* Eunoia JC (EJC)
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edifice\" post_id=\"1935201\" time=\"1568412859\" user_id=\"181061:
I say EJC will definitely attract a large number of students who would otherwise have considered ASRJC. ASRJC acad std is avg.
What I find interesting about EJC new campus... is that it's catchment will overlap significantly with RI, ASRJC and NYJC.floppy\" post_id=\"1935197\" time=\"1568397357\" user_id=\"97579:
[quote=ilovelaksa post_id=1935083 time=1568315024 user_id=88602]
For EJC, the proportions for IP and JAE might change when the new campus is up and running.
Given that their IP intake is probably fixed already, there could be an increase in JAE intake.
I am not sure of the size of their current campus. But the new one is huge.
RI is probably in a class of its own at the moment, but I believe EJC may attract a large number of students who would otherwise have considered NYJC.
NYJC....nah idts.....EJC first has to solve its IP/JAE social gap I read as its an issue now before attracting more JAEs.
EJC SCI dept std is a concern too.[/quote]Well, EJC will definitely attract the better of ASRJC students. However, 12/11 vs 10/9 is still a gap. NYJC 7/6 students could very well decide that a newer JC is worth the try. NYJC 9/8 students, ie affiliated students, may decide to stay put.
While NYJC (with no offense to the NYJC stan) is an above average JC today, it hasn’t solidify its position as an outstanding one despite it’s head start. I expect to see it’s shine fade and it could well follow the footsteps of the old AJC when the newer JC comes to town. I would also wager a bet that EJC is more likely to produce a President Scholar before NYJC does.
As for social gap, it’s not a deep rooted problem. JC is only a 1.5 to 2 years journey, things change quickly. If the problem is with integration at orientation etc, that could be rectify easily. It’s just part of the growing up pains of being a new JC. EJC, unlike others, is a “product” of 3 secondary schools’ IP. The other IP JCs like RI/RGS, TCHS/NYGH, VS/CGSS, etc had a long history of partnership but the 3 feeder schools for EJC have very little in common. The decision to integrate the IP students first is probably a reflection of this reality. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935197\" time=\"1568397357\" user_id=\"97579:
Well, EJC will definitely attract the better of ASRJC students. However, 12/11 vs 10/9 is still a gap. NYJC 7/6 students could very well decide that a newer JC is worth the try. NYJC 9/8 students, ie affiliated students, may decide to stay put.
What I find interesting about EJC new campus... is that it's catchment will overlap significantly with RI, ASRJC and NYJC.
RI is probably in a class of its own at the moment, but I believe EJC may attract a large number of students who would otherwise have considered NYJC.
While NYJC (with no offense to the NYJC stan) is an above average JC today, it hasn’t solidify its position as an outstanding one despite it’s head start. I expect to see it’s shine fade and it could well follow the footsteps of the old AJC when the newer JC comes to town. I would also wager a bet that EJC is more likely to produce a President Scholar before NYJC does.
As for social gap, it’s not a deep rooted problem. JC is only a 1.5 to 2 years journey, things change quickly. If the problem is with integration at orientation etc, that could be rectify easily. It’s just part of the growing up pains of being a new JC. EJC, unlike others, is a “product” of 3 secondary schools’ IP. The other IP JCs like RI/RGS, TCHS/NYGH, VS/CGSS, etc had a long history of partnership but the 3 feeder schools for EJC have very little in common. The decision to integrate the IP students first is probably a reflection of this reality.
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Dude, if u deemed Nyjc as abv avg based on cop, then JCS VJC, NJC, EJC n lower cop JCS re only Avg JCS too.
If based on results, Nyjc RP is abv EJC ( u go find out ), then EJC is considered Avg JC too. -
edifice\" post_id=\"1935213\" time=\"1568425200\" user_id=\"181061:
I've looked it up: https://www.cocotutors.com/average-rank-points-rp-of-junior-colleges-across-sg/
Dude, if u deemed Nyjc as abv avg based on cop, then JCS VJC, NJC, EJC n lower cop JCS re only Avg JCS too.
If based on results, Nyjc RP is abv EJC ( u go find out ), then EJC is considered Avg JC too.
VJC average RP is 83.8.
VJC COP is 7 /5.
NJC median RP is 84.4*
NJC COP is 7 / 6.
NYJC median RP is 85**
NYJC COP is 7 / 6.
ACJC average RP is 80.9.
ACJC COP is 8 / 7.
EJC average RP is 82.4.
EJC COP is 9 / 9.
TJC average RP is 80 (cohort), 83 (IP)
TJC COP is 9 / 9.
*Median =/= Average. Average is always going to be lower than median for A Levels.
