Affiliated Schools and their COPs
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Dino\" post_id=\"2023469\" time=\"1620629441\" user_id=\"6726:
i think its a matter of demand and supply? becos there are just that few local schools doing IB and so many pple wants, that's why the cop sure is high?[/quote]I've always wondered how many people actually pick the curriculum vs. just picking the school (and then accept whatever curriculum they are offering)? I would think the schools that are offering IB would likely have a high COP regardless.
Coz my thinking is since you need good score in order to go into IB in the first place..so for a kid that is average in OP, go get a U turn to IB can help ?MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2023457\" time=\"1620628181\" user_id=\"43981:
[quote=doodbug post_id=2023455 time=1620628049 user_id=13281]
What do you mean by same standard? The academic profile of students that local international schools admit is far more varied than ACS(I) so naturally, the IB results range is far more varied as well. However, I would say that even with 38 points, you have access to a good range of overseas universities.
And I don't think the IB itself is better suited to any particular scoring range. It just happens that only the better scoring students can qualify directly after PSLE. I think that is part of the question (hope) as to whether a broader range of schools can offer IB (although I always assumed the answer given above was the reason why we don't see other options). -
SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2023486\" time=\"1620633027\" user_id=\"188234:
The blue bit refers to non-international schools, i.e. those with PSLE COP. That's partly/mainly because demand > supply. For the local international schools, at least for 1 school, they only require that the child is eligible for Express. And while they publicise their top IB scores, I don't know about the rest of the students. I would hazard a guess that not that many would make it to local universities even if they were Singaporeans, and since many probably are foreigners, they won't even be trying (because it's harder to get in if you aren't Singaporean).
I've always wondered how many people actually pick the curriculum vs. just picking the school (and then accept whatever curriculum they are offering)? I would think the schools that are offering IB would likely have a high COP regardless.
And I don't think the IB itself is better suited to any particular scoring range. It just happens that only the better scoring students can qualify directly after PSLE. I think that is part of the question (hope) as to whether a broader range of schools can offer IB (although I always assumed the answer given above was the reason why we don't see other options). -
doodbug\" post_id=\"2023472\" time=\"1620629532\" user_id=\"13281:
In the past, my impression is that the Singaporean kids in Int'l Schools are those who generally did not fare well at PSLE or not thriving in the local schools. But nowadays, I am seeing more professional parents, and senior govt pp sending their kids to int'l schools, and not always because their kids are not thriving academically, but fundamentally, they believe it is a more rounded, less narrow education system, and better exposure.[/quote]Well, I would say a mixture of both. Two I knew had high Tscore like 240-250, but the rest couldn’t not make it back to their affiliated sec schools.
If parents are willing to fork out that kind of money, the kids’ academic journey (and even future career path) will be rendered easier. I will think twice cos the fees are high but from examples I have seen, the money is well spent!lee_yl\" post_id=\"2023467\" time=\"1620629270\" user_id=\"17023:
[quote=doodbug post_id=2023442 time=1620623194 user_id=13281]Yes. Plus the IB is probably and arguably, the most widely recognized pre-university qualification worldwide. Hence naturally, many (globe-trotting) parents do favour the IB.
There are a significant number of S'porean students in ACS/SJI/HC International Schools
One relative’s NYPS DD, she scored below 250 so she couldn’t make it back to NYGH. The mum brought her to a few open houses (neighborhood sec schools) but the daughter didn’t like the environment, so in the end they chose SJI(I). -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2023489\" time=\"1620633502\" user_id=\"28674:
I believe ACSI provide a very good write up of https://www.acsinternational.edu.sg/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/IBDP-EXAMINATION-2020-RESULTS-14-Jan-2021.pdf for comparison.
The blue bit refers to non-international schools, i.e. those with PSLE COP. That's partly/mainly because demand > supply. For the local international schools, at least for 1 school, they only require that the child is eligible for Express. And while they publicise their top IB scores, I don't know about the rest of the students. I would hazard a guess that not that many would make it to local universities even if they were Singaporeans, and since many probably are foreigners, they won't even be trying (because it's harder to get in if you aren't Singaporean).SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2023486\" time=\"1620633027\" user_id=\"188234:
I've always wondered how many people actually pick the curriculum vs. just picking the school (and then accept whatever curriculum they are offering)? I would think the schools that are offering IB would likely have a high COP regardless.
