* Eunoia JC (EJC)
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NotEducatedMan\" post_id=\"1935265\" time=\"1568449022\" user_id=\"98110:
Firstly, it's fair to include NYJC in the comparison list. It doesn't really matter that the majority of the students take 3H2 or 4H2. If 3H2 'improves' the RP, I would say it's a smart choice (for both school and student). It's no different for schools / students having O Levels. For some of the better schools, the students could be taking up to 8 subjects with mostly 'pure' subjects whereas student in the other schools may have only 6 or 7 subjects including several combined subjects or 'soft' subjects like D&T, F&A, etc. Ultimately, only L1R5 matters (6A1 and 8A1 get you the same score) and you don't get a discount for attempting the harder 'pure' subjects.
In the first place, NYJC should not be in the comparison list, as according to my DS fren who’s a student there told him that majority of their students taking 3H2 instead of 4H2.
Therefore their RP results will tend to “looks nicer”.
Moreover, it shown median Instead of average RP.
I believed after “some adjustments” NYJC “average RP” will probably be like 83.x after taking into consideration of the above mentioned if really need to compare her with the rest of the IPJCs, which is considered very good too.
On the other hand, is way too early to judge the performance of EJC based on their first A-level results from their 1st Pioneer batch.
They did not have a senior batch to guide/helped them, and majority of their students had devoted their time & effort to set up the holding school, house T-shirt, etc etc.
Now the school are expecting their 2nd (current) batch to performance better than their 1st batch..
TBH, it's hard to draw any meaningful comparison or data from median or mean RP. The average RP for NYJC or NJC based on a median of 85 could be anywhere between 80.* to 84.*. Unless you know how long the tail runs (given that top is bounded by max score of 90, low is 0 - from 85 to 0, that's a wide area to cover!), it is impossible to tell, i.e. a handful of poor performing students could drag down your averages by a lot. Using median instead of mean is a disingenuous way of hiding those numbers :siam: ***
*** Nonetheless, if we assume VJC average is not a blip, and ACJC's 80.9 and TJC's 80 are not outliers... then I would probably guess NJC / NYJC average RP as somewhere between 81 and 83. EJC would be right in the mix. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935272\" time=\"1568452797\" user_id=\"97579:
Sorry, I don’t think it is fair to say that those who reported median instead of mean are definitely using it as a disingenuous way of hiding “those” numbers (implying intent). In statistics, the median is just as respected a statistics as the mean. In fact, median is a good way to understand how half of the cohort performed. The mean can be skewed badly by a few outliers.
TBH, it's hard to draw any meaningful comparison or data from median or mean RP. The average RP for NYJC or NJC based on a median of 85 could be anywhere between 80.* to 84.*. Unless you know how long the tail runs (given that top is bounded by max score of 90, low is 0 - from 85 to 0, that's a wide area to cover!), it is impossible to tell, i.e. a handful of poor performing students could drag down your averages by a lot. Using median instead of mean is a disingenuous way of hiding those numbers :siam: ***
As a parent, I would rather the school report median than mean, so that I know where the 50th percentile (half the cohort) lies....
P.s. just checking, those who entered EJC’s with COP 9/9, are they the same or different batch with those who RP mean = 82.4? -
mommyNg\" post_id=\"1935277\" time=\"1568455204\" user_id=\"2838:
Yes.
P.s. just checking, those who entered EJC’s with COP 9/9, are they the same or different batch with those who RP mean = 82.4?
2018 results
2017 COP -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935286\" time=\"1568458687\" user_id=\"97579:
Thanks floppy!
Yes.mommyNg\" post_id=\"1935277\" time=\"1568455204\" user_id=\"2838:
P.s. just checking, those who entered EJC’s with COP 9/9, are they the same or different batch with those who RP mean = 82.4?
2018 results
2017 COP -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935217\" time=\"1568430966\" user_id=\"97579:
I've looked it up: https://www.cocotutors.com/average-rank-points-rp-of-junior-colleges-across-sg/edifice\" post_id=\"1935213\" time=\"1568425200\" user_id=\"181061:[quote=edifice post_id=1935213 time=1568425200 user_id=181061]
Dude, if u deemed Nyjc as abv avg based on cop, then JCS VJC, NJC, EJC n lower cop JCS re only Avg JCS too.
If based on results, Nyjc RP is abv EJC ( u go find out ), then EJC is considered Avg JC too.
VJC average RP is 83.8.
VJC COP is 7 /5.
NJC median RP is 84.4*
NJC COP is 7 / 6.
NYJC median RP is 85**
NYJC COP is 7 / 6.
ACJC average RP is 80.9.
ACJC COP is 8 / 7.
EJC average RP is 82.4.
EJC COP is 9 / 9.
