All About Primary Schools' Balloting History

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lee_yl\" post_id=\"1978114\" time=\"1590631753\" user_id=\"17023:

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1977994\" time=\"1590570298\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1977994 time=1590570298 user_id=53606]
This year whole new ball game. With the cap on PRs, maybe PR <1km need to ballot. Not due to lack of places, but due to the cap.

“Primary 1 registration for 2021 moves online, introduces cap on intake of PR children”

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/primary-1-registration-online-2021-cap-pr-children-12773368

Can someone enlighten me, how is the proposed cap on number of PR children in certain schools (where there are currently a lot of PRs) will help Singaporeans?

PRs end up in the 10 schools listed likely because they can’t get into the better schools around that neighborhood. For example, Singaporeans flock to NYPS, MGS, RGPS, Pei Hwa, then PRs have no choice but to go Bukit Timah Pri where there are more vacancies left at 2C. I don’t think with a capped PR quota, the residents nearby will flock to Bukit Timah Pri.

Moreover, at phase 2C, Singaporeans within 1km/1-2km/outside 2km to ballot first. Any left over, if any, then pass on to PRs to ballot[/quote]

dont forget

PRs still can be PV (Parent volunteer) or do grassroot join RC etc, entered by Phase 2B
knowing that they stand zero chance at Phase 2C,

because

popular primary schools are taken up, \"snapped up\" quickly by SC children, PRs will \"chiong\" for good schools, in Phase 2B, by applying to be PVs.

Why ?
so that they get in one phase earlier, ahead of SC children, by entering at 2B, instead of wait for nothing, no chance at 2C

unless now, with the new rule that restrict (curb) enrolment of PRs,
schools also start (begin) to restrict the number of PRs, when they apply to be PVs

currently, if enter by Grassroot RC Phase 2B route,
RC do not restrict PRs, who choose this route.

PV (parent volunteers) in primary schools, also do not restrict PRs application to be PV, in Phase 2B

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lee_yl\" post_id=\"1978114\" time=\"1590631753\" user_id=\"17023:

floppy\" post_id=\"1978000\" time=\"1590570915\" user_id=\"97579:

[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1977994 time=1590570298 user_id=53606]
This year whole new ball game. With the cap on PRs, maybe PR <1km need to ballot. Not due to lack of places, but due to the cap.

“Primary 1 registration for 2021 moves online, introduces cap on intake of PR children”

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/primary-1-registration-online-2021-cap-pr-children-12773368

Yup. PR has sussed out all the best schools overlooked by SC but govt has now closed the gap.

Can someone enlighten me, how is the proposed cap on number of PR children in certain schools (where there are currently a lot of PRs) will help Singaporeans?

PRs end up in the 10 schools listed likely because they can’t get into the better schools around that neighborhood. For example, Singaporeans flock to NYPS, MGS, RGPS, Pei Hwa, then PRs have no choice but to go Bukit Timah Pri where there are more vacancies left at 2C. I don’t think with a capped PR quota, the residents nearby will flock to Bukit Timah Pri.

Moreover, at phase 2C, Singaporeans within 1km/1-2km/outside 2km to ballot first. Any left over, if any, then pass on to PRs to ballot[/quote]lee_yl,

answer lies in the fact that, PRs can still enrol their children

1) under Phase 1 (sibling), and

2) under Phase 2A1 (alumni) and Phase 2A(ex-student) and

3) under Phase 2B (under GRC and under Parent Volunteers)

under above named phases, PR children are occupying seats, that could have gone back to SC children instead

perhaps for a start,
analyze how many PR children,
have been enrolled under highly popular (Nanyang, Nan hua, ACS Barker, ACS Junior, Catholic High, Maris Stella, Ai Tong, Henry Park, Taonan, St Hilda, SCGS, St Nick, MGS, Rgps) primary schools, under above 3 named phases?

by right,
if based on \"Citizenship\" comes first,
all these seats currently occupied by PR children, should rightfully go back to All SC children, first !

[zac's mum]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"1978114\" time=\"1590631753\" user_id=\"17023:

floppy\" post_id=\"1978000\" time=\"1590570915\" user_id=\"97579:

[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1977994 time=1590570298 user_id=53606]
This year whole new ball game. With the cap on PRs, maybe PR <1km need to ballot. Not due to lack of places, but due to the cap.

“Primary 1 registration for 2021 moves online, introduces cap on intake of PR children”

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/primary-1-registration-online-2021-cap-pr-children-12773368

Yup. PR has sussed out all the best schools overlooked by SC but govt has now closed the gap.