And I don't think the IB itself is better suited to any particular scoring range. It just happens that only the better scoring students can qualify directly after PSLE. I think that is part of the question (hope) as to whether a broader range of schools can offer IB (although I always assumed the answer given above was the reason why we don't see other options).
ACSI has 2 perfect scorers (45); ACS(I) has 273 students scoring between 42 to 45 points.
92% of ACSI students scored above the world average of 29.81 points and the school average is 35.7 points while ACS(I) cohort of 443 students achieved an average score of 41.8 points with 100% passes. 363 (82%) of them also obtained 40 points and above.
HCIS also tells a similar story as ACSI. -
https://www.sji-international.com.sg/school-life/university-guidance
The average IB score at SJI International is 38. Which means, the average student at SJI International will qualify for a good number of courses (not Med) in the local universities, but they will qualify for consideration/shortlist to most top UK universities. -
https://www.hcis.edu.sg/en_US/student-learning/2020-ib-results/
At Hwa Chong International, more than half the students scored 38 points or higher, and this does open many university opportunities for them. -
SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2023482\" time=\"1620632312\" user_id=\"188234:
IB Diploma is not wholly a one-off written exam. I believe a certain assessment weightage is from the EE (extended essay), which is a 4000-word research paper that is not taken under rigid exam conditions.
Just curious, when looking at Year 5-6, do people still prefer the IB curriculum/teaching style or is it more that you (may) have a broader range of outcomes depending on the results?
I see the different teaching and assessment style in say years 1-4, and see why this is attractive to some. But I thought the IB diploma points (Year 5-6) are still basically riding on 1 written exam? It's not quite 100% like the A-Levels but I thought the vast majority of the score is coming from the final exam and not other classwork/projects (in contrast with the earlier years).
https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/extended-essay/ -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2023498\" time=\"1620637228\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2023498 time=1620637228 user_id=53606]
Yes, but isn't this kind of like PW? 42 out of the 45 points are still from the main 6 subjects, and I think in Year 5-6 most of the 1-7 points for a subject is from the written exam (note: should have wrote 1 written exam per subject in my original post).SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2023482\" time=\"1620632312\" user_id=\"188234:
IB Diploma is not wholly a one-off written exam. I believe a certain assessment weightage is from the EE (extended essay), which is a 4000-word research paper that is not taken under rigid exam conditions.Just curious, when looking at Year 5-6, do people still prefer the IB curriculum/teaching style or is it more that you (may) have a broader range of outcomes depending on the results?
I see the different teaching and assessment style in say years 1-4, and see why this is attractive to some. But I thought the IB diploma points (Year 5-6) are still basically riding on 1 written exam? It's not quite 100% like the A-Levels but I thought the vast majority of the score is coming from the final exam and not other classwork/projects (in contrast with the earlier years).
https://www.ibo.org/programmes/diploma-programme/curriculum/extended-essay/[/quote]
I don't have a preference for A Levels, and I am pretty much indifferent between the two. My main point was more that I thought the continual assessment (i.e. not all written exams) that is present in the lower years is not really how the diploma is scored/graded in the end. -
If I’m not wrong JC Project Work is a group project (with a write up I presume). Whereas EE is an individual piece that requires more extensive research with more reading up of sources/citations. And no scientific-type of project topics.
And regarding the written exams, apparently IB written papers require more breadth & less depth versus A level papers require more depth but narrower topics. So IB exams kinda suits people who have varied interests/knowledge across diverse fields. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2023505\" time=\"1620640093\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2023505 time=1620640093 user_id=53606]
Yes, JC PW is a group project, and the emphasis is not super-academic. More on working together, writing the report, presentation etc. And it's a H1 subject - only half-weight for local university admission, and totally ignored by all other universities. I don't know much about the EE for IB, but based on kids in my church (at least 2 of them are the \"top student\" type), it's more demanding than PW. And beyond the EE, I believe that some work in IB Y5-6 does count toward the final grade. It's not totally the final exam.
If I’m not wrong JC Project Work is a group project (with a write up I presume). Whereas EE is an individual piece that requires more extensive research with more reading up of sources/citations. And no scientific-type of project topics.
And regarding the written exams, apparently IB written papers require more breadth & less depth versus A level papers require more depth but narrower topics. So IB exams kinda suits people who have varied interests/knowledge across diverse fields.[/quote]
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