IP vs O level

[blesseddad]

frankly speaking, some students are better off on the O-level route. IP is not suitable for them.


Especially those who cannot be left alone to study on their own and those who do not have an inquiring mind.

Based on what I know, at least for the IP students whom I came in contact with, students are taught some parts of a topic and for the rest of the topic, onus is on the students to go and find out on their own or learn on their own.

[Bentan]

If IP is made the default system, it can definitely integrate well with both JC and Poly.


We should allow students to IP through Poly as well. This will definitely raise the standard of our Polys. Integrating IP with Poly is so much easier as Poly has more than 3 months (Jan to Mar) to do whatever they want to make sure the students are up to the standard before they commence Poly life.

At http://singapore.math-chinese-tutor.com, more than 50% of our students are from neighborhood school. They come to tuition with aspiration and dreams. Some want to go Singapore Poly to do aeronautical engineering and thereafter NUS and finally fly for at least a budget airline. Some had learning problems at childhood but aspire to do sports medicine. Some aspire to do bakery at Temasek Poly and become an entrepreneur, specializing in chocolate food. As parents, if you talk to your children who are in secondary school about their aspiration and ask them if they want to IP-through to their dream-JC or dream-Poly, the answer is likely to be Yes.

By making IP the default system, we are not doing away O-level, N-level ... etc. Students can still opt-out of IP if they feel that they \"are better off on the O-level route”.

[phankao]

Bentan:

If IP is made the default system, it can definitely integrate well with both JC and Poly.


We should allow students to IP through Poly as well. This will definitely raise the standard of our Polys. Integrating IP with Poly is so much easier as Poly has more than 3 months (Jan to Mar) to do whatever they want to make sure the students are up to the standard before they commence Poly life..

Well, there are schools that are IP. Just Pay! All the international schools are \"IP\". SJI(International), ACS(International), HCI(International), etc, etc. Many of my dd & ds's friends who had poor PSLE scores are in these schools. Those with rich parents though!

[xxjustakidxx]

ooptimizer:

IP for all may have many constraints and problems, eg:

1. Not enough schools and facilities.
2. Many students prefer to go to Poly.
3. Not all students are academically inclined.
4. For the averge students, if we force them to go thru to A levels, their A level results may just mediocre, so they will only have a mediocre A level results to show.
etc

1. I'm sure there are enough facilities - the IP schools are taking as much students as they have been before the commencement of IP.
2. If they want to go poly, why would they go IP?
3. Those who aren't academically inclined won't go IP, they won't even qualify.
4. Again, IP is only for top students, no average students are involved.

[xxjustakidxx]

phankao:

Bentan:

If IP is made the default system, it can definitely integrate well with both JC and Poly.


We should allow students to IP through Poly as well. This will definitely raise the standard of our Polys. Integrating IP with Poly is so much easier as Poly has more than 3 months (Jan to Mar) to do whatever they want to make sure the students are up to the standard before they commence Poly life..

Well, there are schools that are IP. Just Pay! All the international schools are \"IP\". SJI(International), ACS(International), HCI(International), etc, etc. Many of my dd & ds's friends who had poor PSLE scores are in these schools. Those with rich parents though!

HCIS is NOT IP.

[phankao]

xxjustakidxx:

HCIS is NOT IP.

It is a 6-year through-train programme. No O-levels.
http://www2.hcis.edu.sg/joomla/hcis9/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=56
http://www.hcis.edu.sg/

[xxjustakidxx]

phankao:

xxjustakidxx:

HCIS is NOT IP.

It is a 6-year through-train programme. No O-levels.
http://www2.hcis.edu.sg/joomla/hcis9/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=56
http://www.hcis.edu.sg/

Integrated programme only refers to the programme that certified schools offer. Please note that HCIS is NOT HCI. Same for SOTA, we don't call that IP.

[FurrySK]

Bentan:

The most important difference between IP and O-Level is the spread of syllabus, especially in Sec-3 and Sec-4. IP students get 4 years to study the full Secondary Syllabus. O-level students get only 3.5 year to study the full Secondary Syllabus. The last half of O-level year is spent on revision, preparing for O-level.


Some may think that half a year does not really make any difference in learning and grading. In actual fact it does make significant difference. Reason being that the O-level is testing mostly on the leanings in Sec-3 and Sec-4. This makes the Sec-3 year exceptionally challenging as the dosage is 2/3 of the combine of Sec-3 and Sec-4 syllabus. For the IP students, they study equal amounts in both Sec-3 and Sec-4.

