2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)
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AAHL\" post_id=\"1957753\" time=\"1578369019\" user_id=\"176898:
Question:
Is my understanding correct on the benefit of higher Chinese (HCL) under the new AL system?
The HCL will come into picture only when there is a tie, affecting only students who meet the exact cut off point of the SAP school? Eg. If the particular SAP school’s COP is 8 points, those who take HCL will override those without HCL. Those with HCL distinction will override those with merit. HCL has no effect for those who score 7 points and below or 9 points and above.
https://postimg.cc/YL9mk5KC
Who is eligible to take Higher Mother Tongue in secondary school ?
answer
1) Students with an overall PSLE score of AL8 and better Or
2) Students with an overall PSLE score of 9 to 14, who also attain D or M (distinction or merit) in Higher Mother Tongue Or
3) Students with an overall PSLE score of 9 to 14, and attain AL1 or AL2 in the Mother Tongue subject
For students who do not meet the above criteria,
Secondary schools will continue to have the flexibility to offer Higher Mother Tongue to students,
if they are assessed to have high ability and interest in the Mother Tongue subject, and
are able to take Higher Mother Tongue without affecting their performance in other subjects.
source of info, extracted
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/moe-unveils-new-details-rollout-2021-revamp-psle-scoring-system
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based on above info supplied, can we conclude that
AL 8 : is Top 10 %, of entire Y2021 PSLE cohort and
AL (9 to 14) : is Top (11% to 30%), of entire PSLE cohort ? -
Students taking pioneer AL Psle system are currently 2020 P5, this year
article below stated that if 2021 P6 students take Foundation Chinese, their AL score is going to be ... AL (6 to
If 2021 P6 students take
Foundation Maths or
Foundation Science or
Foundation English,
also AL (6 to ?
If true, if a P6 student with learning difficulty struggling, take all 4 Foundation subjects, student will end up with 6 x 4 subjects, equal AL 24, get streamed to 2022 Sec 1 cohort G3 stream ?
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/psle-scoring-system-changes-answers-to-faqs-from-parents -
phtthp\" post_id=\"1967249\" time=\"1584333107\" user_id=\"35251:
Only partially correct...
Students taking pioneer AL Psle system are currently 2020 P5, this year
article below stated that if 2021 P6 students take Foundation Chinese, their AL score is going to be ... AL (6 to
If 2021 P6 students take
Foundation Maths or
Foundation Science or
Foundation English,
also AL (6 to ?
If true, if a P6 student with learning difficulty struggling, take all 4 Foundation subjects, student will end up with 6 x 4 subjects, equal AL 24, get streamed to 2022 Sec 1 cohort G3 stream ?
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/psle-scoring-system-changes-answers-to-faqs-from-parents
For all foundation subjects (whether E/M/S or MT), the AL score will be 6 to 8. Can’t be higher than that.
Assuming candidate taking all 4 Foundation subjects, scores the best he can, will get 4x6 = AL24.
Based on this infographic, AL24 still can qualify for NA stream (aka G2 stream):
https://postimg.cc/NKDx5RmF
If candidate scores the worst possible score, will get 4x8 = 32 is considered “fail” PSLE. Can re-take PSLE or after 2 failed attempts, go to Northlight School for vocational secondary education. Need at least 30 to go to NT stream (aka G3 stream).
And by the way, 2024 Sec 1 batch onwards then officially all secondary schools will use the subject-based banding G1/G2/G3 naming classifications. Now only pilot phase. -
I am not sure if this has been asked before.
For kids who didn’t take hcl in pri sch, can they take up hcl in sec sch if they get good results for psle overall and OK for Chinese?
It is a dilemma. Child scored 80 to 85 for Chinese in p4. In p1 to p3, she scored above 90. But she doesn’t read Chinese books at all. We used to read to kids sometimes but now it is getting harder as kids are more inclined to the books they like. Child read English story books ferociously. Thinking if I shld sign her up w Chinese class to help her maintain her score as we can tell she is slipping, or invest in her area of interest instead, which means omitting a few good sec schs in our area as her choice of schs, which happens to be sap schools. Eg nan hua and RV.
She got 18 out of 40 for her Chinese compo in this year p5 term 1. She used to score 16 to 19 out of 20 in Chinese compo.
