Networking Group - JCs General
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jtoh:
If your dd still intends to study medicine, her UAS is the most important entry point. Not her CCAs nor any other activities she has on her resume. Many of those applying for medicine have straight As (perfect UAS of 90) or possibly a B in one H1 subject. Cut-off points for Medicine FSA/SJT were 88.75 the last couple of years. So even if you volunteer at multiple healthcare organizations and are a councillor or in an exco, but you don't have a string of As, it's highly unlikely that you'll even score an interview. Priorities.[/quote]do local universites (NUS Yong Loo Lin, NTU Lee Kong Chian) even allow the taking in of Repeat (JC1 / JC2) students, for MBBS degree admission ?
Her previous plan was to not take on a CCA at all for the next 2 years as she is not interested in other CCAs, and she intends to build her portfolio for university entrance through volunteer work at Youth Corps during her holidays and then seek a job placement in the healthcare industry (e.g. polyclinic or GP clinics) during her post-A levels, as well as voluntary at other organisations. I agreed with her plan as it does seem feasible as she is keeping her school days free from any other external work, and I think with that, she can have a more balanced time of studying and relaxing now.genevaong:
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Am I right to say that you're thinking this might boost her portfolio to get into Medicine? I hope you know you don't need to be from the SC to get into Medicine (check your posts in the NTU/NUS Medicine thread). Nor do you absolutely need to be a councillor to get a govt scholarship (other CCA leaderships also ok) or to get into OCS (for males). I've friends who successfully got into top universities in the UK and US without ever running for council.
I know it's very fun and novel to organise activities for peers in a merged JC that's just adopted a new identity, but ultimately, remember this is just a passing phase... Her priority now is to focus on her 3 best H2, PW and GP and earn that ticket / passport to at least one of our local AUs. Just because she's scored an A2 for O lvel HCL doesn't mean she should waste those extra free time on something that cannot earn her that uni ticket.
Remember she has a whole lifetime ahead of her to serve the community and the public. Why jeopardise these 2 crucial years of her life? Once in the local AUs, there are a myriad of faculty councils, orientation committees in various college halls, clubs and societies for her cherry-pick and serve to her heart's content. Same for overseas universities - plenty of student councils and committees to run for!
And if those are not enough to keep her occupied and socially gratified, she can always volunteer in grassroots organisations, charities, clans, religious groups, etc. during her undergrad and postgrad years. Btw, why don't you get her to spend her precious time to volunteer in some nursing homes/hospices instead, since you want her to get into NTU/NUS Medicine? Isn't that more practical and useful?
I feel that someone aiming for Medicine shouldn't be satisfied with just 4 out of 5 passes in JC1 on her 2nd attempt. She must vow to get at least 5 As & Bs in her repeat year, otherwise if she flunks again, she will have to join a poly to fulfil her Medicine dream.
She recently had the thought of making an appeal to the principal regarding council as I believe it was because of her last session with the council and I think she misses them.
Her council teacher has also spoken to her regarding how she can build her portfolio without taking on a CCA, as her portfolio for 2018 is rather okay since she had council as a CCA. Her council teacher did advise her to take on volunteer work outside of school during holidays, and retainees are being given a internship opportunity during post-promos, which he recommended her to take on an internship at healthcare industry as she can include this into her portfolio too. In addition, he also mentioned that she can join Orientation 2020 as an OGL this year as long as she does well for promos, which will give her portfolio a boost as well.
I believe that she is having a hard time at the moment letting go of council as she has mentioned how council has been a big part of her jc journey so far and I just wanted to support her as much as possible.
Every year (batch), bear in mind that there are so many hundreds of applicants : hungrily, competitively applying for MMBS, for scarce, limited spaces in local (NUS, NTU). Besides RI and Hwa Chong that take in the bulk (majority) of applicants for medical admission, still got so many more other Junior colleges' candidates, also vying for scarce, limited spaces.
Interview medical panel only short-list candidates armed with straight-As (from A-level cert), plus those who displayed excellent Cca record, good leadership track record. I believe many of these short-listed candidates never failed nor repeat JC1 / JC2, before. Question is -
how can these repeating JC1 / JC2 students, ever compete with those \"clean\" candidates, who never have any blemish before, in their academic record ?
Once a student repeat, whether repeat in JC1 or JC2, already created a blemish (stain) in their academic record, particularly if applying for highly popular Medical / Law faculty. -
I do not have the statistic on hand to ascertain whether a retainee gaining admission into Medicine but I think there is a possibility depending how you spin the story. Gov/media nowsday like such comeback kids kind of story…a person overcoming great adversaries to achieve great results… to prove the flexibility of our system and upwards mobility is still alive and kicking. This also prove the strong character of the applicant and interviewer will likes such candidate. Personally, I do hope more such candidates are given more opportunity, its this kind of people who has the smart to survive in a crisis.
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UBKmom:
I do not have the statistic on hand to ascertain whether a retainee gaining admission into Medicine but I think there is a possibility depending how you spin the story. Gov/media nowsday like such comeback kids kind of story…a person overcoming great adversaries to achieve great results… to prove the flexibility of our system and upwards mobility is still alive and kicking. This also prove the strong character of the applicant and interviewer will likes such candidate. Personally, I do hope more such candidates are given more opportunity, its this kind of people who has the smart to survive in a crisis.
Yes, newspaper ever published article below, against adversity, against all odd, on some students able to enter Medicine
eg
This boy, scored PSLE T-score 181. Nobody expect someone with 181 T-score, to enter NUS Yong Loo Lin Medical school. Yet, against all odd, he proved it. With 181, he entered Secondary Normal Academic stream.
