2018 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (Born in 2006)

[MrsKiasu]

.zeit:

pirate:

[quote=\"MrsKiasu\"]huh, top 30% usually around how many points?

If top 10% is around 252, top 15.9% around 240 (one standard deviation) and mean is 200, my guess will be around 225.

Per 2017 stats, the SAP school that has the lowest COP is MSHS which is an all boys school, so does it mean girls within the cohort's top 30% who want to take HCL can only pick AHS or CCHSM whose COPs are 238?

Can one go to another SAP sec to take his/her HCL lessons? How does this HCL 30% thingy work?[/quote]the 30% thingy is a new one day old info to me more qns ..if kid flung hcl in PSLE, will it affect the chances of kid to choose hcl in sec1 say compared to a kid same points but no attempt for hcl in PSLE assuming both within the 30%?

only SAP secondary schools will offer hcl ie if not in SAP school cant take hcl?

[phtthp]

.zeit:

Per 2017 stats, the SAP school that has the lowest COP is MSHS which is an all boys school, so does it mean girls within the cohort's top 30% who want to take HCL can only pick AHS or CCHSM whose COPs are 238?

Can one go to another SAP sec to take his/her HCL lessons? How does this HCL 30% thingy work?

Hi .zeit,

If fall outside Top 30 percent, cannot go SAP school. Only within Top 30 percent, then can.

Is stated inside Moe website (HCL)

Amongst all the SAP secondary schools so far in Sg, which is the SAP school, that has the lowest Cut-off-point ? It is ... Maris Stella (MS)

And what is Maris Stella Cut-off-point ?
Around 235 or 236 ?

This means that, if students can enter MS (SAP) at 236, one can interpret that the Top 30 percent Cut-off, is somewhere around here (236 T-score)

CHIJ St Nicholas case

If a P6 student PSLE score is

228 (+2)

Total add up is 230, met the affliation T-score (230).

But, strangely :? , why still cannot go back to St Nick (O level) ?

Because 228, fall outside of Top 30 percent, unfortunately. So, cannot apply or utilise her (+2) Higher Chinese. In the end, went to some other Secondary school instead, be ause

- her 228 is short of 2 points from affliation 230. Appeal also no use, because MOE said must meet Cut off point, then can appeal.

- she cannot utilise her (+2) bonus points, because her 228 fell outside Top 30 percent, so cannot apply, cannot utilise.

[MrsKiasu]

ngl2010:

I think rather than spend so much time in HCL, it is better to just take CL and spend more time on other subjects. The child may get 10 points higher than a miserable 3 points (maximum) which he/she may not be able to use it to apply for admission to SAP schools. JMHO

true and I agree..told kid before, and reply received was same same, cl and hcl :? and surviving so I thought just let it be if offered.

[fable]

So 39,672 students sat for the PSLE this year(number taken from ST). If 260 represents the top 3%, that means 1,190 students (rounded down all decimals for convenience) scored at least 260. Just for convenience, lets make some assumptions:

1) the same number of boys and girls in the top 3%, i.e. 595 from each gender.
2) RI intake is 500 students a year (based on an old post somewhere in ksp), and 20% of the places are allocated via DSA
3) About 30% of the students who are in the top 3% already have a place in a school of their choice via DSA - that works out to a little over 400 boys looking for schools via S1 posting.

Based on these assumptions (and please keep in mind that they are just back of envelope), if all of them apply to RI, the COP will be 260 as number of places match number of boys. But since it is unlikely that they will all apply to one school the COP is likely to be lower than ESIS score.

(thanks, pirate, for the correction in number of PSLE candidates :oops: )

[LeeTaiTai]

I have met parents who told me their kids struggling with hcl after going in…but they are reluctant to give it up… they are in the no 3 no 4 situation but I feel kids once inside have a pressure to continue even if they just pass the "make it" line. Must ask yourself…the objective as most parents will want to retain the subject as long as the kid can take it for potential usage. And every school support is different. My niece in a neighbourhood school doing hcl told me her class drop out rate is high, she doesnt feel motivated. So many factors to think…not just using it for bonus points…good to have but there are sacrifices. My DD finds it hard but she wants to continue when school gave the option as she sees big improvement based on her hard work and she finds that she can tackle normal chinese more easily… 一举两得. Her teacher is positive and kind and she loves her lesson…so she is going to give it a shot in PSLE as a personal challenge.

[phtthp]

MrsKiasu:

the 30% thingy is a new one day old info to me more qns ..if kid flung hcl in PSLE, will it affect the chances of kid to choose hcl in sec1 say compared to a kid same points but no attempt for hcl in PSLE assuming both within the 30%?

only SAP secondary schools will offer hcl ie if not in SAP school cant take hcl?

Depends on which SAP school u join.