TJC average RP is 80 (cohort), 83 (IP)
TJC COP is 9 / 9.
*Median =/= Average. Average is always going to be lower than median for A Levels.
**Should be median not average... but I'll fix that for them.
On the premise, NYJC median RP is good, but not outstanding (I'm also generally skeptical of rounded up / down whole numbers). It is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less (which isn't a bad thing). EJC, on the other hand, has good reasons to be proud of itself. It's performing better than JCs with similar COP - it is punching above it's weight (but it could also be a case of IP students pulling up the averages). I see both JC as above average JC BUT given the room to grow, there's definitely more upside to EJC than NYJC in the mid / long run.
Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want... and you aren't the first NYJC stan trying to 'big' the JC here.
P/S: All these talk about VJC and NJC dropping out of the top rankings are premature. That said, given the general trend, there's a good case to be made for TJC not being a top JC anymore. VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good, and it did produce 1 of the 4 President Scholars last year. Therefore, it could very well be a small handful of students (or even 1 student) not putting in their weight last year (pulling down the average).
P/P/S: The term \"Big 5\" used to be meaningful when there are 20 schools of similar size (18 JCs and 2 Institutes) offering A Level or equivalent. Today, there are only 19 such schools, including 2 IB schools and 2 ‘special’ schools with much smaller cohort than a typical JC.
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Dude, IDK how u come up NY RP between 80-83. Haaha.
Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.
It’s known NY RP better.
U better spend more time to give more advice to Ejc how to close up disparity gap between IP, JAE kids. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935217\" time=\"1568430966\" user_id=\"97579:
U sound like \" Mr Know All \" + biased towards certain JC.
I've looked it up: https://www.cocotutors.com/average-rank-points-rp-of-junior-colleges-across-sg/edifice\" post_id=\"1935213\" time=\"1568425200\" user_id=\"181061:
Dude, if u deemed Nyjc as abv avg based on cop, then JCS VJC, NJC, EJC n lower cop JCS re only Avg JCS too.
If based on results, Nyjc RP is abv EJC ( u go find out ), then EJC is considered Avg JC too.
VJC average RP is 83.8.
VJC COP is 7 /5.
NJC median RP is 84.4*
NJC COP is 7 / 6.
NYJC median RP is 85**
NYJC COP is 7 / 6.
ACJC average RP is 80.9.
ACJC COP is 8 / 7.
EJC average RP is 82.4.
EJC COP is 9 / 9.
TJC average RP is 80 (cohort), 83 (IP)
TJC COP is 9 / 9.
*Median =/= Average. Average is always going to be lower than median for A Levels.
**Should be median not average... but I'll fix that for them.
On the premise, NYJC median RP is good, but not outstanding (I'm also generally skeptical of rounded up / down whole numbers). It is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less (which isn't a bad thing). EJC, on the other hand, has good reasons to be proud of itself. It's performing better than JCs with similar COP - it is punching above it's weight (but it could also be a case of IP students pulling up the averages). I see both JC as above average JC BUT given the room to grow, there's definitely more upside to EJC than NYJC in the mid / long run.
Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want... and you aren't the first NYJC stan trying to 'big' the JC here.
P/S: All these talk about VJC and NJC dropping out of the top rankings are premature. That said, given the general trend, there's a good case to be made for TJC not being a top JC anymore. VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good, and it did produce 1 of the 4 President Scholars last year. Therefore, it could very well be a small handful of students (or even 1 student) not putting in their weight last year (pulling down the average).
P/P/S: The term \"Big 5\" used to be meaningful when there are 20 schools of similar size (18 JCs and 2 Institutes) offering A Level or equivalent. Today, there are only 19 such schools, including 2 IB schools and 2 ‘special’ schools with much smaller cohort than a typical JC.
Why you never fix VJC actual rp to 83.6? You knew its rp but choose to act blur.
\"Nyjc Median > 85 is gd but not outstanding to u\", then which jcs are outstanding to you?
Gd is enough dont need outstanding.
\"Based on cop you said, Nyjc is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP.\"
So ACJC, VJC, NJC, TJC arent producing results as expected, right to say?
RI, HCI very gd results expected as take in cream of crop students, so nothing outstanding izit?
VJC produced 1 Pres Scholar. Well, its expected as its IP jc and potential is there.
Its obvious VJC std dropping, but come up excuses like small handful vjcian not putting in weight blr blr blr....
VJC A Level 3 H2 Distinctions:
2016( ard 50% )
2017( ard 47%)
2018( 44.6%)
Rp dropping yearly too.
You want to be advisor, first be fair and learn to earn pple's respect. -
"Mr Know All"?
> Hardly but I look at the numbers and comment accordingly. If you want to stan for other JC, feel free to put up the numbers.
