* Eunoia JC (EJC)
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"Mr Know All"?
> Hardly but I look at the numbers and comment accordingly. If you want to stan for other JC, feel free to put up the numbers.
Biased towards certain JC.
> Given that I neither studied in VJC, EJC nor NYJC, no reason to like / dislike any of them. It’s just the numbers that I’m interested in.
Now… "Its obvious VJC std dropping"
> These are VJC mean rank points over the last 5 years:
2014 (class of 2013, COP 6 / 5): 83.8
2015 (class of 2014, COP 6 / 5): 84
2016 (class of 2015, COP 6 / 5): 84.4 (n.b. VJC best performance in 10 years)
2017 (class of 2016, COP 7 / 5): 83.7
2018 (class of 2017, COP 7 / 5): 83.6 (let’s fix that for ya)
"Rp dropping yearly too" is a factually wrong statement (unless you are only considering a narrow 3-year window).
Comparing 2018 examination results with the other 4 years:
2014: down 0.2 ppt
2015: down 0.4 ppt
2016: down 0.9 ppt
2017: down 0.1 ppt
2018 result is less than 1% drop even against ‘VJC best performance in 10 years’. That’s hardly a doomsday’s scenario. I stand by my statement: "VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good".
Lastly, with regard to median:
2017 (class of 2016): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
2018 (class of 2017): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
Not much shared by VJC but together with the mean RP and a negative skewed distribution, enough for us to conclude that VJC median RP is between 83.6 and 87.5 (and if you assume a split down the middle, median RP would be slightly > 85). -
edifice\" post_id=\"1935323\" time=\"1568481016\" user_id=\"181061:
\"Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.\"
Dude, IDK how u come up NY RP between 80-83. Haaha.
Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.
It's known NY RP better.
U better spend more time to give more advice to Ejc how to close up disparity gap between IP, JAE kids.
The baseless conclusion is called a negative skewed normal distribution. If median is 85, the mean RP would have to be left of 85. BTW, mommyNg is right that I shouldn't call them \"disingenuous\" (apologies to the choice of word) but she is also right that \"the mean can be skewed badly by a few outliers\". The challenge with NYJC is we don't know how long that tail stretches and thus, how badly the average may be affected. Considering that ACJC / TJC is in the 80s, and VJC is in the 83s, 80 to 83 is a reasonable estimate (for both NJC and NYJC).
\"It's known NY RP better.\"
It's not known. Do share if you know, most of us have been eagerly waiting for the 'known' number to change our mind. BTW, you aren't the first to stan for NYJC, and probably not the last, without being able to produce the numbers. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935339\" time=\"1568520961\" user_id=\"97579:
U int in numbers, go buy 4 D.
\"Mr Know All\"?
> Hardly but I look at the numbers and comment accordingly. If you want to stan for other JC, feel free to put up the numbers.
Biased towards certain JC.
> Given that I neither studied in VJC, EJC nor NYJC, no reason to like / dislike any of them. It's just the numbers that I'm interested in.
Now... \"Its obvious VJC std dropping\"
> These are VJC mean rank points over the last 5 years:
2014 (class of 2013, COP 6 / 5): 83.8
2015 (class of 2014, COP 6 / 5): 84
2016 (class of 2015, COP 6 / 5): 84.4 (n.b. VJC best performance in 10 years)
2017 (class of 2016, COP 7 / 5): 83.7
2018 (class of 2017, COP 7 / 5): 83.6 (let's fix that for ya)
\"Rp dropping yearly too\" is a factually wrong statement (unless you are only considering a narrow 3-year window).
Comparing 2018 examination results with the other 4 years:
2014: down 0.2 ppt
2015: down 0.4 ppt
2016: down 0.9 ppt
2017: down 0.1 ppt
2018 result is less than 1% drop even against 'VJC best performance in 10 years'. That's hardly a doomsday's scenario. I stand by my statement: \"VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good\".
Lastly, with regard to median:
2017 (class of 2016): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
2018 (class of 2017): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
Not much shared by VJC but together with the mean RP and a negative skewed distribution, enough for us to conclude that VJC median RP is between 83.6 and 87.5 (and if you assume a split down the middle, median RP would be > 85).
Its obvious Im referring to VJC last 3 yrs results, derrr. So no wrong statement on my pt.
Why dont you comment abt VJC 3 H2 Dist % dropping?
You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?
Your comment \"VJC general trend line is good\"- no justification. Nyjc,Dhs... also produced 90 pters so can use this statement too?
You want to praise, just do it. Dont praise n then throw a wet blanket at same time.
Dont be 'gu niang'. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935344\" time=\"1568522005\" user_id=\"97579:
\"VJC is in the 83s, 80 to 83 is a reasonable estimate (for both NJC and NYJC).\"
\"Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.\"edifice\" post_id=\"1935323\" time=\"1568481016\" user_id=\"181061:
Dude, IDK how u come up NY RP between 80-83. Haaha.
Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.
It's known NY RP better.
U better spend more time to give more advice to Ejc how to close up disparity gap between IP, JAE kids.
The baseless conclusion is called a negative skewed normal distribution. If median is 85, the mean RP would have to be left of 85. BTW, mommyNg is right that I shouldn't call them \"disingenuous\" (apologies to the choice of word) but she is also right that \"the mean can be skewed badly by a few outliers\". The challenge with NYJC is we don't know how long that tail stretches and thus, how badly the average may be affected. Considering that ACJC / TJC is in the 80s, and VJC is in the 83s, 80 to 83 is a reasonable estimate (for both NJC and NYJC).
\"It's known NY RP better.\"
It's not known. Do share if you know, most of us have been eagerly waiting for the 'known' number to change our mind. BTW, you aren't the first to stan for NYJC, and probably not the last, without being able to produce the numbers.
Again baseless assumption. Dont use ACJC/TJC 80 rp for Nyjc rp range.
Dont live in dinosaur time. No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better.
Probly you have no frds to share with you. -
theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935347\" time=\"1568523560\" user_id=\"181076:
\"Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want.\"
U int in numbers, go buy 4 D.
Its obvious Im referring to VJC last 3 yrs results, derrr. So no wrong statement on my pt.
Why dont you comment abt VJC 3 H2 Dist % dropping?
You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?
Your comment \"VJC general trend line is good\"- no justification. Nyjc,Dhs... also produced 90 pters so can use this statement too?
You want to praise, just do it. Dont praise n then throw a wet blanket at same time.
Dont be 'gu niang'.
I'll leave it at that.
If you want to stan for NYJC, you are definitely welcome to do so. However, would be better if you show up and say why the school is better rather than fall back on a \"he also what\" argument.
\"No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better. Probly you have no frds to share with you.\"
> Feel free to share the numbers - even those that you have heard and are unsubstantiated. While KSP forumers are avid number collectors and serious number crunchers, we are also not stubborn and would be willing to change our mind / opinion (p/s: we also know how a negative skewed normal distribution looks like). Unfortunately, what we have gotten so far over the years are lots of hyperbole statements and hearsay from people who are supposedly ITK, but never any details. If you don't have the numbers to back up your opinion, there's no shame in saying so. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935351\" time=\"1568524278\" user_id=\"97579:
\"Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want.\"theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935347\" time=\"1568523560\" user_id=\"181076:
U int in numbers, go buy 4 D.
Its obvious Im referring to VJC last 3 yrs results, derrr. So no wrong statement on my pt.
Why dont you comment abt VJC 3 H2 Dist % dropping?
You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?
Your comment \"VJC general trend line is good\"- no justification. Nyjc,Dhs... also produced 90 pters so can use this statement too?
You want to praise, just do it. Dont praise n then throw a wet blanket at same time.
Dont be 'gu niang'.
I'll leave it at that.
If you want to stan for NYJC, you are definitely welcome to do so. However, would be better if you show up and say why the school is better rather than fall back on a \"he also what\" argument.
\"No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better. Probly you have no frds to share with you.\"
> Feel free to share the numbers - even those that you have heard and are unsubstantiated. While KSP forumers are avid number collectors and serious number crunchers, we are also not stubborn and would be willing to change our mind / opinion. Unfortunately, what we have gotten so far over the years are lots of 'tua kang' statements and hearsay from people who are supposedly ITK, and nothing else. If you don't have the numbers to back up your opinion, there's no shame in saying so.
\"You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?\"
Reply my post lei...
Its you, living in de oldies, still waiting for num to pop out to show you. -
theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935353\" time=\"1568526298\" user_id=\"181076:
\"Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want.\"floppy\" post_id=\"1935351\" time=\"1568524278\" user_id=\"97579:
[quote=theladydatejust post_id=1935347 time=1568523560 user_id=181076]U int in numbers, go buy 4 D.
Its obvious Im referring to VJC last 3 yrs results, derrr. So no wrong statement on my pt.
Why dont you comment abt VJC 3 H2 Dist % dropping?
You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?
Your comment \"VJC general trend line is good\"- no justification. Nyjc,Dhs... also produced 90 pters so can use this statement too?
You want to praise, just do it. Dont praise n then throw a wet blanket at same time.
Dont be 'gu niang'.
I'll leave it at that.
If you want to stan for NYJC, you are definitely welcome to do so. However, would be better if you show up and say why the school is better rather than fall back on a \"he also what\" argument.