Some SAP schools are generous, in that even though one had never done PSLE HCL, never mind, it is all right, don't worry. In fact, they encourage u (some even made it compulsory) to take Sec 1 HCL, let u have the experience of learning or try it out. After trying out one of two years later, if really cannot cope, then they allow u to drop HCL. Why they encourage u to take HCL from Sec 1 ? So that after clear it in Year 4, don't have to bother about Chinese anymore, in Year 5.

On the other hand, some SAP schools very particular, very fussy, v strict. Only if your PSLE results say u can do HCL, then they allow u to. Otherwise, cannot.

One thing to note

If u take Normal Chinese in Sec 3, another hurdle can set in. Some schools very fussy, again. If unable to score a minimum of B3 in Normal Chinese at Sec 3 (or Year 3), they forbid u to take Higher Chinese, in Year 4.

But other schools, generous. Regardless of what grade u achieved (obtained) for Normal Chinese in Year 3, they still allow u to take Higher Chinese, in Year 4.

Thus, before enrol into a Sec school, best to find out about how the school handle HCL first.

[pirate]

fable:

So 37,672 students sat for the PSLE this year(number taken from ST). If 260 represents the top 3%, that means 1,130 students (rounded down the decimal for convenience) scored at least 260. Just for convenience, lets make some assumptions:

1) the same number of boys and girls in the top 3%, i.e. 565 from each gender.
2) RI intake is 500 students a year (based on an old post somewhere in ksp), and 20% of the places are allocated via DSA
3) About 30% of the students who are in the top 3% already have a place in a school of their choice via DSA - that works out to 395 boys looking for schools via S1 posting.

Based on these assumptions (and please keep in mind that they are just back of envelope), even if all of them apply to RI, the COP should be lower than the ESIS number simply because there are more places than students left in the top 3% now that the number of DSA offers from top schools seem to have been reduced.

Small problem. ST says 39,672 sat for the PSLE.

[LeeTaiTai]

fable:

So 37,672 students sat for the PSLE this year(number taken from ST). If 260 represents the top 3%, that means 1,130 students (rounded down the decimal for convenience) scored at least 260. Just for convenience, lets make some assumptions:

1) the same number of boys and girls in the top 3%, i.e. 565 from each gender.
2) RI intake is 500 students a year (based on an old post somewhere in ksp), and 20% of the places are allocated via DSA
3) About 30% of the students who are in the top 3% already have a place in a school of their choice via DSA - that works out to 395 boys looking for schools via S1 posting.

Based on these assumptions (and please keep in mind that they are just back of envelope), even if all of them apply to RI, the COP should be lower than the ESIS number simply because there are more places than students left in the top 3% now that the number of DSA offers from top schools seem to have been reduced.

Wow..your analysis :salute:

[fable]

pirate:

fable:

So 37,672 students sat for the PSLE this year(number taken from ST). If 260 represents the top 3%, that means 1,130 students (rounded down the decimal for convenience) scored at least 260. Just for convenience, lets make some assumptions:

1) the same number of boys and girls in the top 3%, i.e. 565 from each gender.
2) RI intake is 500 students a year (based on an old post somewhere in ksp), and 20% of the places are allocated via DSA
3) About 30% of the students who are in the top 3% already have a place in a school of their choice via DSA - that works out to 395 boys looking for schools via S1 posting.

Based on these assumptions (and please keep in mind that they are just back of envelope), even if all of them apply to RI, the COP should be lower than the ESIS number simply because there are more places than students left in the top 3% now that the number of DSA offers from top schools seem to have been reduced.

Small problem. ST says 39,672 sat for the PSLE.

Can I blame it on dyslexia? :slapshead: :slapshead: OK changing numbers in original post...

[.010675zeit]

phtthp:

MrsKiasu:

the 30% thingy is a new one day old info to me more qns ..if kid flung hcl in PSLE, will it affect the chances of kid to choose hcl in sec1 say compared to a kid same points but no attempt for hcl in PSLE assuming both within the 30%?

only SAP secondary schools will offer hcl ie if not in SAP school cant take hcl?

Depends on which SAP school u join.
...
Thus, before enrol into a Sec school, best to find out about how the school handle HCL first.

I don't know if you understand what MrsKS and I are talking about. You're talking about the option of taking HCL/CL in various SAP schools.

We're talking abt the so called top 30% (estimated t-score of 225, per pirate's calculation) who are eligible to take HCL. Suppose they happen to score between 225 and 235, where can they pursue HCL if they cannot qualify for the 'lowest-ranking' SAP sch in Singapore, which is MSHS for boys or the next 'lowest-ranking' SAP schools - AHS/CCHSM for co-ed?

One ex-forummer's kid was very strong in HCL, but alas her overall t-score didn't qualify her for the IPs or the higher-ranking SAP schools like NHHS/NCHS, but was fortunately high enough for AHS/CCHSM with the bonus points, so she had to make do with the hour-long commute to the East to pursue HCL.

Where can the 225-235 kids (top 30% yah?) with no affiliation to MSHS go to?