Application for NUS/NTU Medicine 2020/2021
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Faith777\" post_id=\"1974605\" time=\"1588958349\" user_id=\"185406:
The competition is quite fierce.
Can anyone advise this year NUS and NTU RP for medicine ?
Any preference in application for A -level Biology over Physics or vice versa?
Below text extracted from Web ( Reddit)
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Hello! I created a reddit account just to ask this, shows how pretty desperate i am for advice
I am seriously feeling so lost ever since i got rejected by nus med. I am a 90rper, applied for both LKC and YLL. For LKC i was not shortlisted for interview while YLL got rejected after interview
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I think if pass the interview stage, RP might be irrelevant anymore. -
Here are some encouraging blogs from the internet with views and confessions written by those who did not manage to get in to study medicine after great efforts. Life is still great and many new opportunities to explore even if we are not successful in our attempt to get to study medicine.
Good read: -
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=196617233819772&id=164494763698686
Extracted passage: -
\"I cried for 3 days because I didn't get into medicine, says RJC student
STOMP - Singapore Seen - Confession: I cried for 3 days because I didn't get into medicine, says RJC student
Confession: I cried for 3 days because I didn't get into medicine, says RJC student
Today's confession comes from a Raffles Junior College student who 'speaks and breathes' Medicine -- an ambition she worked hard towards since 12 -- only to be unable to get a place in her desired university course.
She had cried for three days because she does not understand what went wrong, and sees no other alternative to achieving her lifelong dream.
Here is the confession in full:
\"I'm writing this because I know that someone out there is experiencing the same thing, and I need someone who can listen to me - that's all that I'm left with now.
\"I didn't get into Medicine.
\"For the past three days I have been crying because the sadness is just so intense I don't know where else I can channel it to.
\"Wanting to do Medicine has been my childhood ambition, since Primary Six maybe? It materialized because of many reasons like the death of my relative, but I won't delve into that.
\"I studied hard to get into RGS, and like all kiasu students, I did community service, I did internships to find out more and get close to this career.
\"Admit it, many people do that, and sometimes we do enjoy these things.
\"I came to RJ, and again, mugged hard for A levels and got decent A level grades to apply to medicine.
\"Everything was going well. My interview went well because I was speaking and breathing 'Medicine'. This passion has been there for so long, it is already deeply entrenched in me.
\"I don't know what went wrong, and what I did wrong. When I received the news, I cried so hard and just couldn't see any way out of this.
\"Please don't say I'm dramatizing. I hope you can read this and put yourself in my shoes.
\"It breaks my heart so much when my friends told me of people who got in because they were just 'trying it out', and there was even someone who decided to apply because 'Medicine has more slots than other courses like Law and Dentistry'.
\"Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be 'sour grapes', but... it just hurts so, so much.
\"If I were to get that place instead, I promise I will do anything I can to become a good doctor next time, only to realize I can't fulfil that promise anymore.
\"Some of you might suggest going overseas to study Medicine, but I know for sure my family won't be able to afford the six years of course overseas, and the hefty costs of living. I don't want to owe them and become a burden.
\"Those who are in and deserve it, congrats and I'm sure you will become a great doctor.
\"Those who got in but are not sure about Medicine at all, is it okay that after reading this, you will reflect and think through whether you really want it? Because somewhere out there, there are people like me who are simply bereft of all hope and cannot take the thought of not being able to fulfil this dream.
\"Lastly, thank you for reading and listening to me. I'm grateful.\" -
I will say that as parents we do want best for our child and whichever meds sch offers come, we do hope that this is taken wisely. Of course parents would definitely go for the reputation imperial college london for their uni ranking and outstanding education system, but hey remember to spare a strong thought about YLL. Our doctors that are locally trained and brewed here understand so much in the use of healthcare system locally and this was adopted by our founding fathers.
Their practices and long history since SG set foot on this island, we created our own system of healthcare and we provide the best for them and our fellow citizens. LKC on the other hand is something relative news and it is only being set foot for 5 years in practice and thus far, there is very little testimonials about how graduates are doing in LKC. If do, please share and evaluate.
I am not here putting how good a med school is because I don’t come from a med family or med background, but I am offering a ten cents worth thoughts to help your child looking into the right meds sch with the passion. Regardless which uni he/she went, at the end of the day, if they have the heart to serve our citizens, whichever school he/she make full use of these opportunity.
Since NUS medicine is coming out on Mon, all the best to aspiring future Doctors. If you do get offer to YLL or LKC or both, I would suggest to think very wisely about this path and if You feel that both meds don’t cater your needs of learning, choose other courses or overseas meds school that caters your learning styles. YLL and LKC are just names of the meds school but remember how does this fit your child learning lies very heavily on them as I have friends children who are in NUS suffering burnout when he entered clinical posting from during year 3. Burnout is something that doctors are suffering from and this may impact your child well being. Remember there is a greater path out there for your kids to explore.
For those on waitlist, don’t worry about it as your chances are very high and I am sure that both schools will give you the offers. -
Faith777\" post_id=\"1974605\" time=\"1588958349\" user_id=\"185406:
Base on my son's A-Level grades and his friends who applied together for NUS and NTU. Besides a good A-Level results (all A's RP 90) or at least 88.75 (AAA/B). All relevant subjects like Maths, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Economics must be taken at H2 level (e.g. Must 4H2 not 3H2 + 1H1).
Can anyone advise this year NUS and NTU RP for medicine ?
Any preference in application for A -level Biology over Physics or vice versa?
For NTU a good BMAT scores are a must (at least above 5 for all 3 papers, a 7 is a very high score). Paper 1 is think out of the box question, Paper 2 Mathematics and Paper 3 English language.
