2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)
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For 2021 batch, there will not be COP per se. The COP of 2021 sec 1 posting will be used for 2022.
For 2021, more likely the guide will be a range, based on past years COP converted to range. -
If one same aggregate T-score can be converted into different total AL scores.
The guide given to 2021 psle batch will be more likely a range. For a range of 9 to 11, not all 9, 10 and 11 were the same t-score to meet COP. -
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Today there isn’t any official announcement of the COP after S1 posting results out doesn’t mean the future shouldn’t have.
The same way they always do - there will be no announcement.lee_yl\" post_id=\"1958563\" time=\"1578737120\" user_id=\"17023:
I am keen to know will SAP sec will announce balloting was conducted for those with Dist/Merit/Pass and only if those who meet the both criteria need appeal or just need to meet mIn AL8.
Today, there is no official announcement of the COP after S1 registration exercise. Resourceful parents will need to find out from school or make some educated guess. I don’t see why there is a need to overthink. If ballot was, for example, conducted for 8 points with merit in HCL, we can be rest assured that the same criteria will be used for appeal. In this example, Students who score 8 points with merit in HCL or better will be allowed to appeal.
If balloting is conducted, it has to be open and transparent to avoid any allegation of manipulation or bias in the process.
For those who followed the 2019 psle thread, there were parents posting about how various schools responded to their queries on appeal by saying if your kid missed the COP by 1 or 2 points, you can come for an appeal. I think this is an area MOE must improve on. The messaging must be standardized to avoid giving false hope and worst, a sense that there’s a flexible policy on appeal. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"1958616\" time=\"1578803819\" user_id=\"17023:
Today there isn’t any official announcement of the COP after S1 posting results out doesn’t mean the future shouldn’t have.
The same way they always do - there will be no announcement.floppy\" post_id=\"1958584\" time=\"1578768614\" user_id=\"97579:
[quote=lee_yl post_id=1958563 time=1578737120 user_id=17023]
I am keen to know will SAP sec will announce balloting was conducted for those with Dist/Merit/Pass and only if those who meet the both criteria need appeal or just need to meet mIn AL8.
Today, there is no official announcement of the COP after S1 registration exercise. Resourceful parents will need to find out from school or make some educated guess. I don’t see why there is a need to overthink. If ballot was, for example, conducted for 8 points with merit in HCL, we can be rest assured that the same criteria will be used for appeal. In this example, Students who score 8 points with merit in HCL or better will be allowed to appeal.
If balloting is conducted, it has to be open and transparent to avoid any allegation of manipulation or bias in the process.
For those who followed the 2019 psle thread, there were parents posting about how various schools responded to their queries on appeal by saying if your kid missed the COP by 1 or 2 points, you can come for an appeal. I think this is an area MOE must improve on. The messaging must be standardized to avoid giving false hope and worst, a sense that there’s a flexible policy on appeal.[/quote]Ballot has already been conducted today, and it has never been open and transparent. So far, no one has alleged any manipulation or bias in the process. Surprisingly that few people bother or care to ask / find out. Refer to https://beta.moe.gov.sg/secondary/s1-posting/results/how-posted/ for this year’s process:
[quote]What if two students have the same score?
Singapore Citizens have priority in the case of a tied score. Between two students with the same citizenship, a tie is resolved by a computerised ballot with an equal chance for each student.[/quote]Contrary to popular belief, it’s not the decimals that decide when the t-score is identical this year, it’s the ballot. Hence, MOE probably has recognized that for those “suay” people who didn’t get it, they can appeal. In future, HCL distinction / merit / pass is just a sub-class of the particular AL score. Of ballot is conducted for that sub-class, appeal will logically follow the same.
It’s worth noting that while posting is based on academic merit, CHOICE ORDER matters. Appeal is likely to be based on academic merit but not choice order. Hence, if NYGH COP is 8 / merit and for 1st choice applicants only, expect a much bigger number of appeals because there could be some who put NYGH as second choice. This is probably one area that MOE should clarify in due course.
As for the various parents response, MOE (the HQ aka the policy makers) has made it very clear in their guidance to schools that no appeal will be entertained if COP not met. Unfortunately, school admin, being ever so helpful probably couldn’t bear themselves to bring forth such a bad news. I agree that the messaging should be standardized from HQ instead of trying to let each school decides. -
6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1958585\" time=\"1578785799\" user_id=\"145858:
The primary school students are informed that
For 2021 batch, there will not be COP per se.
