* Eunoia JC (EJC)
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floppy\" post_id=\"1935286\" time=\"1568458687\" user_id=\"97579:
Thanks floppy!
Yes.mommyNg\" post_id=\"1935277\" time=\"1568455204\" user_id=\"2838:
P.s. just checking, those who entered EJC’s with COP 9/9, are they the same or different batch with those who RP mean = 82.4?
2018 results
2017 COP -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935217\" time=\"1568430966\" user_id=\"97579:
I've looked it up: https://www.cocotutors.com/average-rank-points-rp-of-junior-colleges-across-sg/edifice\" post_id=\"1935213\" time=\"1568425200\" user_id=\"181061:[quote=edifice post_id=1935213 time=1568425200 user_id=181061]
Dude, if u deemed Nyjc as abv avg based on cop, then JCS VJC, NJC, EJC n lower cop JCS re only Avg JCS too.
If based on results, Nyjc RP is abv EJC ( u go find out ), then EJC is considered Avg JC too.
VJC average RP is 83.8.
VJC COP is 7 /5.
NJC median RP is 84.4*
NJC COP is 7 / 6.
NYJC median RP is 85**
NYJC COP is 7 / 6.
ACJC average RP is 80.9.
ACJC COP is 8 / 7.
EJC average RP is 82.4.
EJC COP is 9 / 9.
TJC average RP is 80 (cohort), 83 (IP)
TJC COP is 9 / 9.
*Median =/= Average. Average is always going to be lower than median for A Levels.
**Should be median not average... but I'll fix that for them.
On the premise, NYJC median RP is good, but not outstanding (I'm also generally skeptical of rounded up / down whole numbers). It is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less (which isn't a bad thing). EJC, on the other hand, has good reasons to be proud of itself. It's performing better than JCs with similar COP - it is punching above it's weight (but it could also be a case of IP students pulling up the averages). I see both JC as above average JC BUT given the room to grow, there's definitely more upside to EJC than NYJC in the mid / long run.
Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want... and you aren't the first NYJC stan trying to 'big' the JC here.
P/S: All these talk about VJC and NJC dropping out of the top rankings are premature. That said, given the general trend, there's a good case to be made for TJC not being a top JC anymore. VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good, and it did produce 1 of the 4 President Scholars last year. Therefore, it could very well be a small handful of students (or even 1 student) not putting in their weight last year (pulling down the average).
P/P/S: The term \"Big 5\" used to be meaningful when there are 20 schools of similar size (18 JCs and 2 Institutes) offering A Level or equivalent. Today, there are only 19 such schools, including 2 IB schools and 2 ‘special’ schools with much smaller cohort than a typical JC.
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Dude, IDK how u come up NY RP between 80-83. Haaha.
Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.
It’s known NY RP better.
U better spend more time to give more advice to Ejc how to close up disparity gap between IP, JAE kids. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935217\" time=\"1568430966\" user_id=\"97579:
U sound like \" Mr Know All \" + biased towards certain JC.
I've looked it up: https://www.cocotutors.com/average-rank-points-rp-of-junior-colleges-across-sg/edifice\" post_id=\"1935213\" time=\"1568425200\" user_id=\"181061:
Dude, if u deemed Nyjc as abv avg based on cop, then JCS VJC, NJC, EJC n lower cop JCS re only Avg JCS too.
If based on results, Nyjc RP is abv EJC ( u go find out ), then EJC is considered Avg JC too.
VJC average RP is 83.8.
VJC COP is 7 /5.
NJC median RP is 84.4*
NJC COP is 7 / 6.
NYJC median RP is 85**
NYJC COP is 7 / 6.
ACJC average RP is 80.9.
ACJC COP is 8 / 7.
EJC average RP is 82.4.
EJC COP is 9 / 9.
TJC average RP is 80 (cohort), 83 (IP)
TJC COP is 9 / 9.
*Median =/= Average. Average is always going to be lower than median for A Levels.
**Should be median not average... but I'll fix that for them.
On the premise, NYJC median RP is good, but not outstanding (I'm also generally skeptical of rounded up / down whole numbers). It is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less (which isn't a bad thing). EJC, on the other hand, has good reasons to be proud of itself. It's performing better than JCs with similar COP - it is punching above it's weight (but it could also be a case of IP students pulling up the averages). I see both JC as above average JC BUT given the room to grow, there's definitely more upside to EJC than NYJC in the mid / long run.
Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want... and you aren't the first NYJC stan trying to 'big' the JC here.
P/S: All these talk about VJC and NJC dropping out of the top rankings are premature. That said, given the general trend, there's a good case to be made for TJC not being a top JC anymore. VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good, and it did produce 1 of the 4 President Scholars last year. Therefore, it could very well be a small handful of students (or even 1 student) not putting in their weight last year (pulling down the average).
