Compare RGS vs NYGH
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Yes. Considering between 2 offers
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Though starting from page 1 up to current page, many parents had already stated (given) the differences between these 2 schools, right ?
Suggest that u read from page 1, again -
phtthp:
Haha!Though starting from page 1 up to current page, many parents had already stated (given) the differences between these 2 schools, right ?
Suggest that u read from page 1, again
Raintown Girl... it is worth witting down with your girl and go through several main questions.
(1) Distance - Which is nearer? (very important as it is 6 years of travelling. Remember RGS will be moving soon)
(2) CCA - If DD DSA via CCA, then is ok. If via academics, ask if which schools have the CCA that she like?
(3) The culture - which one is more comfortable to your DD
(4) Others? -
Oh My Gosh:
Thanks for your replies! I’ve read quite a lot of the previous 2 years’ comments in this thread. And my girl had checked with her seniors in both schools. I’m just wondering more about the new nygh principal of whom we have not heard much about. And it seems like Nygh is more academic focused.
Haha!phtthp:
Though starting from page 1 up to current page, many parents had already stated (given) the differences between these 2 schools, right ?
Suggest that u read from page 1, again
Raintown Girl... it is worth witting down with your girl and go through several main questions.
(1) Distance - Which is nearer? (very important as it is 6 years of travelling. Remember RGS will be moving soon)
(2) CCA - If DD DSA via CCA, then is ok. If via academics, ask if which schools have the CCA that she like?
(3) The culture - which one is more comfortable to your DD
(4) Others? -
Following … will start reading from Page1 …never read so much in a month since I join ksp forum. Always on screen… worse than my kids…hehehe…
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mommyNg:
This post is so informative. Thanks. Out of curiosity, do you happen to know the diff between RI’s & HCI’s promotion criteria too?
Perhaps, if your end goal is to have a \"safety net\" to stay in the secondary school for the whole 4 years. If your end goal is to end up in the respective IP JCs, here's the analysis based on personal stories, experiences and school P's sharing:phtthp:
correct.
Compare these two IP Girls' schools : Nanyang Girls' High is a much, safer IP school to go to, due to existence of an O-level track to fall back upon, during emergency crisis.
At RGS, if unable to meet promotion criteria up into Year 5 (RI), can repeat one year or else exit.
Approximate number of students not able to move to their respective IP JCs (NYGH -> HCI, RGS -> RI) per cohort each year:
NYGH- 23-25 (O level class) + 0-2 (exit/repeat) + 10-15 (Sec 4 IP fail to meet promotion criteria to HCI) = 33-42
RGS- 0-2 (exit/repeat)
Note1 on promotion criteria:
NYGH - to remain IP for Sec 1 to 3 = 60-64 (msg4); for Sec 4 to JC = 65-69 (msg3); the best L1R5 O level score from 2016 O level class was 15 (before discount from HCL/CCA)
RGS - for Sec 1-4 to JC = 50 (GPA 2.0)
Note2 on subject selection:
NYGH - to do triple science in Sec 3, need min 65-70 in Sec 2 (msg3); to continue to take at least 2 sciences in Sec 4, need min 60-64 in Sec 3 (msg4) otherwise can only take 1 science (chemistry)
RGS - no requirement, free to chooose as long as pass (50)
Both schools can be highly stressful: NYGH -> worry about whether able to meet min msg every year, RGS -> worry about whether able to cope in JC? How do the IP girls perform at A levels?