The COP of 2021 sec 1 posting will be used for 2022.
For 2021, more likely the guide will be a range, based on past years COP converted to range.
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These AL COPs will be derived from the PSLE scores and choice patterns of the 2020 S1 posting exercise. \"
source of info -
extracted from page 28 of Henry park primary school slides
https://henryparkpri.moe.edu.sg/qql/slot/u548/2019/Circulars%20and%20Forms/P4%20Term%20Letters%20and%20Briefing%20Notes/Parents%20Engagement%20Deck%20.pdf -
AAHL\" post_id=\"1957753\" time=\"1578369019\" user_id=\"176898:
Question:
Is my understanding correct on the benefit of higher Chinese (HCL) under the new AL system?
The HCL will come into picture only when there is a tie, affecting only students who meet the exact cut off point of the SAP school? Eg. If the particular SAP school’s COP is 8 points, those who take HCL will override those without HCL. Those with HCL distinction will override those with merit. HCL has no effect for those who score 7 points and below or 9 points and above.
https://postimg.cc/YL9mk5KC
Who is eligible to take Higher Mother Tongue in secondary school ?
answer
1) Students with an overall PSLE score of AL8 and better Or
2) Students with an overall PSLE score of 9 to 14, who also attain D or M (distinction or merit) in Higher Mother Tongue Or
3) Students with an overall PSLE score of 9 to 14, and attain AL1 or AL2 in the Mother Tongue subject
For students who do not meet the above criteria,
Secondary schools will continue to have the flexibility to offer Higher Mother Tongue to students,
if they are assessed to have high ability and interest in the Mother Tongue subject, and
are able to take Higher Mother Tongue without affecting their performance in other subjects.
source of info, extracted
https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/moe-unveils-new-details-rollout-2021-revamp-psle-scoring-system
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based on above info supplied, can we conclude that
AL 8 : is Top 10 %, of entire Y2021 PSLE cohort and
AL (9 to 14) : is Top (11% to 30%), of entire PSLE cohort ? -
Students taking pioneer AL Psle system are currently 2020 P5, this year
article below stated that if 2021 P6 students take Foundation Chinese, their AL score is going to be ... AL (6 to
If 2021 P6 students take
Foundation Maths or
Foundation Science or
Foundation English,
also AL (6 to ?
If true, if a P6 student with learning difficulty struggling, take all 4 Foundation subjects, student will end up with 6 x 4 subjects, equal AL 24, get streamed to 2022 Sec 1 cohort G3 stream ?
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/psle-scoring-system-changes-answers-to-faqs-from-parents -
phtthp\" post_id=\"1967249\" time=\"1584333107\" user_id=\"35251:
Only partially correct...
Students taking pioneer AL Psle system are currently 2020 P5, this year
article below stated that if 2021 P6 students take Foundation Chinese, their AL score is going to be ... AL (6 to
If 2021 P6 students take
Foundation Maths or
Foundation Science or
Foundation English,
also AL (6 to ?
If true, if a P6 student with learning difficulty struggling, take all 4 Foundation subjects, student will end up with 6 x 4 subjects, equal AL 24, get streamed to 2022 Sec 1 cohort G3 stream ?
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/psle-scoring-system-changes-answers-to-faqs-from-parents
For all foundation subjects (whether E/M/S or MT), the AL score will be 6 to 8. Can’t be higher than that.
Assuming candidate taking all 4 Foundation subjects, scores the best he can, will get 4x6 = AL24.
Based on this infographic, AL24 still can qualify for NA stream (aka G2 stream):
https://postimg.cc/NKDx5RmF
If candidate scores the worst possible score, will get 4x8 = 32 is considered “fail” PSLE. Can re-take PSLE or after 2 failed attempts, go to Northlight School for vocational secondary education. Need at least 30 to go to NT stream (aka G3 stream).
And by the way, 2024 Sec 1 batch onwards then officially all secondary schools will use the subject-based banding G1/G2/G3 naming classifications. Now only pilot phase. -
I am not sure if this has been asked before.
For kids who didn’t take hcl in pri sch, can they take up hcl in sec sch if they get good results for psle overall and OK for Chinese?
It is a dilemma. Child scored 80 to 85 for Chinese in p4. In p1 to p3, she scored above 90. But she doesn’t read Chinese books at all. We used to read to kids sometimes but now it is getting harder as kids are more inclined to the books they like. Child read English story books ferociously. Thinking if I shld sign her up w Chinese class to help her maintain her score as we can tell she is slipping, or invest in her area of interest instead, which means omitting a few good sec schs in our area as her choice of schs, which happens to be sap schools. Eg nan hua and RV.