At Secondary 5, he did his O-level.
After that, he entered Singapore Polytechnic and did Biomedical Diploma, excelled in it and was admitted to NUS Medical school. But, was he ever a Repeat student, anywhere during his academic journey, inspite of scoring 181 (PSLE ) ? No, he wasn't
Did he ever repeat his Sec 5 O-level ? No, he did not
Did he ever repeat his final year, at Singapore Polytechnic ? No, he did not
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/from-a-psle-score-of-181-to-nus-medicine -
phtthp:
But I think it is the same kind of comeback kids story if genevaong’s DD can get into medicine. Retained at JC1 then obtained straight As at A level then get into medicine. Or, retained at JC1 then moved to poly then get into medicine.UBKmom:
I do not have the statistic on hand to ascertain whether a retainee gaining admission into Medicine but I think there is a possibility depending how you spin the story. Gov/media nowsday like such comeback kids kind of story…a person overcoming great adversaries to achieve great results… to prove the flexibility of our system and upwards mobility is still alive and kicking. This also prove the strong character of the applicant and interviewer will likes such candidate. Personally, I do hope more such candidates are given more opportunity, its this kind of people who has the smart to survive in a crisis.
Yes, newspaper ever published article below, against adversity, against all odd, on some students able to enter Medicine
eg
This boy, scored PSLE T-score 181. Nobody expect someone with 181 T-score, to enter NUS Yong Loo Lin Medical school. Yet, against all odd, he proved it. With 181, he entered Secondary Normal Academic stream.
At Secondary 5, he did his O-level.
After that, he entered Singapore Polytechnic and did Biomedical Diploma, excelled in it and was admitted to NUS Medical school. But, was he ever a Repeat student, anywhere during his academic journey, inspite of scoring 181 (PSLE ) ? No, he wasn't
Did he ever repeat his Sec 5 O-level ? No, he did not
Did he ever repeat his final year, at Singapore Polytechnic ? No, he did not
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/from-a-psle-score-of-181-to-nus-medicine -
I know that there are A-level students with a string of perfect 4As, who got rejected by NUS Medical school.
To me, if one is a Repeat student, still want to pursue medicine, perhaps consider overseas, still got chance. -
Maybe don’t think too far ahead. First need to get all straight As for A level then talk. Now actually no point to talk. If no straight As, no need to talk about getting into medicine in local unis.
No straight As, no talk. -
phtthp:
I'm fairly sure that there is no bar for a student to apply to any course (even Medicine and Law) simply because they repeated a year in JC. On the other hand, since these are highly competitive courses which requre interviews, who knows how an interview panel will view them? A lot will depend on the reason for the repeated year, and how the panel assesses the candidate in terms of character etc.do local universites (NUS Yong Loo Lin, NTU Lee Kong Chian) even allow the taking in of Repeat (JC1 / JC2) students, for MBBS degree admission ?
Every year (batch), bear in mind that there are so many hundreds of applicants : hungrily, competitively applying for MMBS, for scarce, limited spaces in local (NUS, NTU). Besides RI and Hwa Chong that take in the bulk (majority) of applicants for medical admission, still got so many more other Junior colleges' candidates, also vying for scarce, limited spaces.
Interview medical panel only short-list candidates armed with straight-As (from A-level cert), plus those who displayed excellent Cca record, good leadership track record. I believe many of these short-listed candidates never failed nor repeat JC1 / JC2, before. Question is -
how can these repeating JC1 / JC2 students, ever compete with those \"clean\" candidates, who never have any blemish before, in their academic record ?
Once a student repeat, whether repeat in JC1 or JC2, already created a blemish (stain) in their academic record, particularly if applying for highly popular Medical / Law faculty. -
1. Idiom of the day: cart before the horse.
2. (TV) Movie of the day: the comeback kid (which also happens to be the nickname of a former POTUS).
Can a repeat student make it to Med? Yes, provided he / she can score straight As and meet the IGP. The final result is what matters; how many u-turns, left turns or right turns you make to get there, it makes a great story to tell, but not that important.
Can a repeat student score straight As after repeating? Statistically not impossible but in reality, the odds of winning Toto may be higher. A student is being retained for a reason and if he / she can’t meet the JC promotion standard, which is already very lax, hard to see it happening unless there is a serious change in attitude.
Insisting on doing the same while expecting different results?
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ChiefKiasu:
I'm a little confused. Even if your DD wants to rejoin the council, doesn't she has to be voted in? And wouldn't she have to work with new people again? I don't think the rest of the council would stay back just for her.
Yes, she would most likely need to be voted back into council and work with new people.
I am hoping to talk her out of this as I personally do feel that she needs to do well this year, as I know retainees can face many struggles during their repeat year, one of which is likely to be being despised. She told me that when she went back to help council for the school's openhouse last week at the request of her teacher, she ran into her 2018 physics tutor at the library and her tutor was very rude to her. Her tutor looked at her and rolled her eyes, even showing looks of disgust before walking away. She mentioned before how this tutor looked down on students who got anything less than an A2 and she is a very arrogant person. I really hope that she can work hard and do well enough this year to prove this tutor wrong, and I really hope she can do well enough to tell people that \"I was a retainee with 6As and 1B.\" -
phtthp:
There was a graduate from Anderson Junior College who was matriculated into NUS Yong Loo Lin School of Medicine in August/September last year who was also a retainee. Heard she was from Choir.I know that there are A-level students with a string of perfect 4As, who got rejected by NUS Medical school.
To me, if one is a Repeat student, still want to pursue medicine, perhaps consider overseas, still got chance.
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