One should consider the fit of the child with the school's programmes and culture when choosing Sec schools, rather than the perception of how \"safe\" the schools seems to be
*caveat: the above numbers were as accurate as what was known at the time I heard it, the actual numbers may vary and change depending on cohort and/or new school policies. So don't :torchme: me for it! -
mommyNg:
wah ! Now we understand why there is such a big difference in the numbers, between RGS vs. NYGH ( IP).here's the analysis based on personal stories, experiences and school P's sharing:
Approximate number of students not able to move to their respective IP JCs (NYGH -> HCI, RGS -> RI) per cohort each year:
NYGH- 23-25 (O level class) + 0-2 (exit/repeat) + 10-15 (Sec 4 IP fail to meet promotion criteria to HCI) = 33-42
RGS- 0-2 (exit/repeat)
Note1 on promotion criteria:
NYGH - to remain IP for Sec 1 to 3 = 60-64 (msg4); for Sec 4 to JC = 65-69 (msg3); the best L1R5 O level score from 2016 O level class was 15 (before discount from HCL/CCA)
RGS - for Sec 1-4 to JC = 50 (GPA 2.0)
Note2 on subject selection:
NYGH - to do triple science in Sec 3, need min 65-70 in Sec 2 (msg3); to continue to take at least 2 sciences in Sec 4, need min 60-64 in Sec 3 (msg4) otherwise can only take 1 science (chemistry)
RGS - no requirement, free to chooose as long as pass (50)
Both schools can be highly stressful: NYGH -> worry about whether able to meet min msg every year, RGS -> worry about whether able to cope in JC? How do the IP girls perform at A levels?
One should consider the fit of the child with the school's programmes and culture when choosing Sec schools, rather than the perception of how \"safe\" the schools seems to be
!
I feel that the Promotional criteria for NYGH (at end of Year 1 to Year 4), is too strict, demanding.
60 to 65 marks required (Y1 to Y4), and 65 to 70 marks required at end of Y4, are challenging, tall order ! If u mention 60 marks required for Promotional clearance, 60 is still ok, reasonable, acceptable, because we are talking about Secondary level, in IP program, with 8 to 10 subjects to manage, if include AEP / MEP / 3rd foreign language .
For RGS girls who failed Y4 (IP) Promotional exam, do they get \"auto-pushed\" up, into RI JC (1) ?
What is year-end Promotional criteria like, for RI (JC1) students moving up into RI (JC2) ? Is it very tough ?
How is Hwa Chong year-end Promotional criteria like, for Hwa Chong (JC1) pupils, moving up into Hwa Chong (JC2) ? Even more demanding, than that of RI ?
mommyNg, you are right ! I take back my words earlier that, safer to choose NYGH because of the presence of on-demand O-level track, to fall back upon. With such demanding Promotional criteria, from Y1 to Y4 (IP) in NYGH : not safe. In fact, after you showed us the figures, scary. But we truly appreciated the figures & your effort, which u had shown us. Now, we understand why it is so stressful, studying inside the Big 5 (plus NUS High, included too)
Actually, studying in an IP school is stressful, no matter which IP school one join. But this NYGH, exceptionally stressful, because every year, at the back of your mind, one can't help but keep wondering, \"Am I going to clear this year's IP Promotional exam ? \" ... -
phtthp:
Just for info, there is strictly no bargaining if the girl can't meet the promotion criteria in NYGH ...
wah ! Now we understand why there is such a big difference in the numbers, between RGS vs. NYGH ( IP).mommyNg:
here's the analysis based on personal stories, experiences and school P's sharing:
Approximate number of students not able to move to their respective IP JCs (NYGH -> HCI, RGS -> RI) per cohort each year:
NYGH- 23-25 (O level class) + 0-2 (exit/repeat) + 10-15 (Sec 4 IP fail to meet promotion criteria to HCI) = 33-42
RGS- 0-2 (exit/repeat)
Note1 on promotion criteria:
NYGH - to remain IP for Sec 1 to 3 = 60-64 (msg4); for Sec 4 to JC = 65-69 (msg3); the best L1R5 O level score from 2016 O level class was 15 (before discount from HCL/CCA)
RGS - for Sec 1-4 to JC = 50 (GPA 2.0)
Note2 on subject selection:
NYGH - to do triple science in Sec 3, need min 65-70 in Sec 2 (msg3); to continue to take at least 2 sciences in Sec 4, need min 60-64 in Sec 3 (msg4) otherwise can only take 1 science (chemistry)
RGS - no requirement, free to chooose as long as pass (50)
Both schools can be highly stressful: NYGH -> worry about whether able to meet min msg every year, RGS -> worry about whether able to cope in JC? How do the IP girls perform at A levels?
One should consider the fit of the child with the school's programmes and culture when choosing Sec schools, rather than the perception of how \"safe\" the schools seems to be
!
