Me Time!
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Reading the HCI mobile phone makes me glad that I did not give in to ah boy’s request for a data plan phone subscription.
When I take the morning bus to go to n return from the market, I see many Bt Timah schools students playing games on the mobile phone. -
Jennifer:
HCI is bold to implement such. I wonder why pri sch kids need a smartphone.Reading the HCI mobile phone makes me glad that I did not give in to ah boy's request for a data plan phone subscription.
When I take the morning bus to go to n return from the market, I see many Bt Timah schools students playing games on the mobile phone. -
starlight1968sg:
It's more that kids do need a phone for contacting parents (school timings and CCAs etc can be quite erratic, for safety as they move around etc, and public phones are hard to find), and nowadays, they are all smartphones. But like Jennifer, I didn't get a data plan for my kids.
HCI is bold to implement such. I wonder why pri sch kids need a smartphone.Jennifer:
Reading the HCI mobile phone makes me glad that I did not give in to ah boy's request for a data plan phone subscription.
When I take the morning bus to go to n return from the market, I see many Bt Timah schools students playing games on the mobile phone.
Most pr schools don't allow the phones to be used during the schoolday, I think. It's harder to implement that for sec school as it is useful for kids to be able to go online to check things sometimes. Parents can refuse to let kids have data plans, and inculcate habits at home such as not always using the phone every spare moment. -
During the olden days, there were no hp and we were ok.
The hp offers convenience but with a price. -
starlight1968sg:
I had my mobile phone when I was 21.During the olden days, there were no hp and we were ok.
The hp offers convenience but with a price.
my daughter had a mobile phone when she was 9...because her school was at a temporary holding place and it was chaotic after school.
so I gave her an old one to be able to reach her. when 2G was terminated, I had to upgrade her to a smart phone on the condition that she cannot play or touch her mobile phone until homework is completed. -
Students need to be taught how to handle devices given to their hands. The maturity of kids to handle is ano issue.
We rather pay abit more for separate SIM card than to tag plans that seemed like slot of savings, but if my kids gonna enjoy unlimited use & loose self-control, then no. I'll wait ano few years to get them data plan.
Kids are smarter & more creative than our generation. I wld prefer if schools send instructions & work thro emails. Kids hv been using all excuses to check with seniors, teachers, classmates abt hmwk, proj, meetings, etc. I rmbr DS was getting like >800 WhatsApp msgs in just one afternn beginning of sec sch life, but after nagging there were no sounds. Why? He went underground - put on silent/vibration mode. The sch implements no hp during lesson time but sure, boys can put hp under desk, covered with a book to text & game. We found that with the hp, kids can practically spend whole of break time on devices rather than eat their meals (some parents too pics during recess as prove to sch).
It's not just the hp. Kids uses desktop for WhatsApping too! Gaming on desktop. One FTWM had to drive home to collect & lock up all her 5 kids hp when hubby on bz trips. She tracked them using Qustido but kids learned fast enuf to disappear fr tracking.
Here are issues & dangers as parents we'll be concerned :-
1. Habits of indulgence
2. Self-control
3. Leading all to addiction
4. Gaming
5. Access to pornography
6. Easy access for kids to start BGR too early via FB, Instagram, .... (many kids searched out cute guys/gals thro social media & friend others. One chap got stalked & somehow got hold of his number & when ignored, she posted his hp no. & was harassed by many more strangers thus affecting his emotions & exams).
7. Use of WhatsApp, & Social Media shows how lack of emotional resilience this generation of kids are and I'm concern how they'll lack the ability to socialize face-to-face & talk heart-to-heart . Imagine my kids go partor & need the hp & just msg whatever they want to say via hp, like they've lost their voicebox! Physically there for each other but emotionally & spiritually absent! :siao:
It's a society with growing need for instant gratification. Even now, I'm conscious that I shld do less KSP msg & call my niece to cheer her on towards PSLE. But those in Australia, M'sia UK & US with time zone differences?
It's not easy. I'll just hv to be mindful when kids are ard to touch my hp less. :gloomy: For the sake of good modeling.
