Nanyang Girls' High School [*IP]
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phtthp:
NYGH former principal was very open in encouraging students from neighborhood schools to apply for DSA, to extend of saying that neighborhood students will get higher priority. So in NYGH DSA selection, if there are 2 students of roughly equal caliber, the student from neighborhood school will stand a higher chance than the other student from well known primary school.After end of P5 SA1 -
how do NYGH start cherry pick so many tens of Top girls, from 100+ primary schools all over Singapore island, to DSA ?
Is it after being invited to attend some P5 event arranged by NYGH, they sieve out the better quality ones, re-invite these better P5 students to come back next year again in P6, for the actual DSA interview, before Psle ?
Meanwhile, for the not-so-good P5 ones which they had already identified from the event attended, they won't re-invite them back anymore, next year P6 ?
Words get around, and many of neighborhood top girls applied. Without DSA, many of these top girls from neighborhood primary schools would have chosen other schools (like Cedar, SNGS etc) during S1 posting, because their classmates are going there. As for the SAP primary schools' students who did not succeed in DSA to NYGH, they will still choose NYGH if they meet the PSLE cut off since their parents insisted so.
This, I think is the shrewd strategy of the former principal that partly propelled the school to the top (given that NYGH was consistently below RGS, RI and HCI just a decade ago). Of course with DSA much reduced since last year, this strategy will no longer work for other schools if they choose to emulate it. -
Harrychew:
Very smart move indeed to attract top gals in other school to join NYGH.
NYGH former principal was very open in encouraging students from neighborhood schools to apply for DSA, to extend of saying that neighborhood students will get higher priority. So in NYGH DSA selection, if there are 2 students of roughly equal caliber, the student from neighborhood school will stand a higher chance than the other student from well known primary school.
Words get around, and many of neighborhood top girls applied. Without DSA, many of these top girls from neighborhood primary schools would have chosen other schools (like Cedar, SNGS etc) during S1 posting, because their classmates are going there. As for the SAP primary schools' students who did not succeed in DSA to NYGH, they will still choose NYGH if they meet the PSLE cut off since their parents insisted so.
This, I think is the shrewd strategy of the former principal that partly propelled the school to the top (given that NYGH was consistently below RGS, RI and HCI just a decade ago). Of course with DSA much reduced since last year, this strategy will no longer work for other schools if they choose to emulate it.
Very true....afterall that NYPS gals who did not make the cut for DSA will eventually go to NYGH by using the PSLE cut-off points. -
Harrychew:
NYGH former principal was very open in encouraging students from neighborhood schools to apply for DSA, to extend of saying that neighborhood students will get higher priority. So in NYGH DSA selection, if there are 2 students of roughly equal caliber, the student from neighborhood school will stand a higher chance than the other student from well known primary school.phtthp:
After end of P5 SA1 -
how do NYGH start cherry pick so many tens of Top girls, from 100+ primary schools all over Singapore island, to DSA ?
Is it after being invited to attend some P5 event arranged by NYGH, they sieve out the better quality ones, re-invite these better P5 students to come back next year again in P6, for the actual DSA interview, before Psle ?
Meanwhile, for the not-so-good P5 ones which they had already identified from the event attended, they won't re-invite them back anymore, next year P6 ?
Words get around, and many of neighborhood top girls applied. Without DSA, many of these top girls from neighborhood primary schools would have chosen other schools (like Cedar, SNGS etc) during S1 posting, because their classmates are going there. As for the SAP primary schools' students who did not succeed in DSA to NYGH, they will still choose NYGH if they meet the PSLE cut off since their parents insisted so.
This, I think is the shrewd strategy of the former principal that partly propelled the school to the top (given that NYGH was consistently below RGS, RI and HCI just a decade ago).
Of course with DSA much reduced since last year, this strategy will no longer work for other schools if they choose to emulate it.
:thankyou: very much, Harry, for your patience, in providing the detailed explaination behind.
Yes, i agree with you that it is indeed a well-planned, brillant strategy executed (designed) by the ex (former) Principal : by going all out to try to lure (entice) Top P5 level cohort students across whole of Sg, by taking the initiative to first reach out to these P5 students quickly, through special invitation extended warmly (place a personal touch) , by going through (via ) individual neighbourhood Principal(s) of hundreds of primary schools in Sg at P5 level first, after P5 SA1 exam is over.
