Guy who filmed NUS undergrad showering.....

[starlight1968sg]

Am following bits and pieces of the news.

Wonder why no such news on female peeping male …?

[Sun_2010]

For those who are not aware of the case - tread more @


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/nus-convene-committee-monica-baey-justice-man-film-shower-11462916

If you are as horrified as me to know that the punishment for entering the female restroom and recording someone without their consent and being caught with solid evidence (CCTV recording of perpetrator entering the shower area + video recording of the victim showering on his phone) is a 12-month conditional warning from SPF and one semester suspention from NUS , please do raise your voice by signing the petition.

To think that next semester this man will be in the campus scares me. For every peeping Tom that is reported, wonder how many are not even caught? And wonder how many cases are even reported? And wonder how many more cases , the victims are even unaware that they were recorded. The pschycological impact on victims who have been recorded and possible had the videos uploaded online is high. So this should be treated a sexual harresment with punishment that does justice to the victim as well as has a deterrant effect.

So please do sign - NUS's action and response so far is extremely dissappointing.

https://www.change.org/p/uprsec-nus-edu-sg-stiffer-punishment-for-nicholas-lim-jun-kai

https://www.change.org/p/all-singaporeans-we-want-singapore-police-to-reopen-monica-baey-s-case

[pirate]

You guys know that before the police can close a case by administering a conditional warning, the investigation papers have to go to the Attorney General's Chambers, right?


Also, what additional things NUS decides to impose has nothing to do with the police or AGC, just as NUS has no say in what the police or AGC decides.

So far, what was meted out is perfectly consistent with previous precedents:

https://mothership.sg/2019/04/nus-outrage-of-modesty-cases/

Of course, if anybody wants to start discussions and debates on sentencing and treatment of such cases, or a debate on retribution, rehabilitation or deterrence in jurisprudence or criminology, by all means do so. But please don't raise a rabble on a false premise or by dumbing down the issue. Otherwise, we will be having another debate a few years down the line when another 20+ year old undergraduate student jumps off a building.

[laughingcat]

pirate\" post_id=\"1907305\" time=\"1555908719\" user_id=\"66252:

Otherwise, we will be having another debate a few years down the line when another 20+ year old undergraduate student jumps off a building.

But then what if the 20+ year old undergraduate student jumps off the building is the victim and not the perpetrator?

I am just saying that perhaps we need a law specifically on male voyeur given today technology age.

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/create-new-offences-deal-voyeurs-who-peep-film-and-distribute-obscene-videos-says

If the perpetrator jumped off the building, I don't really care a hoot about it. Because some perpetrators re-commit the crimes. I am not going to say all perpetrators will re-commit but seriously i don't care about the perpetrators.

If the victim jumped off the building....that will be a different story.

Not saying NUS or the police is not doing their part. Just feel that we need to have a tougher law on this.

[pirate]

Shall we hang the fella then? :scratchhead:

[laughingcat]

no need to be so extreme lah.

Did not kill a person.

2 years jail with rotang until buttock split :spank:

the next time he touched his backside, he will remember cannot peep.

[Sun_2010]

Thanks pirate for highlighting that SPF has to go thru the AGC before issuing conditional warning. I didnt know that.


Is there any mandated pschylogical counselling sessions or psychiatric treatment for the offender in this case, the media reports so far do not seem to mention any

pirate\" post_id=\"1907305\" time=\"1555908719\" user_id=\"66252:

Of course, if anybody wants to start discussions and debates on sentencing and treatment of such cases, or a debate on retribution, rehabilitation or deterrence in jurisprudence or criminology, by all means do so. But please don't raise a rabble on a false premise or by dumbing down the issue. Otherwise, we will be having another debate a few years down the line when another 20+ year old undergraduate student jumps off a building.

Actually this is what is surprised me that the punishment meted out by SPF is the standard one for similar offence. For a victim who feels violated to come forward and actively report is already emotinally challenging, and all that effort and pain so that the offender can get a conditional warning ?

We are not talking about a pick pocket who stole a wallet here are we? The emotional impact is far more - even though there is no physical contact the mental trauma is comparable to that of molest . Wonder how many sleepless nights a victim spent feeling ashamed and violated ? And how long before she can shower without fear even in her own home, let alone a public showering spaces? Ask women you know well how much she would be affected ? That might give you a better picture.

People make mistakes, true - but severity of punishment should take in the magnitude of the crime, its impact on the victims too. If the offender gets off so lightly is it justice served? Is this it a patriarcal mindset of the lawmakers that makes them see this \"conditional warning\" as a optimal punishment?

[pirate]

Somehow, I think the primary aim was rehabilitation. A 40 year old perpetrator might not have gotten off with a conditional warning. As for whether any mandated treatment or counseling, dunno not in the news. But that would be a good question to ask of the authorities.


Maybe the victim also needs counseling for PTSD.

The other question is how come NUS halls so easy for people to peep? What’s wrong with the design?

Baying for their pound of flesh like what the online petitions seek to do will not lead to a better society. There is a reason why in civilised societies, the victim or their families do not get to decide the appropriate punishment.

[starlight1968sg]

A stern or conditional warning suffice? In the first place, are the culprits mentally sound?