2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2007)

[Arise SG]

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AriseSG\" post_id=\"1921443\" time=\"1563779546\" user_id=\"179403:[quote=AriseSG post_id=1921443 time=1563779546 user_id=179403]Do note that if you apply ambitiously and miss, you may be placed behind in terms of ranking as compared to another student who has applied conservatively.

Assume you miss your top 2 choices and your T score is 230. Another student's 1st choice school is the same as your 3rd choice school and he also got 230, he will enter first. If enough of such situations occur to fill up the spaces of that school, you might even miss out on your 3rd choice. Generally, as a simple guide, COP doesn't change much from year to year because the bell curve is generally similar ( this is especially so for top schools)

This is not true. There has always been misconception every year by parents every year. Under current system, entry to secondary school is by merit (t-score) first, choice matters very little.

For example,
1. Student A - PSLE t-score 230, Student B - PSLE t-score 230
2. School C - COP 230
3. Student A - 3rd choice (and can't qualify for the first 2 choices), Student B - 1st choice
Student A will still get ahead if his t-score is higher than Student B. What you see in item 1., is a rounded figure, there are decimals behind the t-score which comes into play in such a tie. Hence, if Student A real t-score is 230.4 and Student B t-score is 230.1, Student A will always be posted to School C ahead of Student B regardless of the choice.

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"1921446\" time=\"1563779875\" user_id=\"43981:

See above.

I am not sure where you are getting this information from. This has been openly discussed in our school contact time with our principals last year that when there is a tie, choice comes first.

If you wanted to use 230.4 vs 230.1 it's no longer a tie, isn't it?

so yes it a student's T score is 230.4 he will get his place in XYZ school ahead of another student with 230.1

[Arise SG]

floppy\" post_id=\"1921449\" time=\"1563780280\" user_id=\"97579:

AriseSG\" post_id=\"1921443\" time=\"1563779546\" user_id=\"179403:[quote=AriseSG post_id=1921443 time=1563779546 user_id=179403]Do note that if you apply ambitiously and miss, you may be placed behind in terms of ranking as compared to another student who has applied conservatively.

Assume you miss your top 2 choices and your T score is 230. Another student's 1st choice school is the same as your 3rd choice school and he also got 230, he will enter first. If enough of such situations occur to fill up the spaces of that school, you might even miss out on your 3rd choice. Generally, as a simple guide, COP doesn't change much from year to year because the bell curve is generally similar ( this is especially so for top schools)

This is not true. There has always been misconception every year by parents every year. Under current system, entry to secondary school is by merit (t-score) first, choice matters very little.

For example,
1. Student A - PSLE t-score 230, Student B - PSLE t-score 230
2. School C - COP 230
3. Student A - 3rd choice (and can't qualify for the first 2 choices), Student B - 1st choice
Student A will still get ahead if his t-score is higher than Student B. What you see in item 1., is a rounded figure, there are decimals behind the t-score which comes into play in such a tie. Hence, if Student A real t-score is 230.4 and Student B t-score is 230.1, Student A will always be posted to School C ahead of Student B regardless of the choice.

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"1921446\" time=\"1563779875\" user_id=\"43981:

See above.

I am not sure where you are getting this information from. This has been openly discussed in our school contact time with our principals last year that when there is a tie, choice comes first.

If you wanted to use 230.4 vs 230.1 it's no longer a tie, isn't it?

so yes it a student's T score is 230.4 he will get his place in XYZ school ahead of another student with 230.1

[Arise SG]

floppy\" post_id=\"1921449\" time=\"1563780280\" user_id=\"97579:

AriseSG\" post_id=\"1921443\" time=\"1563779546\" user_id=\"179403:[quote=AriseSG post_id=1921443 time=1563779546 user_id=179403]Do note that if you apply ambitiously and miss, you may be placed behind in terms of ranking as compared to another student who has applied conservatively.