Parents whose kid has decided to forego hcl, can share your views? Asked child if she wants Chinese class, she is not keen. Before March, she has quite a few extra stuff from sch so cannot find time anyway. But she is quite free now, sigh.
Or time is better spent in things she is keen at such as writing class or continue to let her read?
Got her to sit in for the trial masterclass for English writing for psle yesterday. Asked her if she wants to join for the regular class, she is not keen. -
6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1973170\" time=\"1588117480\" user_id=\"145858:
Under current PSLE T-score system,
I am not sure if this has been asked before.
For kids who didn't take hcl in pri sch, can they take up hcl in sec sch if they get good results for psle overall and OK for Chinese?
It is a dilemma. Child scored 80 to 85 for Chinese in p4. In p1 to p3, she scored above 90. But she doesn't read Chinese books at all. We used to read to kids sometimes but now it is getting harder as kids are more inclined to the books they like. Child read English story books ferociously. Thinking if I shld sign her up w Chinese class to help her maintain her score as we can tell she is slipping, or invest in her area of interest instead, which means omitting a few good sec schs in our area as her choice of schs, which happens to be sap schools. Eg nan hua and RV.
She got 18 out of 40 for her Chinese compo in this year p5 term 1. She used to score 16 to 19 out of 20 in Chinese compo.
Parents whose kid has decided to forego hcl, can share your views? Asked child if she wants Chinese class, she is not keen. Before March, she has quite a few extra stuff from sch so cannot find time anyway. But she is quite free now, sigh.
Or time is better spent in things she is keen at such as writing class or continue to let her read?
Got her to sit in for the trial masterclass for English writing for psle yesterday. Asked her if she wants to join for the regular class, she is not keen.
answer to your first question is,
depends on which Secondary school, your child eventually end up in, either posted by MOE S1 system, or entered via 2021 DSA.
1)
if enter certain \"SAP IP\" schools like Nanyang Girls High or
River Valley High, or
CHIJ St Nicholas Girls Sec (IP track),
obviously, these three being SAP schools, HCL is compulsory.
2)
if enter certain \"Non-SAP IP schools\" like RI (Raffles Institution),
after your PSLE results released on Announcement date, if MOE had given your child an eligible letter that qualify Sec 1 students to take HCL, then Yes, can.
Otherwise, if MOE didn't give your child the letter, then cannot.
You can google yourself, why some ksp RI parents questioned, if they were to appeal to their RI Chinese HOD to let their child take Sec 1 HCL , inspite of not being given the eligible letter by MOE, did their appeal in the end go through successfully, or failed ?
You may refer to the questions posed inside RI thread, or other related thread to Sec 1 HCL.
3)
certain \" O-level SAP \" Sec schools like Chung Cheng High (Main) overide this MOE letter, thereby making it compulsory for ALL her Sec 1 students, to take HCL. Whether student can cope with HCL or not, they will review later, at the end of Sec 2. But for initial first 2 years, Yes, ALL Secondary 1 students in CCH (Main), compulsory to take HCL !
Note that
Her cousin, Chung Cheng Secondary (Yishun branch), is NOT a SAP school.
4)
for other \"O level NON-SAP\" schools, only if P6 students possess the MOE \"qualifying\" letter, then allowed to take Sec 1 HCL.
As to whether some students tried to appeal to their Secondary Chinese HOD, whether their appeal in the end was successful or failed, is a separate issue. This will depend on how their school's Chinese department handled HCL policy.
Example
Some students from O-level schools had filled up an appeal form, with their underlying appealing reasons stated, since they didn't receive MOE letter.
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Note that above (1) to (4) hold
true, only under current PSLE T-score system. The last batch, is this year PSLE 2020, students born in 2008.
Going forward,
from Year 2021 onwards, PSLE system convert, cross over into the brand new AL.
Hence,
we shall see, after PSLE 2021 is over, students born in 2009
because
not sure
whether MOE has changed (altered) the way she give out the letter to P6 students.
As to how MOE issued the eligible letter, please visit MOE website.
MOE had stated her qualifying criteria, over there. -
6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1973170\" time=\"1588117480\" user_id=\"145858:
Sec Sch HMT eligibility criteria.
I am not sure if this has been asked before.
