2019 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2007)

[zac's mum]

mengsan\" post_id=\"1947853\" time=\"1574398715\" user_id=\"31254:

Just to confirm if student chooses 1st choice IP and 2nd choice OP in SAME Sec sch that offers dual track, he won’t be placed behind another student who got same tscore but opt OP of same sch as 1st choice (not referring to any affiliation cases)

COP for IP track & COP for OP track are never the same (an aberration was SCGS for non-affiliates last year).

So in your scenario of both students with the same T score, if the guy cannot meet the actual COP of the IP track, then he and the other guy will be in the running for the OP track. The guy with the higher decimal points will win the OP seat.

In the extremely rare case of identical decimal points, then look at citizenship. If same citizenship then balloting will occur.

[floppy]

Stevenlsf\" post_id=\"1947872\" time=\"1574400933\" user_id=\"69371:

so this years the feedback of the paper is that it is easier than previous year and the cop is expected higher in general?

The results of the cohort has no bearing on the COP of a school. COP is based on supply / demand. If no one chooses the school despite a better performance from the cohort, COP will still drop.

[MyPillow]

Stevenlsf\" post_id=\"1947872\" time=\"1574400933\" user_id=\"69371:

MyPillow\" post_id=\"1947800\" time=\"1574391947\" user_id=\"70594:

[quote=\"Zen helena\" post_id=1947791 time=1574391508 user_id=106561]Very struggling on which school to choose with Boy’s 233. I plan to move house. So location doesn’t matter. Any suggestions?

use 2018 & 2019 cop as reference
u will find some sch COP diff is as high as 5 to 6 pts

but 2018 cop is more norm like previous yrs
dunno what happen in 2019 ( many feel it is easier n more managebale papers, means more avg /slight abv avg kids score well n push up cop)

Maybe :
first two choices - as wish sch ( 233 , 234, 235 )
next 4 choices as releasitc choices ( 233, 231.230

so this years the feedback of the paper is that it is easier than previous year and the cop is expected higher in general?[/quote]apologies :
i refer to the 2019 Sec 1 admission book ( aggregate from psle 2017 bacth)
& 2020 sec 1 admission book ( ie aggregate from psle 2018 psle batch)
the 2018 aggregate T score seem to improve alot ( some sch abt 5/6 pts) --> might be due to easier papers for avg students

2019 aggregate range T score - we dun know the range yet ! will only know when posting results out

[MsB_Luv]

floppy\" post_id=\"1947827\" time=\"1574395605\" user_id=\"97579:

MsB_Luv\" post_id=\"1947815\" time=\"1574393685\" user_id=\"182449:

Hello, I am new.

Just want to hear from some mummies here / school of thoughts for sec school with a wide COP vs a smaller range of COP.

~ wide range better/ narrow range

My personal tot: Maybe that wide range, eg. 220-254. Maybe that school only have 1 student 254.

Anyone good in analysing such to interpret?
:thankyou:

There’s a reason why “analysts” would prefer to look at median t-score instead of range of students’ t-scores or COP. You can get the info from MOE’s SIS.

As an example, you can look at Whitley for an example of a wide range of t-scores: 188 to 251 and Punggol as an example of a narrow range: 201 to 233.
Median of Whitley is 207 while Punggol median is 205.
If both schools are of a similar size, Whitley may actually have a stronger cohort despite having a much lower COP.

You can also contrast the above with Guangyang Sec, another school with a wide range of t-score: 188 to 251. Median is 203. If schools are of a similar size, Guangyang’s cohort could be the weakest of the lot, despite having a similar range as Whitley.

The reasons for the above are varied but location, familiarity seems to be a big factor.

P/S: why only mummies can answer?

Thank you. Ok, I will Google on MOE’SIS.
Sound complicated... on median scores. Will analyse.