Can someone enlighten me, how is the proposed cap on number of PR children in certain schools (where there are currently a lot of PRs) will help Singaporeans?

PRs end up in the 10 schools listed likely because they can’t get into the better schools around that neighborhood. For example, Singaporeans flock to NYPS, MGS, RGPS, Pei Hwa, then PRs have no choice but to go Bukit Timah Pri where there are more vacancies left at 2C. I don’t think with a capped PR quota, the residents nearby will flock to Bukit Timah Pri.

Moreover, at phase 2C, Singaporeans within 1km/1-2km/outside 2km to ballot first. Any left over, if any, then pass on to PRs to ballot[/quote]With the new cap, the PRs have to go elsewhere in phase 2C, thus freeing up more leftover seats for phase 2CS.

So those SCs who choose balloting at some popular school during 2C, will have a wider range of 2CS fallback options. Previously if they’d taken the risk of balloting during 2C, those places would have been snapped up by the PRs already, leaving none at all for anyone at phase 2CS.

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zac's mum\" post_id=\"1978124\" time=\"1590633260\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1978124 time=1590633260 user_id=53606]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"1978114\" time=\"1590631753\" user_id=\"17023:

With the new cap, the PRs have to go elsewhere in phase 2C, thus freeing up more leftover seats for phase 2CS.

So those SCs who choose balloting at some popular school during 2C, will have a wider range of 2CS fallback options. Previously if they’d taken the risk of balloting during 2C, those places would have been snapped up by the PRs already, leaving none at all for anyone at phase 2CS.

Yah. I think the new regulation is to ward off “possible” and “future” complains that XYZ school is overrun by PR, thus leaving no place for SC (never mind that SC are the ones who didn’t choose them in the first place).

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zac's mum\" post_id=\"1978124\" time=\"1590633260\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1978124 time=1590633260 user_id=53606]
With the new cap, the PRs have to go elsewhere in phase 2C, thus freeing up more leftover seats for phase 2CS.

So those SCs who choose balloting at some popular school during 2C, will have a wider range of 2CS fallback options. Previously if they’d taken the risk of balloting during 2C, those places would have been snapped up by the PRs already, leaving none at all for anyone at phase 2CS.[/quote]

This year, due to cap,
PRs children difficult to enter better schools, because

Times have changed,
[I] too many SC children around [/i], some are newly converted SC citizens, also want good schools.

What are the highly coveted schools, highly sought after, year after year, batches after batches ?

Often, these are the

1) SAP schools

2) schools that are affliated, to good Secondary schools

3) the nine GEP schools (centre)


What does this imply then, to the PRs ?
It means that

If PR already have gotten their child enrolled into a school, through earlier Phase like (Phase 1, 2A1 or 2A2 or 2B),

do NOT come out, withdraw your seat & try your luck balloting at Phase 2C,

because
the curb (contol) is starting this year's batch, PRs may find that they are unable to even ballot at Phase 2C, once the cap (curb / curfew) is being applied

So, this year, if your kid is a PR,
Please do Not raise question in this forum like

Example

My child is a PR.
We stay in Serangoon.
I enrolled my son or daughter under Taonan in the east, under Phase 2A2 as I was previously an ex student there.

But Taonan too far, in the east.
Hence, I wish to withdraw from 2A2 and try my luck balloting into Rosyth primary, because Rosyth nearer my house.

If you try to ballot Rosyth under 2C, as your child is a PR, you may be \"curb\" under the cap ruling this year, for PRs, once the quota has been exceeded.

What happen, if withdraw from Taonan (2A2) ?

- lost your seat in Taonan

- lost your chance to ballot at Rosyth (2C), due to new ruling once exceeded quota

End up, your child go under Phase 2C Supplementary to enrol, but must wait for All the SC children to enrol first

[lee_yl]

phtthp\" post_id=\"1978142\" time=\"1590637667\" user_id=\"35251:

zac's mum\" post_id=\"1978124\" time=\"1590633260\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1978124 time=1590633260 user_id=53606]With the new cap, the PRs have to go elsewhere in phase 2C, thus freeing up more leftover seats for phase 2CS.

So those SCs who choose balloting at some popular school during 2C, will have a wider range of 2CS fallback options. Previously if they’d taken the risk of balloting during 2C, those places would have been snapped up by the PRs already, leaving none at all for anyone at phase 2CS.

This year, due to cap,
PRs children difficult to enter better schools, because

Times have changed,
[I] too many SC children around [/i], some are newly converted SC citizens, also want good schools.

What are the highly coveted schools, highly sought after, year after year, batches after batches ?