I feel that the Promotional criteria for NYGH (at end of Year 1 to Year 4), is too strict, demanding.
60 to 65 marks required (Y1 to Y4), and 65 to 70 marks required at end of Y4, are challenging, tall order ! If u mention 60 marks required for Promotional clearance, 60 is still ok, acceptable, because we are talking about Secondary level, in IP program, with 8 or 9 subjects to manage.
For RGS girls who failed Y4 (IP) Promotional exam, do they get \"auto-pushed\" up, into RI JC (1) ?
What is year-end Promotional criteria like, for RI (JC1) students moving up into RI (JC2) ? Is it very tough ?
How is Hwa Chong year-end Promotional criteria like, for Hwa Chong (JC1) pupils, moving up into Hwa Chong (JC2) ? Even more demanding, than that of RI ?
mommyNg, you are right ! I take back my words earlier that, safer to choose NYGH because of the presence of on-demand O-level track, to fall back upon. With such demanding Promotional criteria, from Y1 to Y4 (IP) in NYGH : not safe. In fact, after you showed us the figures, scary. But we truly appreciated the figures & your effort, which u had shown us. Now, we understand why it is so stressful, studying inside the Big 5 (plus NUS High, included too)
Actually, studying in an IP school is stressful, no matter which IP school one join. But this NYGH, exceptionally stressful ...
For e.g. at the end of Y2, if the girl obtains MSG 4.01 .... she will go to SIP programme i.e. O level track ... But if she performs well in Y3, she can go back to IP track ... -
phtthp:
iRabbit and phtthp, for now, I do not personally know enough students from RI and HCI to be able to do the same detailed comparison and with the same surety as I did for RGS and NYGH. For HCI, they published quite detailed information about their promotion criteria that you may want to refer to: http://www.hci.edu.sg/admissions/high_school/assessment-promotion-criteria#assessment-and-promotion-criteria.
wah ! Now we understand why there is such a big difference in the numbers, between RGS vs. NYGH ( IP).
I feel that the Promotional criteria for NYGH (at end of Year 1 to Year 4), is too strict, demanding.
60 to 65 marks required (Y1 to Y4), and 65 to 70 marks required at end of Y4, are challenging, tall order ! If u mention 60 marks required for Promotional clearance, 60 is still ok, reasonable, acceptable, because we are talking about Secondary level, in IP program, with 8 to 10 subjects to manage, if include AEP / MEP / 3rd foreign language .
For RGS girls who failed Y4 (IP) Promotional exam, do they get \"auto-pushed\" up, into RI JC (1) ?
What is year-end Promotional criteria like, for RI (JC1) students moving up into RI (JC2) ? Is it very tough ?
How is Hwa Chong year-end Promotional criteria like, for Hwa Chong (JC1) pupils, moving up into Hwa Chong (JC2) ? Even more demanding, than that of RI ?
mommyNg, you are right ! I take back my words earlier that, safer to choose NYGH because of the presence of on-demand O-level track, to fall back upon. With such demanding Promotional criteria, from Y1 to Y4 (IP) in NYGH : not safe. In fact, after you showed us the figures, scary. But we truly appreciated the figures & your effort, which u had shown us. Now, we understand why it is so stressful, studying inside the Big 5 (plus NUS High, included too)
Actually, studying in an IP school is stressful, no matter which IP school one join. But this NYGH, exceptionally stressful, because every year, at the back of your mind, one can't help but keep wondering, \"Am I going to clear this year's IP Promotional exam ? \" ...
I am also personally supportive of O level track, and believe it has a very important place (and value) in our educational system. How I see it is that there is an obvious distinction between NYGH O level class and the other dual-track IP schools' O level classes. Thus I do not see NYGH O level class as a \"safety net\" from a student's perspective, but rather, it as a way for the school to transition out students they perceive as struggling and not coping as well as they would like them to be. Of course, there are many more girls who excel, shine, and develop wonderfully in the school, but it is the girls who got lost in this system that I most empathize with.