**Should be median not average... but I'll fix that for them.
On the premise, NYJC median RP is good, but not outstanding (I'm also generally skeptical of rounded up / down whole numbers). It is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less (which isn't a bad thing). EJC, on the other hand, has good reasons to be proud of itself. It's performing better than JCs with similar COP - it is punching above it's weight (but it could also be a case of IP students pulling up the averages). I see both JC as above average JC BUT given the room to grow, there's definitely more upside to EJC than NYJC in the mid / long run.
Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want... and you aren't the first NYJC stan trying to 'big' the JC here.
P/S: All these talk about VJC and NJC dropping out of the top rankings are premature. That said, given the general trend, there's a good case to be made for TJC not being a top JC anymore. VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good, and it did produce 1 of the 4 President Scholars last year. Therefore, it could very well be a small handful of students (or even 1 student) not putting in their weight last year (pulling down the average).
P/P/S: The term \"Big 5\" used to be meaningful when there are 20 schools of similar size (18 JCs and 2 Institutes) offering A Level or equivalent. Today, there are only 19 such schools, including 2 IB schools and 2 ‘special’ schools with much smaller cohort than a typical JC. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935217\" time=\"1568430966\" user_id=\"97579:
In the first place, NYJC should not be in the comparison list, as according to my DS fren who’s a student there told him that majority of their students taking 3H2 instead of 4H2.
I've looked it up: https://www.cocotutors.com/average-rank-points-rp-of-junior-colleges-across-sg/
VJC average RP is 83.8.
VJC COP is 7 /5.
NJC median RP is 84.4*
NJC COP is 7 / 6.
NYJC median RP is 85**
NYJC COP is 7 / 6.
ACJC average RP is 80.9.
ACJC COP is 8 / 7.
EJC average RP is 82.4.
EJC COP is 9 / 9.
TJC average RP is 80 (cohort), 83 (IP)
TJC COP is 9 / 9.
*Median =/= Average. Average is always going to be lower than median for A Levels.
**Should be median not average... but I'll fix that for them.
On the premise, NYJC median RP is good, but not outstanding (I'm also generally skeptical of rounded up / down whole numbers).......
Therefore their RP results will tend to “looks nicer”.
Moreover, it shown median Instead of average RP.
I believed after “some adjustments” NYJC “average RP” will probably be like 83.x after taking into consideration of the above mentioned if really need to compare her with the rest of the IPJCs, which is considered very good too.
On the other hand, is way too early to judge the performance of EJC based on their first A-level results from their 1st Pioneer batch.
They did not have a senior batch to guide/helped them, and majority of their students had devoted lots of their time & effort to set up the holding school, house T-shirt, etc etc.
Now the school are expecting their 2nd (current) batch to performance better than their 1st batch.. -
NotEducatedMan\" post_id=\"1935265\" time=\"1568449022\" user_id=\"98110:
Firstly, it's fair to include NYJC in the comparison list. It doesn't really matter that the majority of the students take 3H2 or 4H2. If 3H2 'improves' the RP, I would say it's a smart choice (for both school and student). It's no different for schools / students having O Levels. For some of the better schools, the students could be taking up to 8 subjects with mostly 'pure' subjects whereas student in the other schools may have only 6 or 7 subjects including several combined subjects or 'soft' subjects like D&T, F&A, etc. Ultimately, only L1R5 matters (6A1 and 8A1 get you the same score) and you don't get a discount for attempting the harder 'pure' subjects.
In the first place, NYJC should not be in the comparison list, as according to my DS fren who’s a student there told him that majority of their students taking 3H2 instead of 4H2.
Therefore their RP results will tend to “looks nicer”.
Moreover, it shown median Instead of average RP.
I believed after “some adjustments” NYJC “average RP” will probably be like 83.x after taking into consideration of the above mentioned if really need to compare her with the rest of the IPJCs, which is considered very good too.
On the other hand, is way too early to judge the performance of EJC based on their first A-level results from their 1st Pioneer batch.
They did not have a senior batch to guide/helped them, and majority of their students had devoted their time & effort to set up the holding school, house T-shirt, etc etc.
Now the school are expecting their 2nd (current) batch to performance better than their 1st batch..