The rest is your CCA achievements, leadership, outstanding testimonials, hospital attachment and volunteer in social work. A good referees reports from your teachers. Whether you will be shortlisted for interview depended on these results.
These rest comes from your charisma and special touches during MMI interviews. Thus many factors influenced the end result of final selection as competition is tight. Many great candidates but limited number of slots. Surely only the best of the best will be chosen.
Hopefully all turns out to be positive for those still awaiting the news from NUS and NTU. -
NUS and NTU medicine, both are as good. NUS has long standing history and tested. NTU no doubt has a short history but a UK twist in their curriculums.
Both universities have different electives programs and students get the chances to engaged under the various MOH Local Healthcare Sectors and Clusters being partnership by the two uni respectively. These are the differences when getting to be trained by the uni.
Here's the info I have extracted from NTU page: -
\"As our student numbers grow, we are engaging all three regional healthcare clusters – our primary clinical partner the National Healthcare Group (NHG), Singapore Health Services (SingHealth) and National University Health System (NUHS) – to provide a wide range of training sites for our students’ Clinical Postings in various disciplines, Selectives and Electives, Scholarly Projects and the Student Assistantship Programme.\" NUS has their own group of sectors and clusters as well.
So student doctors would be assigned to their respective sectors partnership by their uni.
Here's a good look at the structure as reported in 2017: -
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/public-healthcare-sector-to-be-reorganised-into-3-integrated-clusters-new?utm_source=STSmartphone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-05-02+00%3A28%3A21 -
Interesting figures and I wonder how true that is? There was a post from HWZ Forum in Year 2018 on the total number of students intake = 500.
"Originally Posted by basilico:
If the intake is a total of 500 nd NUS is around 303…NTU will be offering close to 200 student wow…thats quite a jump.
Based on last year total intake of 471, 120 from LKC, 303 from YLL, Duke NUS took in 48. So I guess if this year total intake of 500, (there will be a 6.16% increased across the 3 medical schools)
So theoretically, YLL should take in about 322, LKC take in 127, Duke NUS take in 51 to make a total enrollment of 500." -
Take a look at this forum: https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=90743&start=180
There’s a parent who analysed and estimated the number of students who will get offers from NTU waiting list. Quite interesting haha.. I have extracted the passages for convenient: -
Re: NUS / NTU medicine application 2018/2019
Post Tue May 08, 2018 9:10 am
ycpang wrote:
Samuel002 wrote:
ycpang wrote:
Ok just trying to make some assumptions:
NTU has 138 vacancies. Assuming 50% of them have double offers from both NTU and NUS = 70.
Therefore there will be 70 slots available for those on waitlist. Sounds logical?
Purely statistic:
NUS selects 322 out of 980. Chances is 33%
NTU selects 138 out of 398. Chances is 34%
Both schools combined: 460 out of 980 ( very likely those 398 applied for NTU also applied for NUS). So chances is 47% if the student applied for both schools.
Round 1 - about 33% got offered based on individual school. There is a balance of 14% slots to be filled in round 2.
14% out of 460 = 65 slots available on waitlist. This is close to 70 slots as per my earlier estimation. In fact, if dentistry is included ( since those who applied dentistry are likely to apply to med as well), the chances of one gets into one of the three faculties is about 50%.
More analysis:
My guess is that out of the 70 slots for round 2, 50 slots will be available from NTU and 20 from NUS.
Only NTU will know how long is their waitlist but if I were NTU, I will put 50% of the cohort size (70) to a max. of 100 on waitlist. Based on these assumptions, the success rate for those on waitlist will then be 50% (50/100) to 71% (50/70) for NTU.
For NUS, the success rate calculation will then be 20/(980-302-138) = 3.7%~5%.
All the best to those who are waiting. -
Thank you very much for all the good advice.
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Hi there
I got this from the internet about the curriculum on NUS meds journey. Do consider very carefully if this is the curriculum that your child’s want to go. Unfortunately, I don’t have the info for NTU. But I think they have videos about it. Credits go to Discord community
Assessments
NUS:
M1: 3 CAs (Start of Oct, End of Nov, Early March), 1 Final Year Exam (1 practical of anatomy + histology, 1 Essay Paper, 1 MCQ)
M2: 2 CAs (Early Nov, Mid Jan). 1 Final Year Theory Exam + 1 Clinical Skills Multi-Station Exam. Some weightage for quizzes (~10% collaborative cases, microbiology quizzes etc)
Curriculum
NUS: Theme Based; M1 - All normal structure and function (Anatomy + Physiology + Biochem); M2 - Pathology + MicroBiology + Pharmacology + Immunology
Pedagogy
NUS: Lecture-Tutorial interspersed with 10 sessions of CLC per year (Collaborative Learning Cases and Clinical Applications of Medical Sciences to link content to clinicals)
NTU: TBLs (Watch videos online before class)
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Clinical Skills and Patient Contact
NUS:
M1: Patient Based Program to learn communication with patients, Clinical Application of Medical Sciences to learn basic physical examination skills. Also have a few sessions of Ultrasound, Harvey (cardiovascular system) simulation, and one critical care setting simulation.
M2: History taking lectures and practicals, 3 sessions of Foundation Clinical Practice (in various community hospitals), 1 month of Clinical Skills Foundation Program to learn history taking, procedural skills (draw blood, etc), physical examinations.
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School Term
NUS: More intense but longer holidays; Mid August - Mid April; 5 day work week, 8.30am-6pm, but days get shorter nearer to exam period. Timetable is planned for you, no need to bid for mods with the rest of NUS. General mods not required.
Facilities
NUS: Anatomy Hall & Museum; Centre for Healthcare Simulation; Med and Science Library, House Rooms (lounges), Histology Lab -
Hope this helps if you child got offered to meds for NUS.
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