NYGH aims to build diversity -
Ganjiongspider:
Agree. I find it hilarious that local kiasu parents are calling the kettle black. Anyway the PRC kids get into top secondary schools on their own merit, unlike the enrollment of choice primary schools which is largely dominated by alumni, grassroots and PV.We can't blame the PRC for being more kiasu than us S'porean. In fact, it is their culture and values to be resilient and be on top. When my dd was in P1, I was very happy and contended when she scored 93 for Math. One of dd's classmate's PRC father asked how much my dd scored. I told him her results. He shook his head that his son scored very bad, very bad for his Math. I thought...ok...guess what? My dd told me he was the highest in whole cohort - 99 out of 100! Just 1 mark away from full marks considered very very bad. I cannot...
Then over the years when I chanced upon those PRC parents who lamented their child scored very badly, I always shook my head...Their scoring very bad is not our range of 70-80s, is 99.9%, very very bad for not scoring perfect results.
I really 佩服 both the PRC parents & the dc. It is their China's cultures for being at the TOP. Last nite I chanced upon youtube about China one of the sports school, whereby over a large number of kids send for Olympic training at the the age of 6 or younger for few years, and only 1 or 2 cherry pick by coach to send them for Olympic competition. Their training were considered abusing but yet the kids are so enthu, so willing to get \"tortured\", just to be on the top.
Hence, I believe it is the culture of most PRC to be so hardworking among us not only when they are in our country. So, actually I really salute to them. Only the BEST survive in our cut-throat society.
If anything, I much prefer my kid to study and make friends with hardworking students, instead of students who got in because of their \"aboriginal status\" or because their parents are alumni. -
Harrychew:
When China students in China prepare their \"gao kao\" each year, to enter Top university like Qing Hwa da xue -
Agree. I find it hilarious that local kiasu parents are calling the kettle black. Anyway the PRC kids get into top secondary schools on their own merit, unlike the enrollment of choice primary schools which is largely dominated by alumni, grassroots and PV.Ganjiongspider:
We can't blame the PRC for being more kiasu than us S'porean. In fact, it is their culture and values to be resilient and be on top. When my dd was in P1, I was very happy and contended when she scored 93 for Math. One of dd's classmate's PRC father asked how much my dd scored. I told him her results. He shook his head that his son scored very bad, very bad for his Math. I thought...ok...guess what? My dd told me he was the highest in whole cohort - 99 out of 100! Just 1 mark away from full marks considered very very bad. I cannot...
Then over the years when I chanced upon those PRC parents who lamented their child scored very badly, I always shook my head...Their scoring very bad is not our range of 70-80s, is 99.9%, very very bad for not scoring perfect results.
I really 佩服 both the PRC parents & the dc. It is their China's cultures for being at the TOP. Last nite I chanced upon youtube about China one of the sports school, whereby over a large number of kids send for Olympic training at the the age of 6 or younger for few years, and only 1 or 2 cherry pick by coach to send them for Olympic competition. Their training were considered abusing but yet the kids are so enthu, so willing to get \"tortured\", just to be on the top.
Hence, I believe it is the culture of most PRC to be so hardworking among us not only when they are in our country. So, actually I really salute to them. Only the BEST survive in our cut-throat society.
If anything, I much prefer my kid to study and make friends with hardworking students, instead of students who got in because of their \"aboriginal status\" or because their parents are alumni.
only a small percentage managed to enter their Top university there. From young, China students are trained to very disciplined, very hardworking. We should learn from them their \"qing feng, ke ku nai nao\" attitude -
I do not think NYGH invite specific girls to their camp in p5. Rather, they extend a number of invitations to specific primary schools… and it is the primary school principals/ Teachers who then cherry pick who get to go. Many times, it is unknown who the principal/ Teachers choose these students. Prefects? Geppers?
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Harrychew:
Harry and Ganjiong, both of you are NY parents right? We are talking about the cultural differences here lah, not saying that NY is not a good school.
Agree. I find it hilarious that local kiasu parents are calling the kettle black. Anyway the PRC kids get into top secondary schools on their own merit, unlike the enrollment of choice primary schools which is largely dominated by alumni, grassroots and PV.
If anything, I much prefer my kid to study and make friends with hardworking students, instead of students who got in because of their \"aboriginal status\" or because their parents are alumni.
