Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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Like: vaccinate yourself to not relying on oxygen support when being infected
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Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2026359\" time=\"1622984944\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2026359 time=1622984944 user_id=58173]
Re the passport no. - since this changes every time we change passport, we will need to get a new cert after changing passport, I suppose.
*Community Announcement*
For those vaccinated (2doses) can visit *notarise.gov.sg* to get your digital vaccination certificate. Your passport number is also attached.
If you got your second dose more than 14 days ago, you can get the vaccination certificate from the above link
Your passport number will be attached to facilitate application for travel and entry to destination location.
Another service from GovTech[/quote] -
starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2026377\" time=\"1623018976\" user_id=\"14025:
Like: vaccinate yourself to not relying on oxygen support when being infected
It will be better for the government to break down the numbers in the chart by age group and more importantly, those with pre-existing conditions like cancer.
The reason being those aged and with pre-existing conditions are those who will likely be ones with severe covid-19 symptoms and yet they are also the ones who will likely not be \"suitable for vaccination\". This bias in the samples, if not corrected will inevitably skewed the figures of the percentage who \"will suffer from severe symptoms\" among the unvaccinated.
The benefits for vaccination among the younger cohort (say below 65 years old) will only be unbiased if we compared figures only belonging to the same age segments. -
WE2012\" post_id=\"2026385\" time=\"1623032290\" user_id=\"138082:
I would like to see the breakdown of the patients who were hospitalized in NCID, who were in ICU, who passed away, from Covid.starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2026377\" time=\"1623018976\" user_id=\"14025:
Like: vaccinate yourself to not relying on oxygen support when being infected
It will be better for the government to break down the numbers in the chart by age group and more importantly, those with pre-existing conditions like cancer.
The reason being those aged and with pre-existing conditions are those who will likely be ones with severe covid-19 symptoms and yet they are also the ones who will likely not be \"suitable for vaccination\". This bias in the samples, if not corrected will inevitably skewed the figures of the percentage who \"will suffer from severe symptoms\" among the unvaccinated.
The benefits for vaccination among the younger cohort (say below 65 years old) will only be unbiased if we compared figures only belonging to the same age segments.
What were their pre-existing conditions (if any)? And were they vaccinated (one dose or two doses? Which brand?)
Only then can we draw some meaningful conclusions.
Infection rates stats are not very crucial if the infections aren’t hurting anyone. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2026375\" time=\"1623015420\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2026375 time=1623015420 user_id=53606]
Yes, absolutely correct. I went for the jab knowing this very well as I've read quite a lot of academic research papers on my own accord
The other immediate takeaway I had from the coloured chart chart was that: vaccination does not prevent us from being carriers & spreaders. This contradicts what govt would like us to believe (which is, “vaccinate yourself to protect your elderly family members”). Right now, the only evidence I’m seeing in SG is more in line with “vaccinate to protect yourself from having to get oxygen support and/or death from Covid”.
There is plenty of RRT going on that you may not be aware of. DH and everyone in his industry has had to report for nasal swab regularly for the past year or so (I think). Recently it is as frequent as every 7 days.
Those who were at the malls, lived in those HDB blocks? We saw the long Qs at the swabbing centres in the news. At the RRT centres there’s also a steady flow of people reporting daily. And govt is intending to ramp up even more (maybe not all via nasal swabs).
I don’t know where to get the numbers but we seem to have run millions of PCR tests so far for such a tiny population. Gotta say the turnaround test result time of ~24-48 hours for that kind of volume is highly efficient.[/quote]
There's an academic study done in N Carolina where they found that Covid-19 infections, hospitalizations and deaths would continue to rise if SMMs such as quarantine, school closures, social distancing and mask-wearing were lifted while vaccines were being rolled out.
If we'd removed all the SMMs while vaccinations were ongoing, 91.7% in the unvaccinated group could become say, 71.9%, who knows? More unvaccinated adults might need ventilators, and this would increase the country's healthcare costs greatly. That's why I will continue to don my mask till next year!
