City Harvest Church under investigation.. ...

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3Boys:

tree nymph:

[quote=\"3Boys\"]
I wonder if something had been lost in the telling of this story. You can't baptise someone after he has passed on, only whilst he is alive.

you are right. they baptised the father just before he passed on. sorry for the typo.

but anyway, this is very OT...

tree nymph,
this is fundamentally the issue when it comes to these types of exchanges. A small incident gets spice added with each re-telling, until suddenly, it becomes a gross misdemeanour.

Does anyone here actually know the whole story? Did the father relent and change his mind? There are so many unknowns, yet folk in this forum, in blissful ignorance, would choose to pile in and point an accusing finger.

Yes, its OT from the topic. But to whoever posted the topic in the first place, was it not entirely predictable that it was going to turn into a bashing session, that it would head down this path from Post #3 onwards?[/quote]i thot so too.

[jedamum]

tree nymph:

let's reverse the scenerio. Say now you jedamum is a Christian. ....

i know where you are coming from, but i couldn't really know how i will feel :scratchhead: cos i am currently a free-thinker.
yes, respect for our elders is first in priority for us, but for some, it is Religion first, Family second. Some already not listening to their parents when they are living, how to expect them to listen when they are deceased? it is no wonder some parents are resentful of their children adopting religion that is in conflict with their (parents) beliefs for fear of incidence such as 'forced burial' - but then isn't happiness of the children of the parents' priority?
so complex....

[jedamum]

Nebbermind:

hmmm...can't imagine Muslim/Christian children having to organise a Buddhist/Taoist funeral.

guess that is what relatives can come in for. relatives of the same generation as the deceased typically has more saying power than those in the generations of the deceased's children - all the more for us to have more than one kid?
but then again, for my dad's taoist funeral rites, even some older relatives suggested including funeral rite practices which were buddhist ritual related cos they claimed that that should be the proper practice. those christian relatives leave us alone to handle the affairs our way.
seriously OT already.... :politebleah:

[raynreg]

Jedamum..this was what i wanted to put forth in my earlier post.

jedamum:

yes, respect for our elders is first in priority for us, but for some, it is Religion first, Family second

[jedamum]

raynreg:

Jedamum..this was what i wanted to put forth in my earlier post.

jedamum:

yes, respect for our elders is first in priority for us, but for some, it is Religion first, Family second

i know la. :celebrate:

[tree nymph]

3Boys:

tree nymph,
this is fundamentally the issue when it comes to these types of exchanges. A small incident gets spice added with each re-telling, until suddenly, it becomes a gross misdemeanour.

Does anyone here actually know the whole story? Did the father relent and change his mind? There are so many unknowns, yet folk in this forum, in blissful ignorance, would choose to pile in and point an accusing finger.

Yes, its OT from the topic. But to whoever posted the topic in the first place, was it not entirely predictable that it was going to turn into a bashing session, that it would head down this path from Post #3 onwards?

3boys,

I seriously don't think this is a bashing session and I am slo not pointing my finger at anything. I don't think anyone here treats it this way.

For me, its a matter of basic respect and tolerance to all religion.

[tree nymph]

jedamum:

but i couldn't really know how i will feel

you are right, some kids are already not obeying parents when parents are alive, what more when they are dead??

:roll: :roll:

ashes to ashes, dust to dust...

The dead may not feel anything afterall... :!: :!:

[Nebbermind]

insider:

Told her repercussion is serious for the peacefulness of my soul and after life as well as for their karma (that include their kids) and don't play play...

Unfortunately, this is only applicable if they share the same belief that has the element of karma

[jedamum]

insider:

I was sharing with my daughter about this last night and told her must respect my last wish ....

somehow, i feel that daughters make better bearers of last wishes than sons...

[corneyAmber]

tree nymph:

3Boys:

tree nymph,
this is fundamentally the issue when it comes to these types of exchanges. A small incident gets spice added with each re-telling, until suddenly, it becomes a gross misdemeanour.

Does anyone here actually know the whole story? Did the father relent and change his mind? There are so many unknowns, yet folk in this forum, in blissful ignorance, would choose to pile in and point an accusing finger.

Yes, its OT from the topic. But to whoever posted the topic in the first place, was it not entirely predictable that it was going to turn into a bashing session, that it would head down this path from Post #3 onwards?

3boys,

I seriously don't think this is a bashing session and I am slo not pointing my finger at anything. I don't think anyone here treats it this way.

For me, its a matter of basic respect and tolerance to all religion.

I don't think this was tree nymph's intent, she just shared what she knew about what some people had done.

Also Christian's are also human beings, so they can make mistakes. In fact there are Christians who can misinterpret the Biblical teachings too, so we have to know God based on who He is and not what Christians are.

Having said this, I do agree that this CHC issue under scrutiny now is not a function of religion so this discussion into religion is not so appropriate. This whole episode rooted from one of the seven sins embedded in most people....and that is GREED.

Durai and Ming Yi has already shown us their misdeeds when they were tempted and they were not Christians but other religions. So what really worries me is that even with a religion, it seems that it is still not a sufficient condition to counter this deadly temptation of GREED when alot of money is presented before one's eyes..... Then what else must be done?? :?