I wonder how many schools will do what HCI did. Firstly, such action limits Parents ability to contact students or vice-versa when there is need for after-sch arrgmts. So, if a student is found using during those hours, what's the recourse? Punishment? DS sch make the guys write Reflections. (They created some templates to pass ard
) I'm sure parents do not want punishment that hurt or shame their kids. So, how effective can policing be in school?
Secondly, whose responsibility is it to control kids use of devices? The sch or the parent?
Finally, we still hv to wait out the time for maturity & spend effort to teach, to counsel & to correct. As parents, we'll shudder to see our kids addicted, spend less time in studies, fail tests/exams ... we'll still be the ones reminding them to stop after hours of head dipping, & we'll be the ones comforting them when they fail, then providing the support to redirect their path (or for some push them for more tuitioning).
I choose to volunteer my time to teach the kids to communicate succinctly & watch their affair with their gadgets. It's abt self-control & it's not just abt hp/gadgets. It'll be deeper than that when the youth turns into adulthood. The world is full of temptations - wine, women, casinos, branded clothes/bags (Imelda stuck on my mind), .... the list goes on. A man without self-control is doom to ruins! A woman without self-control will ruin the man! :rotflmao:
It's a long process but kids hv to grow, to learn, to find their footing & develop good self-management skills. We can't hurry the struggling butterfly on its way to fly out of cocoon but we can feed the caterpillar loads!
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janet88:
We can't compare purely by age - mobile phones didn't exist when I was in school! I got my first hp (a brick) when I was 35!
I had my mobile phone when I was 21.starlight1968sg:
During the olden days, there were no hp and we were ok.
The hp offers convenience but with a price.
my daughter had a mobile phone when she was 9...because her school was at a temporary holding place and it was chaotic after school.
so I gave her an old one to be able to reach her. when 2G was terminated, I had to upgrade her to a smart phone on the condition that she cannot play or touch her mobile phone until homework is completed.
But, like janet, parents need to set clear rules and enforce them when kids get phones (or any other privileges, for that matter).
What I find strange is that many parents I've spoken to assume that once a child has a phone, he has to be given access to a data plan, and that parents have little (or no) control over the phone's use. It doesn't have to be that way. -
Estéema:
Students need to be taught how to handle devices given to their hands. The maturity of kids to handle is ano issue.
We rather pay abit more for separate SIM card than to tag plans that seemed like slot of savings, but if my kids gonna enjoy unlimited use & loose self-control, then no. I'll wait ano few years to get them data plan.
Kids are smarter & more creative than our generation. I wld prefer if schools send instructions & work thro emails. Kids hv been using all excuses to check with seniors, teachers, classmates abt hmwk, proj, meetings, etc. I rmbr DS was getting like >800 WhatsApp msgs in just one afternn beginning of sec sch life, but after nagging there were no sounds. Why? He went underground - put on silent/vibration mode. The sch implements no hp during lesson time but sure, boys can put hp under desk, covered with a book to text & game. We found that with the hp, kids can practically spend whole of break time on devices rather than eat their meals (some parents too pics during recess as prove to sch).
It's not just the hp. Kids uses desktop for WhatsApping too! Gaming on desktop. One FTWM had to drive home to collect & lock up all her 5 kids hp when hubby on bz trips. She tracked them using Qustido but kids learned fast enuf to disappear fr tracking.
Here are issues & dangers as parents we'll be concerned :-
1. Habits of indulgence
2. Self-control
3. Leading all to addiction
4. Gaming
5. Access to pornography
6. Easy access for kids to start BGR too early via FB, Instagram, .... (many kids searched out cute guys/gals thro social media & friend others. One chap got stalked & somehow got hold of his number & when ignored, she posted his hp no. & was harassed by many more strangers thus affecting his emotions & exams).
7. Use of WhatsApp, & Social Media shows how lack of emotional resilience this generation of kids are and I'm concern how they'll lack the ability to socialize face-to-face & talk heart-to-heart . Imagine my kids go partor & need the hp & just msg whatever they want to say via hp, like they've lost their voicebox! Physically there for each other but emotionally & spiritually absent! :siao:
It's a society with growing need for instant gratification. Even now, I'm conscious that I shld do less KSP msg & call my niece to cheer her on towards PSLE. But those in Australia, M'sia UK & US with time zone differences?
It's not easy. I'll just hv to be mindful when kids are ard to touch my hp less. :gloomy: For the sake of good modeling.
