Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates

[Sun_2010]

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1969172\" time=\"1585532740\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1969172 time=1585532740 user_id=53606]
Personally I think the risk of catching it from inanimate objects is still far, far less than catching it from unmasked sick people who cough without covering their mouth, hack up their phlegm and spit anywhere.

They are not asking the right questions of the Covid patients. “Did u notice anyone around you coughing without covering mouth? Did you take public transport??? Did you go to crowded enclosed aircon places and which??”

If they collate these answers, then they will be able to spot any trends/high risk places.

Surely some data scientists or epidemiologists can do up some data charts to show the highest risk factors within SG.
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My thinking too - so far most cases in clusters have been close contacts. And that makes the droplet transmission a most likely mode. So if an infected person sneezes/coughs without mask , then that is a highly likely someone in close proximity becoming susceptible. We are all quite into washing hands and keeping them off of face when in public places , so transmission from inanimate objects is minimal.

It's the gathering of data - completeness and accuracy of data, that is an issue. Once the data is available, robust prediction models can be built.

The TraceTogether app will help a lot in this , hope all get this app running..
Edited: to \" droplet transmission\".
Sorry for the incorrect jargon

[Estéema]

doodbug\" post_id=\"1969169\" time=\"1585531131\" user_id=\"13281:

Mdm Ho Ching wrote the following on her Facebook 12 hours ago:

Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Agree that we should keep the surgical as well as N95 masks for our healthcare workers as the top priority, since they face patients every day. Not just covid patients, but also other patients, who need to be protected too.

But we shouldn’t try to demonise the wearing of masks just to preserve the masks for the healthcare workers (HCWs).

Instead, we should be open to the idea of improvising masks for use among the public.

We shouldn’t laugh and snigger at people trying all sorts of protective barriers.

They can be just a plastic shield, or a plastic “curtain” from a hat, a chic designer mask, a simple folded handkerchief, perhaps with a cotton layer in between, a lovingly home sewn mask by grandma or mother.

Whatever we wish to improvise, we should not be made to feel silly or unfashionable.

A full face shield forms a barrier for the eyes, nose and mouth too.

A mask or face shield is no substitute for hand hygiene.

So do wash our hands regularly.

True, a mask or face shield may give a false sense of security and safety. That may lead people to forget the importance of washing hands and safe distancing.

But knowing Singaporeans, the vast majority are conscientious, thoughtful, and disciplined.

Yes, it’s hard to change habits bcos old habits are hard to break.

Let’s double the normal interaction gap between people when we chat. Better still, keep out of arm’s reach.

An air gap fist bump would be better than an elbow bump, and an elbow bump would be better than a handshake.

An air gap fist bump means our outstretched fist can’t touch the other person’s outstretched fist. That would be more than a meter apart.

Let’s keep interactions short and sweet, especially if we come within the safe gap.

So Mind the Gap
Keep it Short and Safe

Wash our hands regularly
Watch for fire risks if we use alcohol sanitisers

Use any mask or shield as we like -
a mask can help to isolate the virus.

A mask helps keep our saliva to ourselves. It also helps to reduce incoming droplets.

So the improvised mask or face shield would serve to isolate the virus, if any, to each of us, however imperfectly.

So don’t feel paiseh if you feel better to put on a mask.

Just try to save and preserve the 4 masks given out by Singov earlier.

This is so that we can put on our surgical mask when we are ill and going to see the doctor.

She also shared this link:
https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71

The attached link bids some pondering. Thanks doodbug.

[Sun_2010]

Hi all,


I have created a new thread for all your inputs.
KiasuParents are ingenious people , and I am sure you all have those little things and big things you do at home to be safe in these times. Please share

https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=95795&p=1969181#p1969181
:please: :please: :please:

[doodbug]

I do feel though, people who have asthma, or difficulty breathing, or tend to choke, must be very very careful with masks. And no masks for very young kids as far as possible in case they suffocate or can’t yank it off in time in an emergency.

[sharonkhoo]

Sun_2010\" post_id=\"1969177\" time=\"1585537053\" user_id=\"18393:

My thinking too - so far most cases in clusters have been close contacts. And that makes the aerosol transmission a most likely mode. So if an infected person sneezes/coughs without mask , then that is a highly likely someone in close proximity becoming susceptible.

The medical people call that kind of transmission \"droplet\" transmission. They are airborne, but only briefly as they settle quickly, and over a short distance. Then transmission by contact takes over. They use \"aerosol\" transmission to mean that the virus can stay suspended in the air for long periods, up to hours, and can be easily moved by air currents. It isn't established that Covid-19 does this except when generated during some medical procedures.

There has been a lot of misunderstanding because of those terms used by the medical people.

[Sun_2010]

slmkhoo\" post_id=\"1969186\" time=\"1585540271\" user_id=\"28674:

Sun_2010\" post_id=\"1969177\" time=\"1585537053\" user_id=\"18393:

My thinking too - so far most cases in clusters have been close contacts. And that makes the aerosol transmission a most likely mode. So if an infected person sneezes/coughs without mask , then that is a highly likely someone in close proximity becoming susceptible.

