CHIJ St Nicholas Girls' Secondary

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MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2020517\" time=\"1618561191\" user_id=\"2964:

doodbug\" post_id=\"2020511\" time=\"1618559630\" user_id=\"13281:

Sorry, just curious - do all students take HCLor is there any criteria to continue with HCL in the upper sec years?

O level students follow their MOE eligibility letter.
All IP students take HCL.

To add on -

those girls from the \"O-level track\" who had failed to obtain that PSLE eligibility letter from MOE & are currently in 2021 Sec 1, do not be dismayed

because

at year-end assessment October this year, if you do well in your bu-hua (Standard CL),

can approach Chinese HOD (Ms Low), seek request to switch over from bu-hua to gao-hua starting next year Sec 2.

In fact,
this was what happened to some of our Sec 1 students, last year.

Initially, they did bu-hua the whole of last year (2020).
This year (2021),
they came over to join our gao-hua (Higher Chinese) lessons.

Deducting two points from L1R5, for clearing gao-hua, made a lot of difference, when admission into Junior Colleges !

Not only this, but is also such a great relief & advantage that in JC1 or in Year 5 (IP),
one can fully concentrate on the core, essential 4 \" H2 \" A-level subjects, no need to still must set aside time to study Chinese (JC).

If not sure what's the \"qualifying\" criteria, to cross over from bu-hua into gao-hua,
can check with either your own class laoshi or check with our Chinese HOD. Total, there are 5 O-level classes in St Nick.

There is also another group of 5 \"IP\" classes. All IP students do gao-hua

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doodbug\" post_id=\"2020797\" time=\"1618890777\" user_id=\"13281:

In my DS' school, you generally cannot take BSP with Triple Science.

doodbug\" post_id=\"2020827\" time=\"1618899826\" user_id=\"13281:

I don't think BSP is a heavily subscribed option at SCGS -

it certainly is interesting, but there are also other interesting pursuits like Art, Music, 3rd Language, or some will opt for Triple Science.

For comparison with SCGS Secondary,

for \"end-of-Sec 2\" students
who are keen in our CHIJ St Nicholas Girls (BSP) -


1)

to qualify for BSP (Bi-cultural programme),

there is a certain minimum grade expected in a SAP school, from our gao-hua (HCL) students. You can check & clarify with your own class laoshi or Chinese HOD what this minimum expectation is.

Cannot be the situation whereby, all participants / applicants interested, will get it.


And


2)

for \"O-level\" students who are interested -

Once they are offered BSP & if they accept this BSP offer -

then,
pupils must cross over into IP (Year 3 starting),
cannot still continue remain fixated inside O-level track any more.

This is something that O-level students need to be aware, take note of.

So, those of you who are aiming / targeting to go to some other Junior College(s) apart from Eunoia JC or go Polytechnic after your \"Os\", then cannot take BSP.


More info here, concerning BSP (St Nick) :-


https://chijstnicholasgirls.moe.edu.sg/secondary/learning-at-st-nicks/key-programmes/talent-development/bicultural-studies-programme

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doodbug\" post_id=\"2020511\" time=\"1618559630\" user_id=\"13281:

Sorry,

just curious - do all students take HCL or is there any criteria to continue with HCL in the upper sec years?

do All students take HCL ?

a) for IP : Yes, all take HCL


b) for O-level : depend

Those given MOE eligibility letter : Yes , go ahead to take Sec 1 (HCL)

Those without MOE eligibility letter :
No.

Sec 1, whole year do bu-hua (Standard CL)

@end of Sec 1 -
Re-assess, one more time

If year-end Sec 1 (bu-hua) results good +
If Sec 1 (overall) results also good, can write in to HOD, appeal to take off HCL starting Sec 2.


Next question -
Amongst Total 5 O-level classes, how many Sec 1 pupils, do bu-hua ?

Based on 2021 Sec 2 batch -

MAJORITY
of our O-level pupils are doing gao-hua (HCL),
because
they are given the MOE eligibility letter.

Whether students have previously entered by PSLE Tscore or by the Affliation route, as long as they posses this MOE letter, all start Sec 1 (HCL).


Out of five O-level classes,

in each class,
on average,
out of say, around 38 girls per class,

very few girls do bu-hua,
usually only single-digit.

Majority, still do gao-hua, amongst our O-level pupils.

[lee_yl]

phtthp\" post_id=\"2020994\" time=\"1619050807\" user_id=\"35251:

doodbug\" post_id=\"2020511\" time=\"1618559630\" user_id=\"13281:

Sorry,

just curious - do all students take HCL or is there any criteria to continue with HCL in the upper sec years?

do All students take HCL ?

a) for IP : Yes, all take HCL

For IP students (e.g. DSA) who don’t meet HCL eligibility criteria set by MOE, can they take HCL once they get into SAP Sec? That is, top 30% in psle with A* for Chinese or HCL Merit.