In essence, this study showed that:
If vaccines with 50% efficacy were rolled out to 25% of adults, the model showed an average of 2.2 million new infections when precautions were lifted, and just under 800,000 new infections when they were maintained.
If vaccines with 90% efficacy were given to 75% of adults, the model showed an average of 527,409 new infections when precautions were lifted, and 450,575 new infections when they were maintained.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2780539?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=060121
OK I'm like comparing SG with China which does mass pool testings for the entire population of a single province. Ours is more selective, i.e. specific HDB blocks, malls and institutions.
Yup, I know our SG migrant worker dorms have RRTs on a fortnightly basis. Large plants especially the GLCs also conduct RRTs for staff.
We've tested over 11.9 million since last year, which accounts for 2 million tests per 1 million persons in our population. The PCR turnarounds are very impressive indeed! My new helper's results came back within 36hrs. Turnaround cannot be too slow if you want to stem the spread.
Taiwan's been doing ''regressive calibration'' for their PCR backlogs, due to low testing capacity in their labs. By the time their lab churns out the PCR results, those cases had gone to so many places in Taipei or had deteriorated and died of silent hypoxia at home! -
.zeit\" post_id=\"2026372\" time=\"1623002502\" user_id=\"171271:
Partial CB, wearing of masks, tightening measures etc. can only explain the small number of community cases in SG but it does not explain why 91.7% of the non-vaccinated covid patients experience no or mild symptoms.
I think the reason why the No & Mild Symptoms % in the unvaccinated & vaccinated group are so close is simply because we are in partial CB and have all the SMMs in place. Moreover, we are all wearing masks. Would be interesting to see the % if we didn't have all the stringent measures. -
sky minecrafter\" post_id=\"2026352\" time=\"1622967563\" user_id=\"130531:[quote=\"sky minecrafter\" post_id=2026352 time=1622967563 user_id=130531]
WHO's 60-70% HIT was on the assumption that we're still attacked by the original Wuhan strain whose R0 was roughly 2-2.5 last year. But delta variant is said to be >7, even higher than the beta (South African) and gamma (Brazil) variants, so you need to select a vaccine that has a high efficacy (Pfizer is 88% against the delta variant), coupled with a higher HIT of 80-90%.
...Are we there yet? What happens if the U.S. can't reach herd immunity. 05 June 2021
...Herd immunity is often seen as the end game of the COVID-19 pandemic. This threshold is reached when the virus cannot easily spread because most people have built up immunity through vaccination or natural infection...
Experts estimate that we’ll reach herd immunity for COVID-19 when 65 to 80 percent of the population is vaccinated...
Amid a swirl of misinformation, distribution issues, and legitimate hesitancy, as of June 3, only 51 percent of Americans have received at least one shot, and just 41 percent are fully vaccinated...
In December, White House advisor Anthony Fauci even suggested herd immunity might require vaccinating up to 90 percent of the population...
Source: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/are-we-there-yet-what-happens-if-the-us-cant-reach-herd-immunity
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If we use a vaccine of 51% efficacy for a small segment of our population (say just 100,000 pax), we will be introducing a small weak spot here, but that's ok, as we can overcome such virulent strain by coaxing more people to be vaccinated to up our HIT.
This article on Seychelles was widely reported worldwide. It explains why the govt's choice of vaccines in its National Vaccine Program, the target HIT and genome sequencing / surveillance /phylogenetic testings to find out what exactly are the strains attacking the community are all important to combating the pandemic effectively. As the saying goes, 对症下药。
https://www.downtoearth.org.in/blog/health/covid-is-surging-in-the-world-s-most-vaccinated-country-why--77000
Or read Mdm's explanation, which MOH doesn't tell us.