P/P/S: The term \"Big 5\" used to be meaningful when there are 20 schools of similar size (18 JCs and 2 Institutes) offering A Level or equivalent. Today, there are only 19 such schools, including 2 IB schools and 2 ‘special’ schools with much smaller cohort than a typical JC.
Why you never fix VJC actual rp to 83.6? You knew its rp but choose to act blur.
\"Nyjc Median > 85 is gd but not outstanding to u\", then which jcs are outstanding to you?
Gd is enough dont need outstanding.
\"Based on cop you said, Nyjc is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP.\"
So ACJC, VJC, NJC, TJC arent producing results as expected, right to say?
RI, HCI very gd results expected as take in cream of crop students, so nothing outstanding izit?
VJC produced 1 Pres Scholar. Well, its expected as its IP jc and potential is there.
Its obvious VJC std dropping, but come up excuses like small handful vjcian not putting in weight blr blr blr....
VJC A Level 3 H2 Distinctions:
2016( ard 50% )
2017( ard 47%)
2018( 44.6%)
Rp dropping yearly too.
You want to be advisor, first be fair and learn to earn pple's respect. -
"Mr Know All"?
> Hardly but I look at the numbers and comment accordingly. If you want to stan for other JC, feel free to put up the numbers.
Biased towards certain JC.
> Given that I neither studied in VJC, EJC nor NYJC, no reason to like / dislike any of them. It’s just the numbers that I’m interested in.
Now… "Its obvious VJC std dropping"
> These are VJC mean rank points over the last 5 years:
2014 (class of 2013, COP 6 / 5): 83.8
2015 (class of 2014, COP 6 / 5): 84
2016 (class of 2015, COP 6 / 5): 84.4 (n.b. VJC best performance in 10 years)
2017 (class of 2016, COP 7 / 5): 83.7
2018 (class of 2017, COP 7 / 5): 83.6 (let’s fix that for ya)
"Rp dropping yearly too" is a factually wrong statement (unless you are only considering a narrow 3-year window).
Comparing 2018 examination results with the other 4 years:
2014: down 0.2 ppt
2015: down 0.4 ppt
2016: down 0.9 ppt
2017: down 0.1 ppt
2018 result is less than 1% drop even against ‘VJC best performance in 10 years’. That’s hardly a doomsday’s scenario. I stand by my statement: "VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good".
Lastly, with regard to median:
2017 (class of 2016): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
2018 (class of 2017): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
Not much shared by VJC but together with the mean RP and a negative skewed distribution, enough for us to conclude that VJC median RP is between 83.6 and 87.5 (and if you assume a split down the middle, median RP would be slightly > 85). -
edifice\" post_id=\"1935323\" time=\"1568481016\" user_id=\"181061:
\"Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.\"
Dude, IDK how u come up NY RP between 80-83. Haaha.
Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.
It's known NY RP better.
U better spend more time to give more advice to Ejc how to close up disparity gap between IP, JAE kids.
The baseless conclusion is called a negative skewed normal distribution. If median is 85, the mean RP would have to be left of 85. BTW, mommyNg is right that I shouldn't call them \"disingenuous\" (apologies to the choice of word) but she is also right that \"the mean can be skewed badly by a few outliers\". The challenge with NYJC is we don't know how long that tail stretches and thus, how badly the average may be affected. Considering that ACJC / TJC is in the 80s, and VJC is in the 83s, 80 to 83 is a reasonable estimate (for both NJC and NYJC).
\"It's known NY RP better.\"
It's not known. Do share if you know, most of us have been eagerly waiting for the 'known' number to change our mind. BTW, you aren't the first to stan for NYJC, and probably not the last, without being able to produce the numbers. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935339\" time=\"1568520961\" user_id=\"97579:
U int in numbers, go buy 4 D.
\"Mr Know All\"?
> Hardly but I look at the numbers and comment accordingly. If you want to stan for other JC, feel free to put up the numbers.
Biased towards certain JC.
> Given that I neither studied in VJC, EJC nor NYJC, no reason to like / dislike any of them. It's just the numbers that I'm interested in.
Now... \"Its obvious VJC std dropping\"
> These are VJC mean rank points over the last 5 years:
2014 (class of 2013, COP 6 / 5): 83.8
2015 (class of 2014, COP 6 / 5): 84
2016 (class of 2015, COP 6 / 5): 84.4 (n.b. VJC best performance in 10 years)
2017 (class of 2016, COP 7 / 5): 83.7
2018 (class of 2017, COP 7 / 5): 83.6 (let's fix that for ya)
\"Rp dropping yearly too\" is a factually wrong statement (unless you are only considering a narrow 3-year window).
Comparing 2018 examination results with the other 4 years:
2014: down 0.2 ppt
2015: down 0.4 ppt
2016: down 0.9 ppt
2017: down 0.1 ppt
2018 result is less than 1% drop even against 'VJC best performance in 10 years'. That's hardly a doomsday's scenario. I stand by my statement: \"VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good\".