\"No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better. Probly you have no frds to share with you.\"
> Feel free to share the numbers - even those that you have heard and are unsubstantiated. While KSP forumers are avid number collectors and serious number crunchers, we are also not stubborn and would be willing to change our mind / opinion. Unfortunately, what we have gotten so far over the years are lots of 'tua kang' statements and hearsay from people who are supposedly ITK, and nothing else. If you don't have the numbers to back up your opinion, there's no shame in saying so.
\"You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?\"
Reply my post lei...
Its you, living in de oldies, still waiting for num to pop out to show you.[/quote]Read again:
I conclude that VJC median RP is between 83.6 and 87.5 (and if assume a split down the middle, median RP would be slightly > 85).
You can challenge the assumption if you like, but don't obfuscate that with the conclusion.
With the exception of EJC, all of the JC are producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less. I did said it is not a bad thing. As for EJC, I also said it could be a case of IP students pulling up the averages.
Lastly, if you want to stan for your school, by all means do so. I don't think it should be difficult for you to produce the numbers to back you up. I'm happy to wait for those numbers to pop out but I won't be holding my breath for sure. As per qms post from a couple of pages earlier, we have been waiting for years:qms\" post_id=\"1935202\" time=\"1568413482\" user_id=\"5718:
TBF, I don't think facts differ between an oldie or a strawberry.When you said non-IP JC, I suppose you were referring to NYJC? From where did you obtain information on this JC's results, in particular? Every year, you see a lot of discussion here whenever A level results are released and every year, nobody seems able to provide information on NYJC's results that enable fair comparison to other JCs.
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floppy\" post_id=\"1935355\" time=\"1568527661\" user_id=\"97579:
Read again:theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935353\" time=\"1568526298\" user_id=\"181076:
[quote=floppy post_id=1935351 time=1568524278 user_id=97579]
\"Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want.\"
I'll leave it at that.
If you want to stan for NYJC, you are definitely welcome to do so. However, would be better if you show up and say why the school is better rather than fall back on a \"he also what\" argument.
\"No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better. Probly you have no frds to share with you.\"
> Feel free to share the numbers - even those that you have heard and are unsubstantiated. While KSP forumers are avid number collectors and serious number crunchers, we are also not stubborn and would be willing to change our mind / opinion. Unfortunately, what we have gotten so far over the years are lots of 'tua kang' statements and hearsay from people who are supposedly ITK, and nothing else. If you don't have the numbers to back up your opinion, there's no shame in saying so.
\"You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?\"
Reply my post lei...
Its you, living in de oldies, still waiting for num to pop out to show you.
I conclude that VJC median RP is between 83.6 and 87.5 (and if assume a split down the middle, median RP would be slightly > 85).
You can challenge the assumption if you like, but don't obfuscate that with the conclusion.
With the exception of EJC, all of the JC are producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less. I did said it is not a bad thing. As for EJC, I also said it could be a case of IP students pulling up the averages.
Lastly, if you want to stan for your school, by all means do so. I don't think it should be difficult for you to produce the numbers to back you up. I'm happy to wait for those numbers to pop out but I won't be holding my breath for sure. As per qms post from a couple of pages earlier:qms\" post_id=\"1935202\" time=\"1568413482\" user_id=\"5718:
TBF, I don't think facts differ between an oldie or a strawberry.[/quote]Now you saidWhen you said non-IP JC, I suppose you were referring to NYJC? From where did you obtain information on this JC's results, in particular? Every year, you see a lot of discussion here whenever A level results are released and every year, nobody seems able to provide information on NYJC's results that enable fair comparison to other JCs.
\"all of the JC are producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less.\"
Earlier post on Nyjc was \" ..... BUT not outstanding\"
Aware of wat you said next time.
If you oldies wish to wait here in KSP for JCS results, then continue to wait.
No num shared in KSP doesnt mean no news shared outside. -
theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935356\" time=\"1568528735\" user_id=\"181076:
You should quote the sentence rather than pick and choose the parts you like.
Now you said
\"all of the JC are producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less.\"
Earlier post on Nyjc was \" ..... BUT not outstanding\"
Aware of wat you said next time.
\"NYJC median RP is good, but not outstanding (I'm also generally skeptical of rounded up / down whole numbers). It is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less (which isn't a bad thing).\"
The statement refers to NYJC since that was the discussion. Extrapolating the statement to the other JCs, it's still true.theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935356\" time=\"1568528735\" user_id=\"181076:
> In summary, you don't know what you are talking about but you are willing to try and BS your way through hoping no one knows. Classic \"I can't win, so I'm going to take my ball and go home\".If you oldies wish to wait here in KSP for JCS results, then continue to wait.
No num shared in KSP doesnt mean no news shared outside. -
You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?"
Why dont you comment abt this ah? Dont want say VJC not outstanding ah or?
How abt VJC dropping 3 H2 A%?
No comment ah too?
You very gd advisor. Wats up?
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