Application for NUS/NTU Medicine 2020/2021
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Every year, more than 2,000 aspiring medical applicants contend for a spot to study in the YLL and LKC. Last year, it was reported that the school now has students with more diverse academic backgrounds to better deal with healthcare challenges.
While this is indeed laudable, it also calls for a change in the way applicants are evaluated. With applicants achieving different academic qualifications, such as the International Baccalaureate, GCE-A levels, NUS High school diploma as well as ITE and polytechnic diplomas, all of which have varying degrees of rigour, it becomes imperative for NUS to implement a standardised aptitude test for all applicants.
Medical schools in the United Kingdom, United States, Australia and New Zealand adopt specific biomedical aptitude tests to objectively assess the academic ability of their applicants, who hail from different parts of the world with different academic qualifications. The BMAT is utilised by internationally renowned medical schools such as Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial College London and University College London. Such tests provide a more legitimate assessment of academic rigour and ethnical judgements. Substantial amounts of research have also indicated that candidates who do better in these tests are more likely to excel in the intellectually challenging medical courses and become doctors who practice good ethnics.
Notably, LKC also uses the BMAT, on top of each candidate’s academic qualifications, to perform the initial shortlist for interviews. Since students from LKC eventually join students from YLL to meet the healthcare needs of Singapore, why should the selection in both schools be any different?
In light of COVID this year, many aspects of NUS medicine’s selection process have been eliminated or heavily undermined this year. Interview stations testing key qualities such as empathy, teamwork and the situational judgment test have been removed from the online interviews. Without such a standardised assessment, how can one reliably judge the attributes of a candidate based on a brief 20 minute online interview? It must be a very vague and subjective test, guesswork at best. -
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Every year, more than 2,000 aspiring medical applicants contend for a spot to study in the YLL. Last year, it was reported that the school now has students with more diverse academic backgrounds to better deal with healthcare challenges.
While this is indeed laudable, it also calls for a change in the way applicants are evaluated. With applicants achieving different academic qualifications, such as the International Baccalaureate, GCE-A levels, NUS High school diploma as well as ITE and polytechnic diplomas, all of which have varying degrees of rigour, it becomes imperative for NUS to implement a standardised aptitude test for all applicants.
Medical schools in the United Kingdom, United States, Australia and New Zealand adopt specific biomedical aptitude tests to objectively assess the academic ability of their applicants, who hail from different parts of the world with different academic qualifications. The BMAT is utilised by internationally renowned medical schools such as Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial College London and University College London. Such tests provide a more legitimate assessment of academic rigour and ethnical judgements. Substantial amounts of research have also indicated that candidates who do better in these tests are more likely to excel in the intellectually challenging medical courses and become doctors who practice good ethnics.
Notably, LKC also uses the BMAT, on top of each candidate’s academic qualifications, to perform the initial shortlist for interviews. Since students from LKC eventually join students from YLL to meet the healthcare needs of Singapore, why should the selection in both schools be any different?
In light of COVID this year, many aspects of NUS medicine’s selection process have been eliminated or heavily undermined this year. Interview stations testing key qualities such as empathy, teamwork and the situational judgment test have been removed from the online interviews. Without such a standardised assessment, how can one reliably judge the attributes of a candidate based on a brief 20 minute online interview? It must be a very vague and subjective test, guesswork at best. -
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Peterfamily: . Both YLL and LKC accept PR and international students although Singaporeans have priority. Very few in our medical schools.WearMask\" post_id=\"1979359\" time=\"1591244870\" user_id=\"185947:
[quote=peterfamily post_id=1979283 time=1591197983 user_id=184656]Over 80% those offered both medicine schools still choose YLL.These are all straight As students.YLL accepts only Singaporean students , but LKC accepts besides Singaporean , also take in PR and international students
Where do you get the statistic that 80% of those who are offered both medicine schools still choose YLL? Facilities in YLL is old since my time and many faciliites have not been upgraded since. -
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Personally, BMAT only accesses intellectual skills such as mental calculation, reasoning and inference. The test for ethical judgement and aptitude lies in the MMI that LKC and YLL conducts. Truth is, it is near impossible to get an accurate reading of a person's true nature and ethical compass with a few multiple mini interviews. However, until they develop a new metric, the MMI is what we have. Interviews, as much as we try to standardise it, is still a subjective mode of testing. The timing of the interviews, the interviewers you get, the candidates before and after you...all play an important role. We, humans, are inevitably flawed with bias though to a less extent with professional interviewers. Perhaps in the future, the interviews will be conducted in an anonymous manner...with names being replaced by the candidate's number-as is the case for PSLE, O and A levels. As for BMAT, while it shortlists candidates who are intellectually capable of handling the academics of being a doctor, I feel it does very little in selecting good doctors-the latter is supposed to be addressed with MMIs.
Every year, more than 2,000 aspiring medical applicants contend for a spot to study in the YLL and LKC. Last year, it was reported that the school now has students with more diverse academic backgrounds to better deal with healthcare challenges.
While this is indeed laudable, it also calls for a change in the way applicants are evaluated. With applicants achieving different academic qualifications, such as the International Baccalaureate, GCE-A levels, NUS High school diploma as well as ITE and polytechnic diplomas, all of which have varying degrees of rigour, it becomes imperative for NUS to implement a standardised aptitude test for all applicants.