Lastly, with regard to median:
2017 (class of 2016): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
2018 (class of 2017): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
Not much shared by VJC but together with the mean RP and a negative skewed distribution, enough for us to conclude that VJC median RP is between 83.6 and 87.5 (and if you assume a split down the middle, median RP would be > 85).
Its obvious Im referring to VJC last 3 yrs results, derrr. So no wrong statement on my pt.
Why dont you comment abt VJC 3 H2 Dist % dropping?
You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?
Your comment \"VJC general trend line is good\"- no justification. Nyjc,Dhs... also produced 90 pters so can use this statement too?
You want to praise, just do it. Dont praise n then throw a wet blanket at same time.
Dont be 'gu niang'. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935344\" time=\"1568522005\" user_id=\"97579:
\"VJC is in the 83s, 80 to 83 is a reasonable estimate (for both NJC and NYJC).\"
\"Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.\"edifice\" post_id=\"1935323\" time=\"1568481016\" user_id=\"181061:
Dude, IDK how u come up NY RP between 80-83. Haaha.
Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.
It's known NY RP better.
U better spend more time to give more advice to Ejc how to close up disparity gap between IP, JAE kids.
The baseless conclusion is called a negative skewed normal distribution. If median is 85, the mean RP would have to be left of 85. BTW, mommyNg is right that I shouldn't call them \"disingenuous\" (apologies to the choice of word) but she is also right that \"the mean can be skewed badly by a few outliers\". The challenge with NYJC is we don't know how long that tail stretches and thus, how badly the average may be affected. Considering that ACJC / TJC is in the 80s, and VJC is in the 83s, 80 to 83 is a reasonable estimate (for both NJC and NYJC).
\"It's known NY RP better.\"
It's not known. Do share if you know, most of us have been eagerly waiting for the 'known' number to change our mind. BTW, you aren't the first to stan for NYJC, and probably not the last, without being able to produce the numbers.
Again baseless assumption. Dont use ACJC/TJC 80 rp for Nyjc rp range.
Dont live in dinosaur time. No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better.
Probly you have no frds to share with you. -
theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935347\" time=\"1568523560\" user_id=\"181076:
\"Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want.\"
U int in numbers, go buy 4 D.
Its obvious Im referring to VJC last 3 yrs results, derrr. So no wrong statement on my pt.
Why dont you comment abt VJC 3 H2 Dist % dropping?
You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?
Your comment \"VJC general trend line is good\"- no justification. Nyjc,Dhs... also produced 90 pters so can use this statement too?
You want to praise, just do it. Dont praise n then throw a wet blanket at same time.
Dont be 'gu niang'.
I'll leave it at that.
If you want to stan for NYJC, you are definitely welcome to do so. However, would be better if you show up and say why the school is better rather than fall back on a \"he also what\" argument.
\"No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better. Probly you have no frds to share with you.\"
> Feel free to share the numbers - even those that you have heard and are unsubstantiated. While KSP forumers are avid number collectors and serious number crunchers, we are also not stubborn and would be willing to change our mind / opinion (p/s: we also know how a negative skewed normal distribution looks like). Unfortunately, what we have gotten so far over the years are lots of hyperbole statements and hearsay from people who are supposedly ITK, but never any details. If you don't have the numbers to back up your opinion, there's no shame in saying so. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935351\" time=\"1568524278\" user_id=\"97579:
\"Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want.\"theladydatejust\" post_id=\"1935347\" time=\"1568523560\" user_id=\"181076:
U int in numbers, go buy 4 D.
Its obvious Im referring to VJC last 3 yrs results, derrr. So no wrong statement on my pt.
Why dont you comment abt VJC 3 H2 Dist % dropping?
You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?
Your comment \"VJC general trend line is good\"- no justification. Nyjc,Dhs... also produced 90 pters so can use this statement too?
You want to praise, just do it. Dont praise n then throw a wet blanket at same time.
Dont be 'gu niang'.
I'll leave it at that.
If you want to stan for NYJC, you are definitely welcome to do so. However, would be better if you show up and say why the school is better rather than fall back on a \"he also what\" argument.
\"No num shared on Nyjc doesnt mean nobody kn its rough rp wh is better. Probly you have no frds to share with you.\"
> Feel free to share the numbers - even those that you have heard and are unsubstantiated. While KSP forumers are avid number collectors and serious number crunchers, we are also not stubborn and would be willing to change our mind / opinion. Unfortunately, what we have gotten so far over the years are lots of 'tua kang' statements and hearsay from people who are supposedly ITK, and nothing else. If you don't have the numbers to back up your opinion, there's no shame in saying so.
\"You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?\"
Reply my post lei...
Its you, living in de oldies, still waiting for num to pop out to show you.
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