Catholic High School

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zac's mum\" post_id=\"1996019\" time=\"1600827299\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1996019 time=1600827299 user_id=53606]
I was from SNGS then HCJC. Brother was from CHS then HCJC.

Word of mouth on the street, HCI and HCJC now tends to attract the PRC kids (maybe born in SG), especially those who don’t like religious schools. So he will have plenty opportunities to converse with them in Chinese if they choose to.

Hwa Chong is extremely strong on Chinese culture (even till today) as in they have strong Lion Dance, Wushu, Chinese Drama Club CCAs, celebrate the various Chinese festivals year round in a very big way, teachers emphasize bowing & respect and all that. In terms of the academic subject HCL and any special language programs they may have at HCI, there would be the iron sharpens iron challenge for him if that’s what he wants. The standard is high due their native language. I didn’t like the academic pressure to the exclusion of all other pursuits but maybe suits your child.[/quote]

Thanks again. Actually some time back we heard about the PRC rumour for PRC kids (whether born in SG or not), but it's hard for us to verify anything because every interaction with schools is virtual now. We have seen that he is nationality-blind enough when it comes to conversing with SG or PRC people. But I guess your point was SG people gravitates towards English, and PRC gravitates towards Chinese, therefore for locals whom he meets, it is unlikely for him to interact in Chinese (?)

There is a distinction between having Chinese CCA and conversing in Chinese. He was and is still experiencing Chinese culture. Many schools including non SAP ones have lion dance, wushu too. But you rightly pointed out that the way Chinese festivals are celebrated will be different. And DS will definitely agree that going after academic pressure and leaving all other pursuits out does not work for him. His time to studies is confined to school homework, no tuition so not as high as some others. Have to discuss with him on interactions in Chinese but probably after PSLE. This itself can be a heavy sub-topic.

And no, we are not biased against religious or 'secular' schools.

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phtthp\" post_id=\"1996021\" time=\"1600827664\" user_id=\"35251:

Option\" post_id=\"1996007\" time=\"1600824174\" user_id=\"185249:

[quote=SG_KP1 post_id=1996004 time=1600823892 user_id=188234]EJC does have the BSP, which starts at CHS/SNGS/SCGS. However, none have the CLEP if that is of interest to you. For both BSP and CLEP, HCI and DHS are the choices.

What is CLEP ?

9 Secondary schools offer CLEP

https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/sg.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/language-elective-programme-to-be-introduced-in-secondary-schools-from-2020-ong-ye-kung-022542747.html[/quote]Thanks, I will wait a while and see if anyone has additional insights. Else, my action item to ask MOE what is inside the program by outline.

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MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"1996022\" time=\"1600827722\" user_id=\"2964:

Option\" post_id=\"1996009\" time=\"1600825055\" user_id=\"185249:

Thanks SG_KP1,
Ok, but neither the English nor Chinese version mentions what is really in the program, only broad strokes. E.g. if students do Geography, they look at maps, urbanisation, environments etc. Is there something more elaborate out there ? I am assuming that it is a standardised syllabus and therefore there should at least be an outline (then decide later if checking by text book levels make sense).

I just want to add that Temasek JC is the other IP that has CLEP. If you are planning to do a timed journey, you should do one for the Bedok campus and another for the temporary campus, as I believe they will move while your son is there, assuming he goes there. Just a headsup so that your research is accurate.

If you are in the east, you can prob easily find out about CLEP from TJC students, you can find them and ask them in Chinese and see what they say. You can find out about the program and their level of Chinese at the same time.

What school is your other children in? They would have friends who are in one or two of these programs or schools? Asking the students will be better than parents. Sometimes the school can give ideal situation model answers, as can be seen from VS handphone policy.

Wah this kind of feedback..... can even check until temporary campus level Got your point.
Actually you are right. We spoke to some students from different schools in Chinese. The conversations usually began (not end) with topics that they were familiar and we were not :-). Yes, we are trying to find out from friends of my DG too, but that only limits us to views from one school. You rightly pointed out that asking the students is better. Many things can be gathered from the the feedback or non feedback, and the nature of the feedback. Was this something you have tried too, and if so what was your experience like ?

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zac's mum\" post_id=\"1995903\" time=\"1600752546\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=1995903 time=1600752546 user_id=53606]Aren’t there some SAP schools in the East that you can pick from?

In the east, only 3 IP schools -

Temasek Junior College,
Dunman High and
VS (IP), dual-track school

Both TJC and Dunman High, offer CLEP. VS, doesn't

To do CLEP,
your Higher Chinese results must be strong. Just your Standard Chinese alone being strong, not enough. Your \"gao hua\" must also be good. When reach JC level, many students taking CLEP are either China scholars, or those who have a strong passion in Chinese

If son of Option not keen in BSP scholarship but keen in CLEP scholarship, can consider TJC or Dunman High

Temasek JC CLEP
https://www.temasekjc.moe.edu.sg/flagship-programmes/chinese-language-elective-programme-clep


MOE CLEP scholarship

https://beta.moe.gov.sg/fees-assistance-awards-scholarships/awards-scholarships/programme-scholarships-pre-u/



https://www.google.com.sg/amp/s/sg.news.yahoo.com/amphtml/language-elective-programme-to-be-introduced-in-secondary-schools-from-2020-ong-ye-kung-022542747.html[/quote]

Seriously, I am struggling with your reply. Nothing wrong with you but your understanding on BSP and CLEP is flying over my head. I don't even know the difference in prerequisites, not to mention giving a reasonable reply..... **???** **???**

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I tried to take a shortcut by checking the BSP and CLEP on DHS website, hopefully to save waiting time from MOE.