The sch - jus neighbourhood, jus hoping for a better cohorts. So higher median would be better - ranger than looking at its range of COP, right?
:snuggles:
Btw, Daddy and mummies are all welcome!
Thank u all for ur replies & advices.

[fivefingers]

hazeline\" post_id=\"1947869\" time=\"1574400358\" user_id=\"18065:

fivefingers\" post_id=\"1947863\" time=\"1574399906\" user_id=\"45568:

Want to seek opinion of parents here re the new 20% for non-affiliated. I know some schools COP will drop this year as they take in mostly their own pri students (like PLMGS) previously. Just wondering if anyone knows about schools like CHIJ St Nick or SCGS? Their COP is high for non-affiliate but I wonder if they have already started taking in more outsiders in previous years. If so, this means their COP is not \"artifically high\". My dd score 248, a bit short to go to her dream schools which are in the 250 range.

I would think otherwise. Those schools who have to open up to outsides (eg.PLMGS) would see an increase in COP because previously, their COP was artificially lowered to accommodate the affiliated students.

Hi Hazeline, these affiliated schools have different COP for affiliates n non-affiliate. Eg CHIJ St Nick , COP is 230 with affiliation and 253 for non-affiliation. COP will increase this year for affiliate due to 20% set aside for non-affiliate.
I am wondering if COP for non-affiliate will drop. If these schools traditionally already accept many non-affiliates, then COP for non-affiliate will likely maintain. Just wondering if any parents have infor re CHIJ St Nick and SCGS non-affilate %

[tyeogh]

ilovelaksa\" post_id=\"1947861\" time=\"1574399705\" user_id=\"88602:

My younger daughter comes from a non-affiliate nbh sch, she goes to an affiliate sec school. Her experience in sec sch is wonderful. Making friends is not an issue.
I think it might hv to do with her class not having many affiliates from the pri side next door (only 1 I recall) The affiliates in her class are not from next door. The rest of the classes are half affiliates or even almost entire classes of affiliates from next door.

Your daughter found friends in her class. During my sec school, I have friends from all 10 classes in my level. Bec I have been put in the same class as some, if not most of them, throughout 6 years of primary school. Who do you think has more friends?

[rosnyus]

Do you think St Gabriel will be in high demand? COP is 226.. my son's score is off by a few points.. trying our luck

[MsB_Luv]

tyeogh\" post_id=\"1947846\" time=\"1574398154\" user_id=\"94399:

MsB_Luv\" post_id=\"1947815\" time=\"1574393685\" user_id=\"182449:

Hello, I am new.

Just want to hear from some mummies here / school of thoughts for sec school with a wide COP vs a smaller range of COP.

~ wide range better/ narrow range

My personal tot: Maybe that wide range, eg. 220-254. Maybe that school only have 1 student 254.

Anyone good in analysing such to interpret?
:thankyou:

I did this analysis once.

To me, wide range usually have affiliates. They reserve spaces for students from their affiliated primary school. When that is filled up, the school open slots to the public. So if only one class is open to the public, the public competes to enter that one class. Such schools have very few high scorers. The low scorers are their affiliates and these form the bulk of the students.

Is that a good school? I doubt so. It just means they have few spaces for the public to enter, hence high COP. Standards set at the school cater to the bulk, which are average scorers.

Narrow bands usually means no affiliates. The students there made it on their own merit. Pupils there are surrounded with similiar peers. The general pace is set according to their standards i.e a good fit.

There is also one very important factor. When one joins a school with affiliates, the students there already formed their own cliques. It is very hard to break into the group. A close friend told me this when he joined my school decades ago.

To me, making friends is the most imperative experience in a sec school bec these are the friends that will see you through life. So, to be unable to break into cliques is a huge drawback. In a non-affiliated environment, everyone has to make new friends all over again. This is a strong plus.

Ps: Daddy here. So dunno whether my view is accepted?

Thank you Daddy! Surely ur views are accepted & important as well.

Like ur school of thoughts too! Very well pointed out.