Biased towards certain JC.
> Given that I neither studied in VJC, EJC nor NYJC, no reason to like / dislike any of them. It’s just the numbers that I’m interested in.
Now… "Its obvious VJC std dropping"
> These are VJC mean rank points over the last 5 years:
2014 (class of 2013, COP 6 / 5): 83.8
2015 (class of 2014, COP 6 / 5): 84
2016 (class of 2015, COP 6 / 5): 84.4 (n.b. VJC best performance in 10 years)
2017 (class of 2016, COP 7 / 5): 83.7
2018 (class of 2017, COP 7 / 5): 83.6 (let’s fix that for ya)
"Rp dropping yearly too" is a factually wrong statement (unless you are only considering a narrow 3-year window).
Comparing 2018 examination results with the other 4 years:
2014: down 0.2 ppt
2015: down 0.4 ppt
2016: down 0.9 ppt
2017: down 0.1 ppt
2018 result is less than 1% drop even against ‘VJC best performance in 10 years’. That’s hardly a doomsday’s scenario. I stand by my statement: "VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good".
Lastly, with regard to median:
2017 (class of 2016): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
2018 (class of 2017): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
Not much shared by VJC but together with the mean RP and a negative skewed distribution, enough for us to conclude that VJC median RP is between 83.6 and 87.5 (and if you assume a split down the middle, median RP would be slightly > 85). -
edifice\" post_id=\"1935323\" time=\"1568481016\" user_id=\"181061:
\"Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.\"
Dude, IDK how u come up NY RP between 80-83. Haaha.
Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.
It's known NY RP better.
U better spend more time to give more advice to Ejc how to close up disparity gap between IP, JAE kids.
The baseless conclusion is called a negative skewed normal distribution. If median is 85, the mean RP would have to be left of 85. BTW, mommyNg is right that I shouldn't call them \"disingenuous\" (apologies to the choice of word) but she is also right that \"the mean can be skewed badly by a few outliers\". The challenge with NYJC is we don't know how long that tail stretches and thus, how badly the average may be affected. Considering that ACJC / TJC is in the 80s, and VJC is in the 83s, 80 to 83 is a reasonable estimate (for both NJC and NYJC).
\"It's known NY RP better.\"
It's not known. Do share if you know, most of us have been eagerly waiting for the 'known' number to change our mind. BTW, you aren't the first to stan for NYJC, and probably not the last, without being able to produce the numbers. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935339\" time=\"1568520961\" user_id=\"97579:
U int in numbers, go buy 4 D.
\"Mr Know All\"?
> Hardly but I look at the numbers and comment accordingly. If you want to stan for other JC, feel free to put up the numbers.
Biased towards certain JC.
> Given that I neither studied in VJC, EJC nor NYJC, no reason to like / dislike any of them. It's just the numbers that I'm interested in.
Now... \"Its obvious VJC std dropping\"
> These are VJC mean rank points over the last 5 years:
2014 (class of 2013, COP 6 / 5): 83.8
2015 (class of 2014, COP 6 / 5): 84
2016 (class of 2015, COP 6 / 5): 84.4 (n.b. VJC best performance in 10 years)
2017 (class of 2016, COP 7 / 5): 83.7
2018 (class of 2017, COP 7 / 5): 83.6 (let's fix that for ya)
\"Rp dropping yearly too\" is a factually wrong statement (unless you are only considering a narrow 3-year window).
Comparing 2018 examination results with the other 4 years:
2014: down 0.2 ppt
2015: down 0.4 ppt
2016: down 0.9 ppt
2017: down 0.1 ppt
2018 result is less than 1% drop even against 'VJC best performance in 10 years'. That's hardly a doomsday's scenario. I stand by my statement: \"VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good\".
Lastly, with regard to median:
2017 (class of 2016): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
2018 (class of 2017): 2 out of 5 > 87.5
Not much shared by VJC but together with the mean RP and a negative skewed distribution, enough for us to conclude that VJC median RP is between 83.6 and 87.5 (and if you assume a split down the middle, median RP would be > 85).
Its obvious Im referring to VJC last 3 yrs results, derrr. So no wrong statement on my pt.
Why dont you comment abt VJC 3 H2 Dist % dropping?
You concluded VJC median RP >85, thats similiar to Nyjc.
This batch VJC graduates cop was 7/5, so wats your comment???
Nyjc cop 7/6 you said gd but not outstanding.
So VJC median smiliar to Nyjc but cop 7/5, will be no value added or no gd or not as gd as expected?
Your comment \"VJC general trend line is good\"- no justification. Nyjc,Dhs... also produced 90 pters so can use this statement too?
You want to praise, just do it. Dont praise n then throw a wet blanket at same time.
Dont be 'gu niang'.
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