Integrated Programme (IP)

[emoh]

https://www.moe.gov.sg/news/parliamentary-replies/20210301-integrated-programme

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https://www.moe.gov.sg/news/parliamentary-replies/20210301-integrated-programme

Hmmm...
Am I correct to make the following inferences:
1. Around 700 drop out of the programme per batch - either to O Level, or polytechnic, or out of school, or somewhere else.
2. Around 165 per batch can’t make it pass the basic requirement for local universities (less renown overseas universities should be ok).

[beloved1009]

I think the 700 students who are not part of the ‘A’ level count also includes those who take the IB or NUS Diploma. Hence the actual drop-out rate should be much lower?

[phtthp]

Inside the 700 students who dropped out of IP,


should EXCLUDE those students who never sat for A-level National exam : students Not from the A-level track, like

- ACSI (IB)

- SJI (IB)

- NUS High Diploma, bypass A-level

In the past, half way through the IP programme, there were also some students who exited out of IP Secondary schools mid way, went somewhere else instead, never come back to A-level, nothing to do with A-level track anymore.

[MrsKiasu]

Dont think they mention abt the numbers of drop out…


First, the 4k includes A, IB etc…Then 3300 is those taking A. Unable/not entering autonomous U is 165…if my understanding is correct…

[emoh]

phtthp\" post_id=\"2016334\" time=\"1614656127\" user_id=\"35251:

Inside the 700 students who dropped out of IP,

should EXCLUDE those students who never sat for A-level National exam : students Not from the A-level track, like

- ACSI (IB)

- SJI (IB)

- NUS High Diploma, bypass A-level

In the past, half way through the IP programme, there were also some students who exited out of IP Secondary schools mid way, went somewhere else instead, never come back to A-level, nothing to do with A-level track anymore.

SOTA & Sports School also do IB assuming they are counted in the initial 4000 Sec 1 students in IP.

They may had not included some that comes in at Year 3 IP as well.

[Zappy]

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2016335\" time=\"1614657634\" user_id=\"43981:

Dont think they mention abt the numbers of drop out..

First, the 4k includes A, IB etc..Then 3300 is those taking A. Unable/not entering autonomous U is 165..if my understanding is correct..

Drop out rate is approx 6% ... data from 5 yrs ago.
So ~ 240 out of 4000/ IP batch.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/education/about-6-of-students-likely-to-not-finish-ip

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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2016335\" time=\"1614657634\" user_id=\"43981:

Dont think they mention abt the numbers of drop out..

First, the 4k includes A, IB etc..Then 3300 is those taking A. Unable/not entering autonomous U is 165..if my understanding is correct..

But that would mean ACSI, SJI, MGS, SOTA and SSP totaled only 700 pupils taking IB every year.

Considering that these are some of the brightest kids, 4% not making the cut to university doesn’t bode well. It’s also a warning button for parents choosing IP to consider the suitability of the programme for the child.

[zac's mum]

Just throwing out a thought. What if the “streaming”/selection for IP program were to take place at end Sec 3 instead of end P6?


Wouldn’t that be a better predictor of A level results being able to qualify for local U?

Those that score in the top 10% based on end Sec 3 results…get to go IP (create a new name if u wish) and skip O levels.

[coast]

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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2016335\" time=\"1614657634\" user_id=\"43981:

Dont think they mention abt the numbers of drop out..

First, the 4k includes A, IB etc..Then 3300 is those taking A. Unable/not entering autonomous U is 165..if my understanding is correct..

But that would mean ACSI, SJI, MGS, SOTA and SSP totaled only 700 pupils taking IB every year.

Considering that these are some of the brightest kids, 4% not making the cut to university doesn’t bode well. It’s also a warning button for parents choosing IP to consider the suitability of the programme for the child.

I think the 4000 includes students who DSA into IP and some (I believe minority) may not do that well in academics (PSLE and A-Levels).

There are also students who choose to \"drop out\" before A Levels even though they are doing well - eg., going overseas for studies (personal choice or family relocation).