TBH, it's hard to draw any meaningful comparison or data from median or mean RP. The average RP for NYJC or NJC based on a median of 85 could be anywhere between 80.* to 84.*. Unless you know how long the tail runs (given that top is bounded by max score of 90, low is 0 - from 85 to 0, that's a wide area to cover!), it is impossible to tell, i.e. a handful of poor performing students could drag down your averages by a lot. Using median instead of mean is a disingenuous way of hiding those numbers :siam: ***
*** Nonetheless, if we assume VJC average is not a blip, and ACJC's 80.9 and TJC's 80 are not outliers... then I would probably guess NJC / NYJC average RP as somewhere between 81 and 83. EJC would be right in the mix. -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935272\" time=\"1568452797\" user_id=\"97579:
Sorry, I don’t think it is fair to say that those who reported median instead of mean are definitely using it as a disingenuous way of hiding “those” numbers (implying intent). In statistics, the median is just as respected a statistics as the mean. In fact, median is a good way to understand how half of the cohort performed. The mean can be skewed badly by a few outliers.
TBH, it's hard to draw any meaningful comparison or data from median or mean RP. The average RP for NYJC or NJC based on a median of 85 could be anywhere between 80.* to 84.*. Unless you know how long the tail runs (given that top is bounded by max score of 90, low is 0 - from 85 to 0, that's a wide area to cover!), it is impossible to tell, i.e. a handful of poor performing students could drag down your averages by a lot. Using median instead of mean is a disingenuous way of hiding those numbers :siam: ***
As a parent, I would rather the school report median than mean, so that I know where the 50th percentile (half the cohort) lies....
P.s. just checking, those who entered EJC’s with COP 9/9, are they the same or different batch with those who RP mean = 82.4? -
mommyNg\" post_id=\"1935277\" time=\"1568455204\" user_id=\"2838:
Yes.
P.s. just checking, those who entered EJC’s with COP 9/9, are they the same or different batch with those who RP mean = 82.4?
2018 results
2017 COP -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935286\" time=\"1568458687\" user_id=\"97579:
Thanks floppy!
Yes.mommyNg\" post_id=\"1935277\" time=\"1568455204\" user_id=\"2838:
P.s. just checking, those who entered EJC’s with COP 9/9, are they the same or different batch with those who RP mean = 82.4?
2018 results
2017 COP -
floppy\" post_id=\"1935217\" time=\"1568430966\" user_id=\"97579:
I've looked it up: https://www.cocotutors.com/average-rank-points-rp-of-junior-colleges-across-sg/edifice\" post_id=\"1935213\" time=\"1568425200\" user_id=\"181061:[quote=edifice post_id=1935213 time=1568425200 user_id=181061]
Dude, if u deemed Nyjc as abv avg based on cop, then JCS VJC, NJC, EJC n lower cop JCS re only Avg JCS too.
If based on results, Nyjc RP is abv EJC ( u go find out ), then EJC is considered Avg JC too.
VJC average RP is 83.8.
VJC COP is 7 /5.
NJC median RP is 84.4*
NJC COP is 7 / 6.
NYJC median RP is 85**
NYJC COP is 7 / 6.
ACJC average RP is 80.9.
ACJC COP is 8 / 7.
EJC average RP is 82.4.
EJC COP is 9 / 9.
TJC average RP is 80 (cohort), 83 (IP)
TJC COP is 9 / 9.
*Median =/= Average. Average is always going to be lower than median for A Levels.
**Should be median not average... but I'll fix that for them.
On the premise, NYJC median RP is good, but not outstanding (I'm also generally skeptical of rounded up / down whole numbers). It is producing what it is expected to produce based on COP - nothing more, nothing less (which isn't a bad thing). EJC, on the other hand, has good reasons to be proud of itself. It's performing better than JCs with similar COP - it is punching above it's weight (but it could also be a case of IP students pulling up the averages). I see both JC as above average JC BUT given the room to grow, there's definitely more upside to EJC than NYJC in the mid / long run.
Notwithstanding, here's the problem of using a single data point to substantiate an argument, it's meaningless. There's lies, damned lies and statistics. Until there's a further breakdown in the numbers, you can formulate any conclusion you want... and you aren't the first NYJC stan trying to 'big' the JC here.
P/S: All these talk about VJC and NJC dropping out of the top rankings are premature. That said, given the general trend, there's a good case to be made for TJC not being a top JC anymore. VJC may have a blip in terms of their average RP last year but their general trend line is good, and it did produce 1 of the 4 President Scholars last year. Therefore, it could very well be a small handful of students (or even 1 student) not putting in their weight last year (pulling down the average).
P/P/S: The term \"Big 5\" used to be meaningful when there are 20 schools of similar size (18 JCs and 2 Institutes) offering A Level or equivalent. Today, there are only 19 such schools, including 2 IB schools and 2 ‘special’ schools with much smaller cohort than a typical JC.
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Dude, IDK how u come up NY RP between 80-83. Haaha.
Only u can formulate such baseless conclusion.
It’s known NY RP better.
U better spend more time to give more advice to Ejc how to close up disparity gap between IP, JAE kids.
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