2018 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (Born in 2006)
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Wow…we have so many talents here for the Department of Statistics. They need to hire parents. Look at the graphs…omg
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6thisnthat9:
Parents stress is self induced lah
pls lah. Parent stress on the secondary school selection is not self induced. Look at the forum, parents are equally headache over the selection of secondary school. The use of PSLE is a ticket to the choice secondary school. Even the thought of wanting to go next door secondary school is already a fear for parents. -
.zeit:
Non SAP school lah. Non-SAP schools also offer HCL nowadays. I just randomly picked secondary schools on SIS and see that many offer HCL, eg Ahmad Ibrahim (218-240), Boon Lay (188-233), Gan Eng Seng (223-249), Pasir Ris Secondary (216-232) all offer HCL. North, south, east, west, all have. Minister really not joking when he says all schools are good schools, parents only need to pick school with the right fit for their child.I don't know if you understand what MrsKS and I are talking about. You're talking about the option of taking HCL/CL in various SAP schools.
We're talking abt the so called top 30% (estimated t-score of 225, per pirate's calculation) who are eligible to take HCL. Suppose they happen to score between 225 and 235, where can they pursue HCL if they cannot qualify for the 'lowest-ranking' SAP sch in Singapore, which is MSHS for boys or the next 'lowest-ranking' SAP schools - AHS/CCHSM for co-ed?
One ex-forummer's kid was very strong in HCL, but alas her overall t-score didn't qualify her for the IPs or the higher-ranking SAP schools like NHHS/NCHS, but was fortunately high enough for AHS/CCHSM with the bonus points, so she had to make do with the hour-long commute to the East to pursue HCL.
Where can the 225-235 kids (top 30% yah?) with no affiliation to MSHS go to?
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MrsKiasu:
Guess what MKS.... I contemplated it after DC was offered HCL. But my DC's ex-school teacher advice not to proceed. Thinking about it, my DC will never go SAP school. So I have decided to drop it.ngl2010:
I think rather than spend so much time in HCL, it is better to just take CL and spend more time on other subjects. The child may get 10 points higher than a miserable 3 points (maximum) which he/she may not be able to use it to apply for admission to SAP schools. JMHO
true and I agree..told kid before, and reply received was same same, cl and hcl :? and surviving so I thought just let it be if offered. -
MrsKiasu:
OK, I dug out this list of non-SAP sec schools which look to me can open a Chinese Special Prog class for CL-proficient kids within the school, if there are at least 15 pupils?
the 30% thingy is a new one day old info to me.zeit:
Per 2017 stats, the SAP school that has the lowest COP is MSHS which is an all boys school, so does it mean girls within the cohort's top 30% who want to take HCL can only pick AHS or CCHSM whose COPs are 238?
Can one go to another SAP sec to take his/her HCL lessons? How does this HCL 30% thingy work? more qns ..if kid flung hcl in PSLE, will it affect the chances of kid to choose hcl in sec1 say compared to a kid same points but no attempt for hcl in PSLE assuming both within the 30%?
only SAP secondary schools will offer hcl ie if not in SAP school cant take hcl?
https://www.moe.gov.sg/docs/default-source/document/education/admissions/secondary-one-posting/files/schools-offering-hmtl.pdf
An old media release on this Special Programme dated 2002 underscores the criteria:
http://www.nas.gov.sg/archivesonline/speeches/view-html?filename=2002033013.htm
The Chinese (Special Programme) is offered to students:
i) in the top 10% of a PSLE cohort, or
ii) in the top 11 to 30% of a PSLE cohort with A* in their Mother Tongue Language (MTL) or Distinction in their Higher Mother Tongue Language (HMTL) and at least A in their English Language (EL) at the PSLE.
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The Chinese (Special Programme) will be conducted in schools if there are at least 15 students. Students in schools that do not offer the subject will attend classes in other secondary schools within their cluster or in a nearby cluster.
https://www.moe.gov.sg/docs/default-source/document/education/syllabuses/mother-tongue-languages/files/chinese-special-programme-secondary-2015.pdf
The strange thing is this Chinese Special Prog doesn't culminate in HCL O level exams in Sec 4. It's still CL O level, meaning students won't enjoy the 2 bonus point deduction from L1R5.
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To the HCL, i heard if your kids are not qualified for HML, you still had chance to apply in the school. Not so strict.
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pirate:
I've always wondered - mean T-score per subject is 50, right? But what is mean T-score for all 4 subjects? Unlikely to be 200 right?
No lah. Mean T-score per subject is 50. 60 is by definition one standard deviation away. One standard deviation puts 60 at top 15.9%. 4 x 60 = 240. By that reckoning, top 30% cut-off should be significantly below 236. In other words, not within top 30% highly unlikely to be able to get into SAP school anyway. Unless got some SAP school with very generous affiliation cut-off...phtthp:
Amongst all the SAP secondary schools so far in Sg, which is the SAP school, that has the lowest Cut-off-point ? It is ... Maris Stella (MS)
And what is Maris Stella Cut-off-point ?
Around 235 or 236 ?
This means that, if students can enter MS (SAP) at 236, one can interpret that the Top 30 percent Cut-off, is somewhere around here (236 T-score) -
.zeit:
My goodness....225-235 kids are also a good score. Didn't know the implication of HCL. :nailbite:
Where can the 225-235 kids (top 30% yah?) with no affiliation to MSHS go to? -
pirate:
Thanks! I just found the list of schools online. Not sure if they require a min no of pupils.
Non SAP school lah. Non-SAP schools also offer HCL nowadays. I just randomly picked secondary schools on SIS and see that many offer HCL, eg Ahmad Ibrahim (218-240), Boon Lay (188-233), Gan Eng Seng (223-249), Pasir Ris Secondary (216-232) all offer HCL. North, south, east, west, all have. Minister really not joking when he says all schools are good schools, parents only need to pick school with the right fit for their child. -
fable:
I've always wondered - mean T-score per subject is 50, right? But what is mean T-score for all 4 subjects? Unlikely to be 200 right?[/quote]Seems like the case.
No lah. Mean T-score per subject is 50. 60 is by definition one standard deviation away. One standard deviation puts 60 at top 15.9%. 4 x 60 = 240. By that reckoning, top 30% cut-off should be significantly below 236. In other words, not within top 30% highly unlikely to be able to get into SAP school anyway. Unless got some SAP school with very generous affiliation cut-off...pirate:
[quote=\"phtthp\"]Amongst all the SAP secondary schools so far in Sg, which is the SAP school, that has the lowest Cut-off-point ? It is ... Maris Stella (MS)
And what is Maris Stella Cut-off-point ?
Around 235 or 236 ?
This means that, if students can enter MS (SAP) at 236, one can interpret that the Top 30 percent Cut-off, is somewhere around here (236 T-score)
Express - 200.
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