As students proceed to upper sec and are not coping well with HCL, there is no option to do normal Chinese?

[MerlionInGermany]

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doodbug\" post_id=\"2020797\" time=\"1618890777\" user_id=\"13281:

In my DS' school, you generally cannot take BSP with Triple Science.

doodbug\" post_id=\"2020827\" time=\"1618899826\" user_id=\"13281:

I don't think BSP is a heavily subscribed option at SCGS -
it certainly is interesting, but there are also other interesting pursuits like Art, Music, 3rd Language, or some will opt for Triple Science.

For comparison with SCGS Secondary,

for \"end-of-Sec 2\" students
1) who are keen in our CHIJ St Nicholas Girls (BSP) -
——
(Not), all participants / applicants interested, will get it.


And
2)for \"O-level\" students who are interested -
Once they are offered BSP & if they accept this BSP offer -
then, pupils must cross over into IP (Year 3 starting),
cannot still continue remain fixated inside O-level track any more.

1) BSP in SNGS is not by application.
2) I am not completely certain but I think the sequence is wrong — you dont get offered BSP and then accept and then switch to IP. You need to be offered to switch to IP first, before anything else can happen.

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lee_yl\" post_id=\"2020996\" time=\"1619051610\" user_id=\"17023:

1) For IP students (e.g. DSA) who don’t meet HCL eligibility criteria set by MOE, can they take HCL once they get into SAP Sec? That is, top 30% in psle with A* for Chinese or HCL Merit.

2) As students proceed to upper sec and are not coping well with HCL, there is no option to do normal Chinese?

1) Yes. IP = HCL.
2) Coping well or not is subjective, you only need a D7 to skip H1 CL. That is 45 marks? Unlikely that with the SAP culture surrounding you all day, and teachers looking after you, and you cannot score even 45. The school organises remedial classes for those who are weaker in HCL but I do not know how many marks you need to get, in order to get to join this class. So to answer the question, it is no.

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MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2021005:

1) BSP in SNGS is not by application.


2) I am not completely certain but I think the sequence is wrong — you dont get offered BSP and then accept and then switch to IP. You need to be offered to switch to IP first, before anything else can happen.

fyi


Guideline from St Nick Secondary -


\"
Concerning BSP Admission guidelines :-

O-level candidates who wish to offer the BSP will need to meet a certain minimum requirement in Higher Chinese

And

join the IP program, as the IP course structure is needed for students' BSP research projects. \"

As for crossing over from end-of-Sec2 OP into IP (Year 3), that will be another different set of criteria

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MerlionInGermany\" post_id=\"2021005:

1) BSP in SNGS is not by application.
2) I am not completely certain but I think the sequence is wrong — you dont get offered BSP and then accept and then switch to IP. You need to be offered to switch to IP first, before anything else can happen.

Concerning BSP Admission guidelines :-
A) O-level candidates who wish to offer the BSP will need to meet a certain minimum requirement in Higher Chinese
And
B) join the IP program, as the IP course structure is needed for students' BSP research projects. \"

C) As for crossing over from end-of-Sec2 OP into IP (Year 3), that will be another different set of criteria

1) and A) No conflict here. It is not by application. You meet a set of criteria and then you get offered the programme, which you can accept or decline.

2) and A) and B) and C) No conflict here. You meet a set of criteria for OP to IP first, and then you meet a set of criteria for BSP, then you get offered to switch to IP and to join BSP, which you can accept or decline. I cannot imagine it is meeting BSP criteria first then IP criteria because IP criteria is higher than BSP criteria. What A) and B) is saying is simply that BSP is for IP so one cannot be in BSP OP. Or in your words,

phtthp\" post_id=\"2020991\" time=\"1619048053\" user_id=\"35251:

cannot still continue remain fixated inside O-level track any more.

But as I said in 2) bold, I am not completely certain if it is BSP-IP or IP-BSP, so if it concerns any of you, you should really check and not just look at ksp.

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[doodbug]

I am not sure if SCGS conducts remedial/supplementary classes for students who are weak in HCL. All I know is that all remedial/supplementary classes are compulsory, if you have been identified to attend for any subject. As to which subjects and what the cut off is for such classes, I am not sure. For my DD (also applies to my DS), her weakest subject by far is HCL (I think her grades are anything from B3 to C5 but I don’t track regularly - I guess I have zero expectations for my kids’ HCL cos they didn’t even do it in primary school) and she has not been called for any remedial/supplementary.