And as per php has shared, \"there is strictly no bargaining if the girl can't meet the promotion criteria in NYGH ... \". I know of a girl who got a MSG 3.07 at the end of Y2 who wanted to take triple science in Y3 but couldn't because she did not meet the min criteria (which is min MSG of 3.0), and another in an IP class who got a MSG 3.2 at the end of Y4 and cannot be promoted to HCI until she retake the 3 papers she \"failed\" in (less than 65) and obtain a minimum of B3 for all the re-papers. And many more other personal stories. These girls I know them, they are very sweet and sensible girls, I liked them a lot. They did not get addicted to social media or gaming, nor have attitude, rebellious or family issues. Perhaps they are just not as \"smart\" or not as \"consistent\" in their school work to meet the school's academic demands. Oh well... -
mommyNg:
MommyNg,
iRabbit and phtthp, for now, I do not personally know enough students from RI and HCI to be able to do the same detailed comparison and with the same surety as I did for RGS and NYGH. For HCI, they published quite detailed information about their promotion criteria that you may want to refer to: http://www.hci.edu.sg/admissions/high_school/assessment-promotion-criteria#assessment-and-promotion-criteria.phtthp:
wah ! Now we understand why there is such a big difference in the numbers, between RGS vs. NYGH ( IP).
I feel that the Promotional criteria for NYGH (at end of Year 1 to Year 4), is too strict, demanding.
60 to 65 marks required (Y1 to Y4), and 65 to 70 marks required at end of Y4, are challenging, tall order ! If u mention 60 marks required for Promotional clearance, 60 is still ok, reasonable, acceptable, because we are talking about Secondary level, in IP program, with 8 to 10 subjects to manage, if include AEP / MEP / 3rd foreign language .
For RGS girls who failed Y4 (IP) Promotional exam, do they get \"auto-pushed\" up, into RI JC (1) ?
What is year-end Promotional criteria like, for RI (JC1) students moving up into RI (JC2) ? Is it very tough ?
How is Hwa Chong year-end Promotional criteria like, for Hwa Chong (JC1) pupils, moving up into Hwa Chong (JC2) ? Even more demanding, than that of RI ?
mommyNg, you are right ! I take back my words earlier that, safer to choose NYGH because of the presence of on-demand O-level track, to fall back upon. With such demanding Promotional criteria, from Y1 to Y4 (IP) in NYGH : not safe. In fact, after you showed us the figures, scary. But we truly appreciated the figures & your effort, which u had shown us. Now, we understand why it is so stressful, studying inside the Big 5 (plus NUS High, included too)
Actually, studying in an IP school is stressful, no matter which IP school one join. But this NYGH, exceptionally stressful, because every year, at the back of your mind, one can't help but keep wondering, \"Am I going to clear this year's IP Promotional exam ? \" ...
I am also personally supportive of O level track, and believe it has a very important place (and value) in our educational system. How I see it is that there is an obvious distinction between NYGH O level class and the other dual-track IP schools' O level classes. Thus I do not see NYGH O level class as a \"safety net\" from a student's perspective, but rather, it as a way for the school to transition out students they perceive as struggling and not coping as well as they would like them to be. Of course, there are many more girls who excel, shine, and develop wonderfully in the school, but it is the girls who got lost in this system that I most empathize with.
And as per php has shared, \"there is strictly no bargaining if the girl can't meet the promotion criteria in NYGH ... \". I know of a girl who got a MSG 3.07 at the end of Y2 who wanted to take triple science in Y3 but couldn't because she did not meet the min criteria (which is min MSG of 3.0), and another in an IP class who got a MSG 3.2 at the end of Y4 and cannot be promoted to HCI until she retake the 3 papers she \"failed\" in (less than 65) and obtain a minimum of B3 for all the re-papers. And many more other personal stories. These girls I know them, they are very sweet and sensible girls, I liked them a lot. They did not get addicted to social media or gaming, nor have attitude, rebellious or family issues. Perhaps they are just not as \"smart\" or not as \"consistent\" in their school work to meet the school's academic demands. Oh well...
Do you happen to know if these girls facing difficulties were admitted based on affliation or DSA, with psle results less than the COP?
Sometime back I recall seeing a screenshot of a MOE page which shows the range as well as. median psle score of NYGH. Tried looking for it but not able to locate it. Appreciate if someone can share it again..much thanks!
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