Often, these are the

1) SAP schools

2) schools that are affliated, to good Secondary schools

3) the nine GEP schools (centre)


What does this imply then, to the PRs ?
It means that

If PR already have gotten their child enrolled into a school, through earlier Phase like (Phase 1, 2A1 or 2A2 or 2B),

do NOT come out, withdraw your seat & try your luck balloting at Phase 2C,

because
the curb (contol) is starting this year's batch, PRs may find that they are unable to even ballot at Phase 2C, once the cap (curb / curfew) is being applied

So, this year, if your kid is a PR,
Please do Not raise question in this forum like

Example

My child is a PR.
We stay in Serangoon.
I enrolled my son or daughter under Taonan in the east, under Phase 2A2 as I was previously an ex student there.

But Taonan too far, in the east.
Hence, I wish to withdraw from 2A2 and try my luck balloting into Rosyth primary, because Rosyth nearer my house.

If you try to ballot Rosyth under 2C, as your child is a PR, you may be \"curb\" under the cap ruling this year, for PRs, once the quota has been exceeded.

What happen, if withdraw from Taonan (2A2) ?

- lost your seat in Taonan

- lost your chance to ballot at Rosyth (2C), due to new ruling once exceeded quota

End up, your child go under Phase 2C Supplementary to enrol, but must wait for All the SC children to enrol first[/quote]

Those schools affected aren’t Tao Nan or Rosyth or SAP schools etc. MOE said going by past trend, vast majority of the schools well below the cap of 25%-30%, except the 10 primary schools below:

1). Bukit Timah Pri
2). Bukit View
3). Changkat
4). Greendale
5). Marymount Convent
6). North Springs
7). Opera Estate
8). Pioneer
9). Tanjong Katong
10). Xingnan

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lee_yl\" post_id=\"1978195\" time=\"1590650770\" user_id=\"17023:

Those schools affected aren’t Tao Nan or Rosyth or SAP schools etc. MOE said going by past trend, vast majority of the schools well below the cap of 25%-30%, except the 10 primary schools below:

1). Bukit Timah Pri
2). Bukit View
3). Changkat
4). Greendale
5). Marymount Convent
6). North Springs
7). Opera Estate
8). Pioneer
9). Tanjong Katong
10). Xingnan

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lee_yl\" post_id=\"1978195\" time=\"1590650770\" user_id=\"17023:

Those schools affected aren’t Tao Nan or Rosyth or SAP schools etc. MOE said going by past trend, vast majority of the schools well below the cap of 25%-30%, except the 10 primary schools below:

1). Bukit Timah Pri
2). Bukit View
3). Changkat
4). Greendale
5). Marymount Convent
6). North Springs
7). Opera Estate
8). Pioneer
9). Tanjong Katong
10). Xingnan

It’s quite understandable why most of these schools are popular with PR. Some of them are also perennial favorites as backup options with KSP - BTPS, MCS, OEPS, TKPS, etc. The reality for some of them, unfortunately, is that PR have no other alternatives if they don’t pick them... err BTPS, MCS, TKPS etc are neighboring some popular schools where PR wouldn’t even get to ballot.

[zac's mum]

Phttthp is partially correct - the PRs have been / are going to do PV/GRL to get into phase 2B to boost their chances.


But, not for the SC popular schools lah. Cos there they have absolutely zero chance.

They will be doing PV at these listed 10 schools.

In fact, when I walked in to Opera Estate PS several years ago to get a PV form, the GO admin asked me, Ma’am are you SC or PR? Cos usually only PR will come to PV. Citizen don’t need to waste your time PV, cos sure straight in.

This is a loophole that allows PR to leapfrog over SCs, as long as they have the time to do PV.

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zac's mum\" post_id=\"1978203\" time=\"1590654077\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1978203 time=1590654077 user_id=53606]
Phttthp is partially correct - the PRs have been / are going to do PV/GRL to get into phase 2B to boost their chances.

But, not for the SC popular schools lah. Cos there they have absolutely zero chance.

They will be doing PV at these listed 10 schools.

In fact, when I walked in to Opera Estate PS several years ago to get a PV form, the GO admin asked me, Ma’am are you SC or PR? Cos usually only PR will come to PV. Citizen don’t need to waste your time PV, cos sure straight in.

This is a loophole that allows PR to leapfrog over SCs, as long as they have the time to do PV.[/quote]

If PR does PV to get into 2B, that’s fair game. It’s like having PR as Methodist, Catholics, Huay Kuan members etc. You can’t tell them to shove it. Therefore, it’s far from being a loophole.

Notwithstanding, none of the above schools require balloting for SC, regardless of the distance. If SC chooses not to select these schools, that’s not the fault of PR.