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1736170579904102&id=100005335308340
The advantage of mRNA is that the messenger code can be updated easily, as and when a new escape variant pops up. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2026395\" time=\"1623044421\" user_id=\"17023:
PM this scientific question to the DMS, minister or MOH?
Partial CB, wearing of masks, tightening measures etc. can only explain the small number of community cases in SG but it does not explain why 91.7% of the non-vaccinated covid patients experience no or mild symptoms..zeit\" post_id=\"2026372\" time=\"1623002502\" user_id=\"171271:
I think the reason why the No & Mild Symptoms % in the unvaccinated & vaccinated group are so close is simply because we are in partial CB and have all the SMMs in place. Moreover, we are all wearing masks. Would be interesting to see the % if we didn't have all the stringent measures.
:evil:
Everyone, including the tuition kids, teachers and many others, was donning masks. How did they get it?
Maybe they were wearing non-medical masks ASTM F2100 Level 3, so they did not get a full blown infection and as such the viral load in their bodies was low?
Maybe LP had hand sanitisers & practised social distancing in the classroom, so they were not close to one another and didn't inhale the whole load of germs from the LP tutor?
It could have been worse methinks. For the past many months, the Taiwanese had completely removed their masks. They also don't have social distancing markers at their public spaces. That's why a few unvaccinated young persons 30-40yo just died suddenly when they got infected by alpha B117. -
.zeit\" post_id=\"2026399\" time=\"1623046010\" user_id=\"171271:
PM this scientific question to the DMS, minister or MOH?
Partial CB, wearing of masks, tightening measures etc. can only explain the small number of community cases in SG but it does not explain why 91.7% of the non-vaccinated covid patients experience no or mild symptoms.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2026395\" time=\"1623044421\" user_id=\"17023:
[quote=.zeit post_id=2026372 time=1623002502 user_id=171271]
I think the reason why the No & Mild Symptoms % in the unvaccinated & vaccinated group are so close is simply because we are in partial CB and have all the SMMs in place. Moreover, we are all wearing masks. Would be interesting to see the % if we didn't have all the stringent measures. :evil:
Everyone, including the tuition kids, teachers and many others, was donning masks. How did they get it?
Maybe they were wearing non-medical masks ASTM F2100 Level 3, so they did not get a full blown infection and as such the viral load in their bodies was low?
Maybe LP had hand sanitisers & practised social distancing in the classroom, so they were not close to one another and didn't inhale the whole load of germs from the LP tutor?
It could have been worse methinks. For the past many months, the Taiwanese had completely removed their masks. They also don't have social distancing markers at their public spaces. That's why a few unvaccinated young persons 30-40yo just died suddenly when they got infected by alpha B117.[/quote]
Once you are infected, the virus will be using your own body cell to replicate itself and hence it is not dependent on the viral load you breath in on exposure, unless you are referring to the stage before infection.
There seems to be a lot more younger people in this current wave of infections. This is likely the reason why the % of mild cases is significantly higher compared to people in higher age group, who is medically more susceptible to severe covid-19 infection. But in any case, this may shows that there is no clear reason to vaccine the younger people when their chances of having severe covid-19 is low. To this end, MOH should release the data by age band to allow better understand of the risk profile of severe covid-19 for all age group.
Ultimately if the key purpose of vaccine is to reduce severity in the vulnerable population, let's target to get as many of these people vaccinated as possible. There may be no clear benefits in getting the younger people to vaccinate since they will get mild covid-19 even if unvaccinated and the vaccine is clearly not studied for longer term adverse impact.
As the Mindsville@Napiri case shows, vaccinated individuals, once infected also spread the disease like unvaccinated people and even with more than 90% in the home vaccinated, the disease can still continue to spread to 30 people. Hence the argument that \"vaccinate to protect others around you\" is not truly valid. -
I don’t believe it has been highlighted in the media, but for those who are special needs or related medical conditions (eg for the resident of Mindsville), they may be allowed to not wear a mask, hence the more prevalent spread.
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