As far as I know, all IP teachers, IP students and their parents would say that IP is better than O-Level. It is interesting to note that in our present education system; only the bright students are offered IP. In reality, it is the not-so-bright students that need this system more as it would allow them to tackle their secondary syllabus better by spreading it out more evenly. Let’s hope that one day our education system is improved to allow the not-so-bright students to also opt for IP, rather than struggling hard in their last 18 month of secondary education.

I was so shocked :shock: by the lack of knowledge you have on the IP Programme and was even ignorant enough to make the suggestion to offer IP to the \"not-so-bright students\". For your information, IP students start on the JC curriculum way before mainstream students. It it totally hilarious that you think they spend 4 full years to finish their O-Level syllabus. Doesn't matter if you enter the IP Programme in Yr 1 or Yr 3, you'll start on the JC curriculum straight away together with the O-Level work. There's a reason why only the brightest of students in their batch can enter IP. I hope that you will not make such ignorant comments in the future which will mislead the pubilc.

[verykiasu2010]

FurrySK:

Bentan:

The most important difference between IP and O-Level is the spread of syllabus, especially in Sec-3 and Sec-4. IP students get 4 years to study the full Secondary Syllabus. O-level students get only 3.5 year to study the full Secondary Syllabus. The last half of O-level year is spent on revision, preparing for O-level.


Some may think that half a year does not really make any difference in learning and grading. In actual fact it does make significant difference. Reason being that the O-level is testing mostly on the leanings in Sec-3 and Sec-4. This makes the Sec-3 year exceptionally challenging as the dosage is 2/3 of the combine of Sec-3 and Sec-4 syllabus. For the IP students, they study equal amounts in both Sec-3 and Sec-4.

As far as I know, all IP teachers, IP students and their parents would say that IP is better than O-Level. It is interesting to note that in our present education system; only the bright students are offered IP. In reality, it is the not-so-bright students that need this system more as it would allow them to tackle their secondary syllabus better by spreading it out more evenly. Let’s hope that one day our education system is improved to allow the not-so-bright students to also opt for IP, rather than struggling hard in their last 18 month of secondary education.

I was so shocked :shock: by the lack of knowledge you have on the IP Programme and was even ignorant enough to make the suggestion to offer IP to the \"not-so-bright students\". For your information, IP students start on the JC curriculum way before mainstream students. It it totally hilarious that you think they spend 4 full years to finish their O-Level syllabus. Doesn't matter if you enter the IP Programme in Yr 1 or Yr 3, you'll start on the JC curriculum straight away together with the O-Level work. There's a reason why only the brightest of students in their batch can enter IP. I hope that you will not make such ignorant comments in the future which will mislead the pubilc.

Agreed.

The IP program specifically stated that by not doing the 'O' level, the time freed up will allow the students to do the subjects more in depth and at faster pace....

[phankao]

verykiasu2010:

FurrySK:

[quote=\"Bentan\"]The most important difference between IP and O-Level is the spread of syllabus, especially in Sec-3 and Sec-4. IP students get 4 years to study the full Secondary Syllabus. O-level students get only 3.5 year to study the full Secondary Syllabus. The last half of O-level year is spent on revision, preparing for O-level.


Some may think that half a year does not really make any difference in learning and grading. In actual fact it does make significant difference. Reason being that the O-level is testing mostly on the leanings in Sec-3 and Sec-4. This makes the Sec-3 year exceptionally challenging as the dosage is 2/3 of the combine of Sec-3 and Sec-4 syllabus. For the IP students, they study equal amounts in both Sec-3 and Sec-4.

As far as I know, all IP teachers, IP students and their parents would say that IP is better than O-Level. It is interesting to note that in our present education system; only the bright students are offered IP. In reality, it is the not-so-bright students that need this system more as it would allow them to tackle their secondary syllabus better by spreading it out more evenly. Let’s hope that one day our education system is improved to allow the not-so-bright students to also opt for IP, rather than struggling hard in their last 18 month of secondary education.

I was so shocked :shock: by the lack of knowledge you have on the IP Programme and was even ignorant enough to make the suggestion to offer IP to the \"not-so-bright students\". For your information, IP students start on the JC curriculum way before mainstream students. It it totally hilarious that you think they spend 4 full years to finish their O-Level syllabus. Doesn't matter if you enter the IP Programme in Yr 1 or Yr 3, you'll start on the JC curriculum straight away together with the O-Level work. There's a reason why only the brightest of students in their batch can enter IP. I hope that you will not make such ignorant comments in the future which will mislead the pubilc.

Agreed.

The IP program specifically stated that by not doing the 'O' level, the time freed up will allow the students to do the subjects more in depth and at faster pace....[/quote]And sec 1 students in IPs start working in depth using work from sec1 to sec 3, so by year 4, yes, they would already have covered some jC curriculum work.