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jedamum:
jedamum,in this case, the sonS all agreed on a common burial. although instructions had been given to nephews, the sons may have thought what right do 'outsiders' have regarding such final decisions? things like this is always so touchy and sensitive......maybe the deceased had not informed his sons....maybe the sons wanted a common (to their beliefs) burial so that they can continue to offer prayers their way; maybe they sincerely wanted the deceased to go to heaven (which they believe has only one route). maybe they want to have the chance to reunite with the deceased when their time is up. maybe....
also, imagine if his sons had differing views on the types of burial and hence created a crack in their relationship, wouldn't that be worse?
deceased wish more important or decisions of those living take precedence?
in any case, no matter what is done, death of a close one will always leave behind disagreement of some sorts; it is a matter of how the living resolves them and continue to co-exist and continue the 'togetherness'/unity that the deceased hope them to have.
MHO.
I was thinking of what you wrote.
The sons were informed of the old man's wishes.
let's reverse the scenerio. Say now you jedamum is a Christian. You are old and frail. Your children converted to Muslims. You requested to have a christian burial and made arrangements and payments towards it. (sorry I'm not very sure of the religion practises) So just before you die, your kids convert you to muslim so they can continue the 'togetherness/unity'... ??
Sorry if I have offended anyone. But I think we should have a basic respect for all religion and accept that these are choices people made and respect it as well. I really think we should also respect a dying person's wish...
just add on to insider's 百善以孝为先, we should also have 一颗包容的心。。。
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[quote]But I think we should have a basic respect for all religion and accept that these are choices people made and respect it as well. I really think we should also respect a dying person's wish...
[/quote]Definitely. God honours all our decisions as well. Decisions that we make for ourselves and not imposed on us by our children or parents or friends. -
hmmm…can’t imagine Muslim/Christian children having to organise a Buddhist/Taoist funeral.
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Dun have to…those living can make the decision for the dead…over-riding decision maybe…
With all respect…wat can the dead do… -
auntieM:
Someone made a interesting observation that Ming Yi and this guy are from RI?????After the high profile Ming Yi case now this...
Wonder how events will unfold? -
tree nymph:
you are right. they baptised the father just before he passed on. sorry for the typo.
I wonder if something had been lost in the telling of this story. You can't baptise someone after he has passed on, only whilst he is alive.3Boys:
[quote=\"tree nymph\"]Mathsparks,
a distant relative - old cousin granduncle kind, he is a Buddhist. His sons are Christians. But the old man's nephews are not. So before he passed away, he bought his own place in the temple, arranged for his nephew to hold his urn, make all the arrangement for his funeral to be carried out the Buddhist way. The moment he passed away, his sons, didn't inform their cousins, and baptized the father and held a Christian Funeral...
but anyway, this is very OT...[/quote]tree nymph,
this is fundamentally the issue when it comes to these types of exchanges. A small incident gets spice added with each re-telling, until suddenly, it becomes a gross misdemeanour.
Does anyone here actually know the whole story? Did the father relent and change his mind? There are so many unknowns, yet folk in this forum, in blissful ignorance, would choose to pile in and point an accusing finger.
Yes, its OT from the topic. But to whoever posted the topic in the first place, was it not entirely predictable that it was going to turn into a bashing session, that it would head down this path from Post #3 onwards? -
MMM:
Oh really????? Thats interesting!
Someone made a interesting observation that Ming Yi and this guy are from RI?????auntieM:
After the high profile Ming Yi case now this...
Wonder how events will unfold?
Actually, I find their relationship a bit odd. OT!!!!
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3Boys:
tree nymph,
you are right. they baptised the father just before he passed on. sorry for the typo.tree nymph:
[quote=\"3Boys\"]
I wonder if something had been lost in the telling of this story. You can't baptise someone after he has passed on, only whilst he is alive.
but anyway, this is very OT...
this is fundamentally the issue when it comes to these types of exchanges. A small incident gets spice added with each re-telling, until suddenly, it becomes a gross misdemeanour.
Does anyone here actually know the whole story? Did the father relent and change his mind? There are so many unknowns, yet folk in this forum, in blissful ignorance, would choose to pile in and point an accusing finger.
Yes, its OT from the topic. But to whoever posted the topic in the first place, was it not entirely predictable that it was going to turn into a bashing session, that it would head down this path from Post #3 onwards?[/quote]i thot so too.
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tree nymph:
i know where you are coming from, but i couldn't really know how i will feel :scratchhead: cos i am currently a free-thinker.
let's reverse the scenerio. Say now you jedamum is a Christian. ....
yes, respect for our elders is first in priority for us, but for some, it is Religion first, Family second. Some already not listening to their parents when they are living, how to expect them to listen when they are deceased?
it is no wonder some parents are resentful of their children adopting religion that is in conflict with their (parents) beliefs for fear of incidence such as 'forced burial' - but then isn't happiness of the children of the parents' priority?
so complex.... -
Nebbermind:
hmmm...can't imagine Muslim/Christian children having to organise a Buddhist/Taoist funeral.
guess that is what relatives can come in for. relatives of the same generation as the deceased typically has more saying power than those in the generations of the deceased's children - all the more for us to have more than one kid?
but then again, for my dad's taoist funeral rites, even some older relatives suggested including funeral rite practices which were buddhist ritual related cos they claimed that that should be the proper practice. those christian relatives leave us alone to handle the affairs our way.
seriously OT already.... :politebleah:
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