If my DD2 makes the cut and wants to join NYGH, then by all means go as NYGH is a very good school. There’s no need to be in awe of PRCs. My DH did his post grad studies in 北大 and we stayed in Beijing for some time. Through my interactions with them, I view them as equals and never 把中国人当神来拜！
Btw, nothing wrong for parents to follow the MOE rules to do 2 years of PV to exchange for a chance to ballot for a school of their choice. Singaporean kids deserve the priority (over foreigners and PRs) during P1 registration by virtue of their sunken roots here. The same logic is universal and applied in all countries -
Not all PRC or Ex China citizen are the high talent kind. In my younger child MOE Kindergarten, there are a number of them. Most of their parents can’t speak or even understand English. I can see the frustration on the teacher’s face when they have problem communicating with them on the child’s issues.
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lee_yl:
I don't worship PRC, neither do I hate them as individuals (as a country, PRC is a huge problem, but that's another issue). What I find objectionable is the word \"bitch\" being used to categorize PRC in Singapore ... as if locals are all saints and angels. There are no lack of nasty Singaporeans around, like that rich auntie who recently got hauled to court for using her sports car to block orchard road, or locals who are just as vicious in office politics.
Harry and Ganjiong, both of you are NY parents right? We are talking about the cultural differences here lah, not saying that NY is not a good school.Harrychew:
Agree. I find it hilarious that local kiasu parents are calling the kettle black. Anyway the PRC kids get into top secondary schools on their own merit, unlike the enrollment of choice primary schools which is largely dominated by alumni, grassroots and PV.
If anything, I much prefer my kid to study and make friends with hardworking students, instead of students who got in because of their \"aboriginal status\" or because their parents are alumni.
If my DD2 makes the cut and wants to join NYGH, then by all means go as NYGH is a very good school. There’s no need to be in awe of PRCs. My DH did his post grad studies in 北大 and we stayed in Beijing for some time. Through my interactions with them, I view them as equals and never 把中国人当神来拜！
Btw, nothing wrong for parents to follow the MOE rules to do 2 years of PV to exchange for a chance to ballot for a school of their choice. Singaporean kids deserve the priority (over foreigners and PRs) during P1 registration by virtue of their sunken roots here. The same logic is universal and applied in all countries
There seem to be a hidden agenda to ostracize and maybe reduce the number of smart and hardworking foreign students and kids of 1st generation PR/citizens from top schools, so that the \"aboriginals\" can have a better chance. If ever MOE bend to the will of these \"aboriginals\", NYGH will cease to be a renowned top high schools in Asia.
I disagree with alumni, grassroots and PV getting priority into primary schools. Primary school enrollment should be prioritized according to nationality and home distance to school only. It is a complete joke that only around 20 slots are left for Phase 2C for the likes of NYPS and Henry Park. In giving so much priority to alumni, grassroots and PV, where do the rest of Singaporeans stand? The current primary school enrollment is a complete disgrace to the ethos of Singapore, particularly so because most of popular primary schools have massive discount to gain entry into the popular high schools. Perhaps the solution is to completely remove the affiliation discount to enroll into high schools. -
lee_yl:
lee_yl,
Harry and Ganjiong, both of you are NY parents right? We are talking about the cultural differences here lah, not saying that NY is not a good school.Harrychew:
Agree. I find it hilarious that local kiasu parents are calling the kettle black. Anyway the PRC kids get into top secondary schools on their own merit, unlike the enrollment of choice primary schools which is largely dominated by alumni, grassroots and PV.
If anything, I much prefer my kid to study and make friends with hardworking students, instead of students who got in because of their \"aboriginal status\" or because their parents are alumni.
If my DD2 makes the cut and wants to join NYGH, then by all means go as NYGH is a very good school. There’s no need to be in awe of PRCs. My DH did his post grad studies in 北大 and we stayed in Beijing for some time. Through my interactions with them, I view them as equals and never 把中国人当神来拜！
Btw, nothing wrong for parents to follow the MOE rules to do 2 years of PV to exchange for a chance to ballot for a school of their choice. Singaporean kids deserve the priority (over foreigners and PRs) during P1 registration by virtue of their sunken roots here. The same logic is universal and applied in all countries
Yup! I'm also talking about the PRC cultures too. That's why I say the difference between Singaporean & PRC's study attitudes.
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