For kids who didn't take hcl in pri sch, can they take up hcl in sec sch if they get good results for psle overall and OK for Chinese?
https://postimg.cc/4Y5nKssm -
6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1973170\" time=\"1588117480\" user_id=\"145858:
my DD
I am not sure if this has been asked before.
For kids who didn't take hcl in pri sch, can they take up hcl in sec sch if they get good results for psle overall and OK for Chinese?
It is a dilemma. Child scored 80 to 85 for Chinese in p4. In p1 to p3, she scored above 90. But she doesn't read Chinese books at all. We used to read to kids sometimes but now it is getting harder as kids are more inclined to the books they like. Child read English story books ferociously. Thinking if I shld sign her up w Chinese class to help her maintain her score as we can tell she is slipping, or invest in her area of interest instead, which means omitting a few good sec schs in our area as her choice of schs, which happens to be sap schools. Eg nan hua and RV.
She got 18 out of 40 for her Chinese compo in this year p5 term 1. She used to score 16 to 19 out of 20 in Chinese compo.
Parents whose kid has decided to forego hcl, can share your views? Asked child if she wants Chinese class, she is not keen. Before March, she has quite a few extra stuff from sch so cannot find time anyway. But she is quite free now, sigh.
Or time is better spent in things she is keen at such as writing class or continue to let her read?
Got her to sit in for the trial masterclass for English writing for psle yesterday. Asked her if she wants to join for the regular class, she is not keen.
pri sch chinese A, hcl +2. - 0 tuition
sec sch chinese A2, hcl F9 :rotflmao: - 0 tuition
jc H1 chinese D - 0 tuition
my DS
pri sch chinese very low A(fake A :rotflmao: ). SA1, prilim 50+- (p5 CA1 30+) - free tuition
sec sch chinese C6 - 0 tuition
jc H1 chinese D - 0 tuition
For kids who didn't take hcl in pri sch, can they take up hcl in sec sch if they get good results for psle overall and OK for Chinese? - possible but hcl in sec sch very difficult
She got 18 out of 40 for her Chinese compo in this year p5 term 1. She used to score 16 to 19 out of 20 in Chinese compo. - same as DS
But she doesn't read Chinese books at all. same as DD & DS :rotflmao:
invest in her area of interest instead, which means omitting a few good sec schs in our area as her choice of schs, which happens to be sap schools. Eg nan hua and RV. -
Every School A Good School
DS - only good in maths & physics not language (like father like son)
Naval Base Primary School
Chung Cheng High School (Yishun) , is NOT a SAP school.
Yishun JC
NTU A Engineering 2017 IGP AAA/A - latest Uni semester result All A (AA-A+A+A+A+ :yikes: ) -
Thanks phtthp and John Lim for sharing
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MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"1973179\" time=\"1588122008\" user_id=\"2964:
Thanks for replying my post.
Sec Sch HMT eligibility criteria.6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1973170\" time=\"1588117480\" user_id=\"145858:
I am not sure if this has been asked before.
For kids who didn't take hcl in pri sch, can they take up hcl in sec sch if they get good results for psle overall and OK for Chinese?
https://postimg.cc/4Y5nKssm
For kids who scored to meet the cut off, but did not take up hcl in psle, would she accepted by a sap ip sch where hcl is compulsory? Understand that at some sap schs, it is not an option to not take up hcl even though child would rather not take it if she has a choice, but she may be interested to choose the sch due to its proximity.
Anyone can confirm that it is compulsory to take hcl at RV? So if a child who meet the psle cop of RV but didn't take hcl, would not be accepted at sec 1 posting? -
6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1973270\" time=\"1588155119\" user_id=\"145858:
For kids who scored to meet the cut off, but did not take up hcl in psle, would she accepted by a sap ip sch where hcl is compulsory?
Sec Sch HMT eligibility criteria.MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"1973179\" time=\"1588122008\" user_id=\"2964:
[quote=6thisnthat9 post_id=1973170 time=1588117480 user_id=145858]I am not sure if this has been asked before.
For kids who didn't take hcl in pri sch, can they take up hcl in sec sch if they get good results for psle overall and OK for Chinese?
https://postimg.cc/4Y5nKssm
So if a child who meet the psle cop of RV but didn't take hcl, would not be accepted at sec 1 posting?[/quote]Yes and incorrect.
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