Assume you miss your top 2 choices and your T score is 230. Another student's 1st choice school is the same as your 3rd choice school and he also got 230, he will enter first. If enough of such situations occur to fill up the spaces of that school, you might even miss out on your 3rd choice. Generally, as a simple guide, COP doesn't change much from year to year because the bell curve is generally similar ( this is especially so for top schools)

This is not true. There has always been misconception every year by parents every year. Under current system, entry to secondary school is by merit (t-score) first, choice matters very little.

For example,
1. Student A - PSLE t-score 230, Student B - PSLE t-score 230
2. School C - COP 230
3. Student A - 3rd choice (and can't qualify for the first 2 choices), Student B - 1st choice
Student A will still get ahead if his t-score is higher than Student B. What you see in item 1., is a rounded figure, there are decimals behind the t-score which comes into play in such a tie. Hence, if Student A real t-score is 230.4 and Student B t-score is 230.1, Student A will always be posted to School C ahead of Student B regardless of the choice.

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"1921446\" time=\"1563779875\" user_id=\"43981:

See above.

I am not sure where you are getting this information from. This has been openly discussed in our school contact time with our principals last year that when there is a tie, choice comes first.

If you wanted to use 230.4 vs 230.1 it's no longer a tie, isn't it?

so yes if a student's T score is 230.4 he will get his place in XYZ school ahead of another student with 230.1

[floppy]

Arise SG\" post_id=\"1921781\" time=\"1563860032\" user_id=\"179794:[quote=\"Arise SG\" post_id=1921781 time=1563860032 user_id=179794]

floppy\" post_id=\"1921449\" time=\"1563780280\" user_id=\"97579:

Do note that if you apply ambitiously and miss, you may be placed behind in terms of ranking as compared to another student who has applied conservatively.

Assume you miss your top 2 choices and your T score is 230. Another student's 1st choice school is the same as your 3rd choice school and he also got 230, he will enter first. If enough of such situations occur to fill up the spaces of that school, you might even miss out on your 3rd choice. Generally, as a simple guide, COP doesn't change much from year to year because the bell curve is generally similar ( this is especially so for top schools)

This is not true. There has always been misconception every year by parents every year. Under current system, entry to secondary school is by merit (t-score) first, choice matters very little.

For example,
1. Student A - PSLE t-score 230, Student B - PSLE t-score 230
2. School C - COP 230
3. Student A - 3rd choice (and can't qualify for the first 2 choices), Student B - 1st choice
Student A will still get ahead if his t-score is higher than Student B. What you see in item 1., is a rounded figure, there are decimals behind the t-score which comes into play in such a tie. Hence, if Student A real t-score is 230.4 and Student B t-score is 230.1, Student A will always be posted to School C ahead of Student B regardless of the choice.

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"1921446\" time=\"1563779875\" user_id=\"43981:

I am not sure where you are getting this information from. This has been openly discussed in our school contact time with our principals last year that when there is a tie, choice comes first.

If you wanted to use 230.4 vs 230.1 it's no longer a tie, isn't it?

so yes it a student's T score is 230.4 he will get his place in XYZ school ahead of another student with 230.1

That’s what I do: I drink and I know things.

Plus, information comes from MOE, plus tested / proven by years of parents here.

Firstly, we can agree that t-score 230 is never 230 as it could be 230.4 and 230.1. Hence, t-score 230 (who's really a 230.4) as 3rd choice will trump a t-score 230 (who's really a 230.1) as 1st choice. To get a statistical tie, you need to tie the scores in EL, in CL, in Math and in Science in order. Not impossible but statistically, I think the odds is one in a million. You probably have better luck at winning 4D (one in 10,000).

Secondly, even if a tie happens, or let's assume the above is also wrong, 230 is 230, regardless of the decimal points, the info given by the principals during your contact time is still incorrect. Rank choice doesn't play a part at all because https://beta.moe.gov.sg/secondary/s1-posting/results/how-posted/ has specifically said so:

[quote]2. How your child is posted
The posting process is based on PSLE score, school preferences and vacancies at the selected schools. Students with higher PSLE scores will be considered first for vacancies in their chosen schools.