I wonder how many schools will do what HCI did. Firstly, such action limits Parents ability to contact students or vice-versa when there is need for after-sch arrgmts. So, if a student is found using during those hours, what's the recourse? Punishment? DS sch make the guys write Reflections. (They created some templates to pass ard ) I'm sure parents do not want punishment that hurt or shame their kids. So, how effective can policing be in school?
Secondly, whose responsibility is it to control kids use of devices? The sch or the parent?
Finally, we still hv to wait out the time for maturity & spend effort to teach, to counsel & to correct. As parents, we'll shudder to see our kids addicted, spend less time in studies, fail tests/exams ... we'll still be the ones reminding them to stop after hours of head dipping, & we'll be the ones comforting them when they fail, then providing the support to redirect their path (or for some push them for more tuitioning).
I choose to volunteer my time to teach the kids to communicate succinctly & watch their affair with their gadgets. It's abt self-control & it's not just abt hp/gadgets. It'll be deeper than that when the youth turns into adulthood. The world is full of temptations - wine, women, casinos, branded clothes/bags (Imelda stuck on my mind), .... the list goes on. A man without self-control is doom to ruins! A woman without self-control will ruin the man! :rotflmao:
It's a long process but kids hv to grow, to learn, to find their footing & develop good self-management skills. We can't hurry the struggling butterfly on its way to fly out of cocoon but we can feed the caterpillar loads! funny la the self ctr on man and woman.
true, I need to self ctr on using hp in front of kids too. -
slmkhoo:
We can't compare purely by age - mobile phones didn't exist when I was in school! I got my first hp (a brick) when I was 35!
I had my mobile phone when I was 21.janet88:
[quote=\"starlight1968sg\"]During the olden days, there were no hp and we were ok.
The hp offers convenience but with a price.
my daughter had a mobile phone when she was 9...because her school was at a temporary holding place and it was chaotic after school.
so I gave her an old one to be able to reach her. when 2G was terminated, I had to upgrade her to a smart phone on the condition that she cannot play or touch her mobile phone until homework is completed.
But, like janet, parents need to set clear rules and enforce them when kids get phones (or any other privileges, for that matter).
What I find strange is that many parents I've spoken to assume that once a child has a phone, he has to be given access to a data plan, and that parents have little (or no) control over the phone's use. It doesn't have to be that way.[/quote]
slmkhoo,
Agree with you that parents have to set clear rules & limits & enforce them well.
We cannot pass on the responsibilities to school, altho we hope the educators can hv a set of rules to limit usage & similarly enforce. Not suggesting we go back to no hp or technology days.
DH is more lax with kids. I'll watch their time spent, but when time to put away (e.g. By 9.30pm DH suppose to be the one keeping), so DC will put on the table. Minutes later when DH doing his work, DC quietly sneak away & use again. I was watching, but u know, as mums, we multi-task. I can be packing up my stuff, I'll notice every small movements. I saw DH eyes was turning towards DC but he didn't issue any warning. After a couple of chats abt enforcement, DH now hv a hang abt how I am firm & quick in arresting a bad habit before kids get a leeway.
We put kids work areas in a quiet corner of living area (within clear sight) - we call it the study corner. Charging stations all at living room. No data plan. Individual SIM card to be topped up on regular basis. All hp kept out of sight by 9.30pm & collected next morning fr 6am. Allow wifi access only when hmwk need research & googling for info (usually I delay this gratification - wait for dad's wifi when he returns u can go online so meantime do written work, planning, studying work. Once in a while, when it's closing deadline, I open up my wifi for early completion of hmwk.
It's alr not easy btwn parents to work parenting rules out. Can we expect this fr sch? Teachers hv to teach & guide our kids academically, and we're imposing time on them to police our kids. We'll hope most parents hv well behaved kids to minimize need for lesson-time to be wasted on lecturing on 自我控制. So, as parents, we guide at home & work with school for special assembly talks or workshops on device usage. I know not all schools hv strong PSG nor there be many parents having spare hours.
Still good to collaborate so tt young ones hv good rules & limits to work by. -
My simple rule- 不要做坏事
Types of temptations vary at different stages of life. I can’t cover all grounds at all times. I can only inculcate the general guideline.
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