The schools we are looking at has no affiliated & my son has no issue making new friends. I am jus hoping that the friends he mixes around with will be a better students

[floppy]

MsB_Luv\" post_id=\"1947881\" time=\"1574401678\" user_id=\"182449:

floppy\" post_id=\"1947827\" time=\"1574395605\" user_id=\"97579:

[quote=MsB_Luv post_id=1947815 time=1574393685 user_id=182449]Hello, I am new.

Just want to hear from some mummies here / school of thoughts for sec school with a wide COP vs a smaller range of COP.

~ wide range better/ narrow range

My personal tot: Maybe that wide range, eg. 220-254. Maybe that school only have 1 student 254.

Anyone good in analysing such to interpret?
:thankyou:

There’s a reason why “analysts” would prefer to look at median t-score instead of range of students’ t-scores or COP. You can get the info from MOE’s SIS.

As an example, you can look at Whitley for an example of a wide range of t-scores: 188 to 251 and Punggol as an example of a narrow range: 201 to 233.
Median of Whitley is 207 while Punggol median is 205.
If both schools are of a similar size, Whitley may actually have a stronger cohort despite having a much lower COP.

You can also contrast the above with Guangyang Sec, another school with a wide range of t-score: 188 to 251. Median is 203. If schools are of a similar size, Guangyang’s cohort could be the weakest of the lot, despite having a similar range as Whitley.

The reasons for the above are varied but location, familiarity seems to be a big factor.

P/S: why only mummies can answer?

Thank you. Ok, I will Google on MOE’SIS.
Sound complicated... on median scores. Will analyse.

The sch - jus neighbourhood, jus hoping for a better cohorts. So higher median would be better - ranger than looking at its range of COP, right?
:snuggles:
Btw, Daddy and mummies are all welcome!
Thank u all for ur replies & advices.[/quote]SIS here: https://sis.moe.gov.sg/?viewmode=viewfullsite

In simple terms, median is the midpoint of the cohort. Eg in Whitley’s case, 50% of the cohort scores better than 207 (207 to 251) while 50% scores less than that (188 to 207).

There’s no better or worst, or higher means better. It all depends on what you are looking for. For example, if a school has a range of 205 to 225 but median 207, it means the cohort strength is fairly equal (whereas in Whitley’s case, the better or even average students are quite far apart from their weakest).

[floppy]

fivefingers\" post_id=\"1947882\" time=\"1574401746\" user_id=\"45568:

hazeline\" post_id=\"1947869\" time=\"1574400358\" user_id=\"18065:

[quote=fivefingers post_id=1947863 time=1574399906 user_id=45568]Want to seek opinion of parents here re the new 20% for non-affiliated. I know some schools COP will drop this year as they take in mostly their own pri students (like PLMGS) previously. Just wondering if anyone knows about schools like CHIJ St Nick or SCGS? Their COP is high for non-affiliate but I wonder if they have already started taking in more outsiders in previous years. If so, this means their COP is not \"artifically high\". My dd score 248, a bit short to go to her dream schools which are in the 250 range.

I would think otherwise. Those schools who have to open up to outsides (eg.PLMGS) would see an increase in COP because previously, their COP was artificially lowered to accommodate the affiliated students.

Hi Hazeline, these affiliated schools have different COP for affiliates n non-affiliate. Eg CHIJ St Nick , COP is 230 with affiliation and 253 for non-affiliation. COP will increase this year for affiliate due to 20% set aside for non-affiliate.
I am wondering if COP for non-affiliate will drop. If these schools traditionally already accept many non-affiliates, then COP for non-affiliate will likely maintain. Just wondering if any parents have infor re CHIJ St Nick and SCGS non-affilate %[/quote]SCGS and SNGS have not hit their cap of 80% even in previous years before the cap was implemented. Therefore, their COP for non-affiliates unlikely to be affected by this new rule.