What if two students have the same score?
Singapore Citizens have priority in the case of a tied score. Between two students with the same citizenship, a tie is resolved by a computerised ballot with an equal chance for each student.

Note: the ONLY time where https://www.moe.gov.sg/microsites/psle/SEC%201%20Posting/sec-1-posting.html in but that will be from 2021 onwards and not relevant to the discussion in this thread.

[newbieks]

Hi does school usually release prelims oral results before PSLE oral dates? Or wait until the whole prelims is over?

[Arise SG]

Thank you for the link. This would be good to show the principals. Could you also provide an official link to show that T scores are calculated to the decimals instead of anecdotal evidence?


"What if two students have the same score?
Singapore Citizens have priority in the case of a tied score. Between two students with the same citizenship, a tie is resolved by a computerised ballot with an equal chance for each student."

I question this quote then. Why does MOE have to come up with this if T scores really had decimal places? In 1 of the threads here in KSP named All about T scores, parents claim up to 13 decimal places. There would be no possibility of ties in this case and thus MOE should not have needed to come up with the above quote.

[phtthp]

newbieks\" post_id=\"1921810\" time=\"1563865057\" user_id=\"178749:

Hi does school usually release prelims oral results before PSLE oral dates? Or wait until the whole prelims is over?

same as P6 SA1 ... release everything together, after the entire Prelim is over

[floppy]

Arise SG\" post_id=\"1921817\" time=\"1563865482\" user_id=\"179794:[quote=\"Arise SG\" post_id=1921817 time=1563865482 user_id=179794]
Thank you for the link. This would be good to show the principals. Could you also provide an official link to show that T scores are calculated to the decimals instead of anecdotal evidence?

\"What if two students have the same score?
Singapore Citizens have priority in the case of a tied score. Between two students with the same citizenship, a tie is resolved by a computerised ballot with an equal chance for each student.\"

I question this quote then. Why does MOE have to come up with this if T scores really had decimal places? In 1 of the threads here in KSP named All about T scores, parents claim up to 13 decimal places. There would be no possibility of ties in this case and thus MOE should not have needed to come up with the above quote.[/quote]

From Singapore Examinations and Assessment Board (SEAB), calculating the t-score:

https://www.ifaq.gov.sg/seab/apps/fcd_faqmain.aspx?qst=hRhkP9BzcBImsx2TBbssMsxu7lqt6UJK70a1wAEVmyfdSZlp3kC3qEU1uwdD2zxBC8h26bwjs%2FIwvamUXpJQllIbGr3zfx%2Fg6R5G3kQwdaBqrmc6VVtGVreSd34s3fzQd2XjpEaXHjFH9k4Aky4ad22Tv9ZVP3e82AhV2YIeMwaGIBKFIrvh5zfUcyEdjkBGvw8b%2Bh1woqMmu1%2FCwl6UK4xSGccfs%2FuC2rGMLPsW7lE%3D#FAQ_93277?

For standard subjects, we apply the following formula:

http://www.ifaq.gov.sg/SEAB/apps/GetImage.aspx?id=a6edbc05-f38f-42c3-8a68-3b5801540a4d\">

where x is the candidate’s mark for the subject Q
m is the average mark (mean) scored by all the candidates
s is the spread of the marks around the average mark (standard deviation)

I don't know what's the number of decimal places used but it's not possible to get a rounded t-score mathematically unless we round up / down the number.

But whatever it is, RANK CHOICE DOES NOT MATTER

[Nebbermind]

I think PSLE parents are so stressed...I mean, to sweat over the number of decimal places!!

[MyPillow]

Nebbermind\" post_id=\"1921851\" time=\"1563867848\" user_id=\"15571:

I think PSLE parents are so stressed...I mean, to sweat over the number of decimal places!!

can b important coz
it is the last decimal/number that determine who is the last kid to get into the sch mah - under current system