Medical schools in the United Kingdom, United States, Australia and New Zealand adopt specific biomedical aptitude tests to objectively assess the academic ability of their applicants, who hail from different parts of the world with different academic qualifications. The BMAT is utilised by internationally renowned medical schools such as Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial College London and University College London. Such tests provide a more legitimate assessment of academic rigour and ethnical judgements. Substantial amounts of research have also indicated that candidates who do better in these tests are more likely to excel in the intellectually challenging medical courses and become doctors who practice good ethnics.
Notably, LKC also uses the BMAT, on top of each candidate’s academic qualifications, to perform the initial shortlist for interviews. Since students from LKC eventually join students from YLL to meet the healthcare needs of Singapore, why should the selection in both schools be any different?
In light of COVID this year, many aspects of NUS medicine’s selection process have been eliminated or heavily undermined this year. Interview stations testing key qualities such as empathy, teamwork and the situational judgment test have been removed from the online interviews. Without such a standardised assessment, how can one reliably judge the attributes of a candidate based on a brief 20 minute online interview? It must be a very vague and subjective test, guesswork at best. -
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You have nailed the spot. I have similar sentiment too. There's great disparity in the selection process for YLLSoM as compared to LKCSoM. Just like the selection for a fighter pilot must goes through stages of accessment. You must have perfect eye sight, health, sharp reflexes and good academic. You can't afford to be lax in the selection criteria for the potential pilot to be \"Top Gun.\" For selecting those to be trained as doctors are also no exception. There must be set of standards to be adhered.
Every year, more than 2,000 aspiring medical applicants contend for a spot to study in the YLL and LKC. Last year, it was reported that the school now has students with more diverse academic backgrounds to better deal with healthcare challenges.
While this is indeed laudable, it also calls for a change in the way applicants are evaluated. With applicants achieving different academic qualifications, such as the International Baccalaureate, GCE-A levels, NUS High school diploma as well as ITE and polytechnic diplomas, all of which have varying degrees of rigour, it becomes imperative for NUS to implement a standardised aptitude test for all applicants.
Medical schools in the United Kingdom, United States, Australia and New Zealand adopt specific biomedical aptitude tests to objectively assess the academic ability of their applicants, who hail from different parts of the world with different academic qualifications. The BMAT is utilised by internationally renowned medical schools such as Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial College London and University College London. Such tests provide a more legitimate assessment of academic rigour and ethnical judgements. Substantial amounts of research have also indicated that candidates who do better in these tests are more likely to excel in the intellectually challenging medical courses and become doctors who practice good ethnics.
Notably, LKC also uses the BMAT, on top of each candidate’s academic qualifications, to perform the initial shortlist for interviews. Since students from LKC eventually join students from YLL to meet the healthcare needs of Singapore, why should the selection in both schools be any different?
In light of COVID this year, many aspects of NUS medicine’s selection process have been eliminated or heavily undermined this year. Interview stations testing key qualities such as empathy, teamwork and the situational judgment test have been removed from the online interviews. Without such a standardised assessment, how can one reliably judge the attributes of a candidate based on a brief 20 minute online interview? It must be a very vague and subjective test, guesswork at best. -
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Peterfamily: I have confirmed with LKC and YLL. Both accepted PR and international students although Singapore has priority.peterfamily\" post_id=\"1979283\" time=\"1591197983\" user_id=\"184656:
Over 80% those offered both medicine schools still choose YLL.These are all straight As students.YLL accepts only Singaporean students , but LKC accepts besides Singaporean , also take in PR and international students
Updated: Peterfamily: I have checked. In the last 2 years, LKC has 2 international students. YLL has more than 2. You hv got your facts wrong. -
WearMask\" post_id=\"1979359\" time=\"1591244870\" user_id=\"185947:
Peterfamily: I have confirmed with LKC and YLL. Both accepted PR and international students although Singapore has priority.peterfamily\" post_id=\"1979283\" time=\"1591197983\" user_id=\"184656:
Over 80% those offered both medicine schools still choose YLL.These are all straight As students.YLL accepts only Singaporean students , but LKC accepts besides Singaporean , also take in PR and international students
Updated: Peterfamily: I have checked. In the last 2 years, LKC has 2 international students. YLL has more than 2. You hv got your facts wrong. -
Can make survey with those students studying at YLL and LKC last year ,ask those got double offers. Whether 80% with YLL or 20% with LKC ?
Must have friends in these 2 schools, then easy to conduct survey.
However, I never did the survey personally. I heard only. The "heard story" can never be simply judged accurate . Please ! Someone might can give a true picture ? -
No one can provide a true picture, those who know, cannot share in this kind of platform, This is true.
So we come here to search for bits and pieces of information, we take away what we chose to believe.
And I believed, from time to time, there will be some (very low count) PR status / International students given a place to read med in SG.
And I believed, that those few are really outstanding. Not just academically!!
For every Singaporean son/daughter, it is uphill task for get a placement in med.
For PR / International students, it is up-mountain task! Respect that! It is a merit system/society. -
This is a platform where every parents here is concern about their child outcome for medicine. It is not a platform to throw discrimination and comparison about one’s identity.
Whether you are a SG/PR/International student, it doesn’t matter what your child is, they just wanna to pursue their dream course and get a job after that and repay you.
Therefore, I seek everyone here to show respect and refrain from shading one and another.
Meanwhile to all parents who are anxious about their children waitlist outcome in medicine, do keep everyone posted.
I do also personally emailed to NTU about some concerns on whether they will open up more spots this year in view of the pandemic situation and how might some students has applied to this course under late admission in view of their overseas offers and the delay of school reopening.
I will try my best to keep everyone posted meanwhile take care!
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