school-get-geriatrics-training

https://www.straitstimes.com/opinion/too-many-specialist-doctors-and-too-few-who-can-see-the-big-picture

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/big-read-specialists-or-gps-training-review-get-mix-right-just-what-doctor-ordered[/quote]This is very true. An insider told me that MOH will be very restrictive in granting specialist license from now on. They want new doctors to take care of the old folks instead in mainly public hospitals.
This batch will finish their 11 years in 2030, just in time to catch the 1 in 3 above 65 yrs old boom. In the bond, MOH statea that it has every right to deploy you anywhere they need. Those who are motivated by money and good work life balance by becoming a specialist may be disappointed later. Told DS to think carefully.

[Blockbuster888]

What is the success rate of appeal to get into dentistry course? What is the reason that unsuccessful candidate cannot re-apply for dentistry course again? How about medicine? Thanks.

[ycpang]

ycpang:

Samuel002:

[quote=\"ycpang\"]Ok just trying to make some assumptions:


NTU has 138 vacancies. Assuming 50% of them have double offers from both NTU and NUS = 70.

Therefore there will be 70 slots available for those on waitlist. Sounds logical?

Purely statistic:
NUS selects 322 out of 980. Chances is 33%
NTU selects 138 out of 398. Chances is 34%
Both schools combined: 460 out of 980 ( very likely those 398 applied for NTU also applied for NUS). So chances is 47% if the student applied for both schools.
Round 1 - about 33% got offered based on individual school. There is a balance of 14% slots to be filled in round 2.
14% out of 460 = 65 slots available on waitlist. This is close to 70 slots as per my earlier estimation. In fact, if dentistry is included ( since those who applied dentistry are likely to apply to med as well), the chances of one gets into one of the three faculties is about 50%.[/quote]More analysis:
My guess is that out of the 70 slots for round 2, 50 slots will be available from NTU and 20 from NUS.
Only NTU will know how long is their waitlist but if I were NTU, I will put 50% of the cohort size (70) to a max. of 100 on waitlist. Based on these assumptions, the success rate for those on waitlist will then be 50% (50/100) to 71% (50/70) for NTU.
For NUS, the success rate calculation will then be 20/(980-302-138) = 3.7%~5%.
All the best to those who are waiting.

[Zeit]

TTC:

This is very true. An insider told me that MOH will be very restrictive in granting specialist license from now on. They want new doctors to take care of the old folks instead in mainly public hospitals.

This batch will finish their 11 years in 2030, just in time to catch the 1 in 3 above 65 yrs old boom. In the bond, MOH statea that it has every right to deploy you anywhere they need. Those who are motivated by money and good work life balance by becoming a specialist may be disappointed later. Told DS to think carefully.

No need insider info actually. It's shared in Parliament recently:) 900,000 senior citizens in 2030. You cannot get senior citizens to hop from specialists to specialists.

https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/Parliamentary_QA/2017/doctors-in-singapore.html
[quote]With an ageing population, the type of disciplines in demand will shift towards the more generalist disciplines, such as Family Medicine, Internal Medicine and Geriatric Medicine. MOH has shared with medical students and junior doctors through dialogue sessions and medical residency briefing sessions on this shift. We will continue to raise awareness of the changing postgraduate training needs amongst junior doctors and medical students.[/quote]https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/Parliamentary_QA/2017/supporting-and-promoting-generalist-medicine.html

https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/Parliamentary_QA/2017/strengthening-physicians-fro-generalist-roles.html

But that said, it's not that specialist training/placements will vanish overnight. The sector will still need specialists (esp for med tourism); just that over the past 7 years, too many specialists have been churned out under that fast-track residency program as mentioned by Chee Hong Tat All my doc friends and cousins are specialists. Only 1 relative in geriatric med which can get rather mundane attending to the elderly in community hospitals (psst, this is one who's still single).

Those friends of mine earning big money in pte clinics are all 2-Gen docs, meaning their parent(s) are also docs who had paved the way for them. You need good connections. Otherwise, you'll just be a registrar, or if good / patient enough, a consultant/senior consultant seeing patients in public hospitals on shifts.

Med course is an arduous journey. You'll need to keep studying and taking tough tests. Pittance at first, but if you get into the 'right' track, you shall taste the reward a decade or more later. And this profession is recession-proof. Just saying...