In the page https://dunmanhigh.moe.edu.sg/td-languages/, the 2 links to BSP and CLEP are broken ones, so looks like it's back to MOE (HQ).

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I tried to take a shortcut by checking the BSP and CLEP on DHS website, hopefully to save waiting time from MOE.
In the page https://dunmanhigh.moe.edu.sg/td-languages/, the 2 links to BSP and CLEP are broken ones, so looks like it's back to MOE (HQ).

Check out the DHS thread. I put two links there (seem to be different from the ones above).

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SG_KP1\" post_id=\"1996098\" time=\"1600850872\" user_id=\"188234:

Option\" post_id=\"1996059\" time=\"1600843591\" user_id=\"185249:

I tried to take a shortcut by checking the BSP and CLEP on DHS website, hopefully to save waiting time from MOE.
In the page https://dunmanhigh.moe.edu.sg/td-languages/, the 2 links to BSP and CLEP are broken ones, so looks like it's back to MOE (HQ).

Check out the DHS thread. I put two links there (seem to be different from the ones above).

https://postimg.cc/Xr6xyFzy
Are you referring to the section I posted here (2 sections highlighted by DHS in blue). Just to be sure if we are referring the same thing.....
If yes, then what I saw was something below as example :
https://postimg.cc/hX3j5bRX

Do you mean you clicked the blue links I highlighted from the first image in this reply to you and you saw something ?

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Option\" post_id=\"1996106\" time=\"1600852275\" user_id=\"185249:

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"1996098\" time=\"1600850872\" user_id=\"188234:

[quote=Option post_id=1996059 time=1600843591 user_id=185249]I tried to take a shortcut by checking the BSP and CLEP on DHS website, hopefully to save waiting time from MOE.
In the page https://dunmanhigh.moe.edu.sg/td-languages/, the 2 links to BSP and CLEP are broken ones, so looks like it's back to MOE (HQ).

Check out the DHS thread. I put two links there (seem to be different from the ones above).

https://postimg.cc/Xr6xyFzy
Are you referring to the section I posted here (2 sections highlighted by DHS in blue). Just to be sure if we are referring the same thing.....
If yes, then what I saw was something below as example :
https://postimg.cc/hX3j5bRX

Do you mean you clicked the blue links I highlighted from the first image in this reply to you and you saw something ?[/quote]I posted two other links, which are different from the ones you are referencing (agree, the ones you are showing do not work). They are in the DHS networking thread.

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Option\" post_id=\"1996059\" time=\"1600843591\" user_id=\"185249:

I tried to take a shortcut by checking the BSP and CLEP on DHS website, hopefully to save waiting time from MOE.
In the page https://dunmanhigh.moe.edu.sg/td-languages/, the 2 links to BSP and CLEP are broken ones, so looks like it's back to MOE (HQ).

Not sure if this would help. CLEP is for those who are interested in the language itself. The focus is more on Chinese Literature and creative writing. BSP is more for those who are into being able to straddle both East and West well. Besides needing a strong command of both languages, BSP students will also study the culture and political systems of East (mainly China) and West (UK & US). The student will also study translation.

I do not know the specifics of the curriculum by DHS but given that both programmes are MOE programmes, they shouldn't differ too greatly from school to school.

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SG_KP1\" post_id=\"1996113\" time=\"1600853341\" user_id=\"188234:

Option\" post_id=\"1996106\" time=\"1600852275\" user_id=\"185249:

[quote=SG_KP1 post_id=1996098 time=1600850872 user_id=188234]
Check out the DHS thread. I put two links there (seem to be different from the ones above).

https://postimg.cc/Xr6xyFzy
Are you referring to the section I posted here (2 sections highlighted by DHS in blue). Just to be sure if we are referring the same thing.....
If yes, then what I saw was something below as example :
https://postimg.cc/hX3j5bRX

Do you mean you clicked the blue links I highlighted from the first image in this reply to you and you saw something ?

I posted two other links, which are different from the ones you are referencing (agree, the ones you are showing do not work). They are in the DHS networking thread.[/quote]Thanks SG_KP1, just read and listened to what was presented.

For CLEP, there is room for improvements (as in all things) but overall good efforts mainly from students and staff. Also assuming that any other school with CLEP will have similar content coverage up to roughly year 4 (not exactly year 4 end), not necessarily how the program is executed. IP seems to have flexibility to allow for 'advanced learning' not available to O level students by schools but the assumption could be way off for all we know.

If the content coverage is about the same for schools up till year 4, it's more meaningful to know how the assessment criteria are mapped out. Excluding school-related concerns, there seems to be some risks/ uncertainties in DS's interests in some areas. At this point, it's hard to gauge the impact unless there are insights on how large those areas are. If a large proportion of the curriculum is devoted to areas out of his interests, then he should not jump into the program unless the risks are mitigated. If the affected areas are small enough, it's not a bad option.

In addition, I have my views on what areas are more meaningful/ less meaningful and they may not coincide with his (part of the reason I sensed this Chinese interaction will become a heavy sub-topic and can only engage him after PSLE).

For BSP which goes for \"basic translation skills, and to take them to new levels of creative expression and critical analysis\", even short examples of works can provide insights that we cannot glean and calibrate easily from what the website explains. Probably, this could only be addressed through physical open houses and not online, so we will first keep in mind what is known and unknown.