She got 18 out of 40 for her Chinese compo in this year p5 term 1. She used to score 16 to 19 out of 20 in Chinese compo.
Parents whose kid has decided to forego hcl, can share your views? Asked child if she wants Chinese class, she is not keen. Before March, she has quite a few extra stuff from sch so cannot find time anyway. But she is quite free now, sigh.
Or time is better spent in things she is keen at such as writing class or continue to let her read?
Got her to sit in for the trial masterclass for English writing for psle yesterday. Asked her if she wants to join for the regular class, she is not keen. -
6thisnthat9\" post_id=\"1973170\" time=\"1588117480\" user_id=\"145858:
Under current PSLE T-score system,
I am not sure if this has been asked before.
For kids who didn't take hcl in pri sch, can they take up hcl in sec sch if they get good results for psle overall and OK for Chinese?
It is a dilemma. Child scored 80 to 85 for Chinese in p4. In p1 to p3, she scored above 90. But she doesn't read Chinese books at all. We used to read to kids sometimes but now it is getting harder as kids are more inclined to the books they like. Child read English story books ferociously. Thinking if I shld sign her up w Chinese class to help her maintain her score as we can tell she is slipping, or invest in her area of interest instead, which means omitting a few good sec schs in our area as her choice of schs, which happens to be sap schools. Eg nan hua and RV.
She got 18 out of 40 for her Chinese compo in this year p5 term 1. She used to score 16 to 19 out of 20 in Chinese compo.
Parents whose kid has decided to forego hcl, can share your views? Asked child if she wants Chinese class, she is not keen. Before March, she has quite a few extra stuff from sch so cannot find time anyway. But she is quite free now, sigh.
Or time is better spent in things she is keen at such as writing class or continue to let her read?
Got her to sit in for the trial masterclass for English writing for psle yesterday. Asked her if she wants to join for the regular class, she is not keen.
answer to your first question is,
depends on which Secondary school, your child eventually end up in, either posted by MOE S1 system, or entered via 2021 DSA.
1)
if enter certain \"SAP IP\" schools like Nanyang Girls High or
River Valley High, or
CHIJ St Nicholas Girls Sec (IP track),
obviously, these three being SAP schools, HCL is compulsory.
2)
if enter certain \"Non-SAP IP schools\" like RI (Raffles Institution),
after your PSLE results released on Announcement date, if MOE had given your child an eligible letter that qualify Sec 1 students to take HCL, then Yes, can.
Otherwise, if MOE didn't give your child the letter, then cannot.
You can google yourself, why some ksp RI parents questioned, if they were to appeal to their RI Chinese HOD to let their child take Sec 1 HCL , inspite of not being given the eligible letter by MOE, did their appeal in the end go through successfully, or failed ?
You may refer to the questions posed inside RI thread, or other related thread to Sec 1 HCL.
3)
certain \" O-level SAP \" Sec schools like Chung Cheng High (Main) overide this MOE letter, thereby making it compulsory for ALL her Sec 1 students, to take HCL. Whether student can cope with HCL or not, they will review later, at the end of Sec 2. But for initial first 2 years, Yes, ALL Secondary 1 students in CCH (Main), compulsory to take HCL !
Note that
Her cousin, Chung Cheng Secondary (Yishun branch), is NOT a SAP school.
4)
for other \"O level NON-SAP\" schools, only if P6 students possess the MOE \"qualifying\" letter, then allowed to take Sec 1 HCL.
As to whether some students tried to appeal to their Secondary Chinese HOD, whether their appeal in the end was successful or failed, is a separate issue. This will depend on how their school's Chinese department handled HCL policy.
Example
Some students from O-level schools had filled up an appeal form, with their underlying appealing reasons stated, since they didn't receive MOE letter.
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Note that above (1) to (4) hold
true, only under current PSLE T-score system. The last batch, is this year PSLE 2020, students born in 2008.
Going forward,
from Year 2021 onwards, PSLE system convert, cross over into the brand new AL.
Hence,
we shall see, after PSLE 2021 is over, students born in 2009
because
not sure
whether MOE has changed (altered) the way she give out the letter to P6 students.
As to how MOE issued the eligible letter, please visit MOE website.
MOE had stated her qualifying criteria, over there.
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