The medical people call that kind of transmission \"droplet\" transmission. They are airborne, but only briefly as they settle quickly, and over a short distance. Then transmission by contact takes over. They use \"aerosol\" transmission to mean that the virus can stay suspended in the air for long periods, up to hours, and can be easily moved by air currents. It isn't established that Covid-19 does this except when generated during some medical procedures.

There has been a lot of misunderstanding because of those terms used by the medical people.

Thanks for the correction slmkhoo. Edited my post

[lee_yl]

doodbug\" post_id=\"1969169\" time=\"1585531131\" user_id=\"13281:

Mdm Ho Ching wrote the following on her Facebook 12 hours ago:

Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Agree that we should keep the surgical as well as N95 masks for our healthcare workers as the top priority, since they face patients every day. Not just covid patients, but also other patients, who need to be protected too.

But we shouldn’t try to demonise the wearing of masks just to preserve the masks for the healthcare workers (HCWs).

Instead, we should be open to the idea of improvising masks for use among the public.

We shouldn’t laugh and snigger at people trying all sorts of protective barriers.

They can be just a plastic shield, or a plastic “curtain” from a hat, a chic designer mask, a simple folded handkerchief, perhaps with a cotton layer in between, a lovingly home sewn mask by grandma or mother.

Whatever we wish to improvise, we should not be made to feel silly or unfashionable.

A full face shield forms a barrier for the eyes, nose and mouth too.

A mask or face shield is no substitute for hand hygiene.

So do wash our hands regularly.

True, a mask or face shield may give a false sense of security and safety. That may lead people to forget the importance of washing hands and safe distancing.

But knowing Singaporeans, the vast majority are conscientious, thoughtful, and disciplined.

Yes, it’s hard to change habits bcos old habits are hard to break.

Let’s double the normal interaction gap between people when we chat. Better still, keep out of arm’s reach.

An air gap fist bump would be better than an elbow bump, and an elbow bump would be better than a handshake.

An air gap fist bump means our outstretched fist can’t touch the other person’s outstretched fist. That would be more than a meter apart.

Let’s keep interactions short and sweet, especially if we come within the safe gap.

So Mind the Gap
Keep it Short and Safe

Wash our hands regularly
Watch for fire risks if we use alcohol sanitisers

Use any mask or shield as we like -
a mask can help to isolate the virus.

A mask helps keep our saliva to ourselves. It also helps to reduce incoming droplets.

So the improvised mask or face shield would serve to isolate the virus, if any, to each of us, however imperfectly.

So don’t feel paiseh if you feel better to put on a mask.

Just try to save and preserve the 4 masks given out by Singov earlier.

This is so that we can put on our surgical mask when we are ill and going to see the doctor.

She also shared this link:
https://medium.com/@Cancerwarrior/covid-19-why-we-should-all-wear-masks-there-is-new-scientific-rationale-280e08ceee71

Ho Ching wrote that herself or her Facebook management team?

“...But we shouldn’t try to demonise the wearing of masks just to preserve the masks for the healthcare workers (HCWs)....”

“The husband” told everyone no need to wear mask if not sick, but “the wife” asks us to put on something (masks/plastics/face shield) to protect ourselves.

Sound likes “the wife” slapping “the husband”.

That’s why when I suggest to make it mandatory to wear mask (or cover w handkerchief) during peak hour train ride, DH says the govt will not approve cos it’s like slapping themselves.

[doodbug]

I think there is a chance Mdm Ho Ching mans her own facebook account, as she shares and/or posts stuff very regularly.

[MyPillow]

if i take train in peak hour, i will wear, my teen dun want to wear, i think most teens & young adults dun wear too

and conveniently echo G /sch said < no sick no need to mask up) … if really so many un- link cases pop up & happening , then mandate all to wear in Peak hr packed public transport - this is part social responsibility actions too … keep the droplets to oneselves - pls dun spread out in the congested air space, so many vulnerables around !

[Estéema]

MyPillow\" post_id=\"1969198\" time=\"1585542587\" user_id=\"70594:

if i take train in peak hour, i will wear, my teen dun want to wear, i think most teens & young adults dun wear too
and conveniently echo G /sch said < no sick no need to mask up) ... if really so many un- link cases pop up & happening , then mandate all to wear in Peak hr packed public transport - this is part social responsibility actions too ... keep the droplets to oneselves - pls dun spread out in the congested air space, so many vulnerables around !

DS says they get a lot of info during their Sc lessons. Since last week, his schmates hv large numbers of students all masks up at the bustops, at waiting drive-in bay for parents to pickup.

With the deluge of returnees fr high COVID-19 incident countries, think this calls for step-up personal hygiene & personal safety measures. Good that we’re seeing more supplies of sale of masks, albeit costlier than before. Bought those fr China altho Indo & Veit made ones available on sale. Just heard a batch of China-made ones were destroyed for manufacture fault. But heard Indo ones cld be recycled! Now how to ascertain fake news or owise?