Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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Estéema\" post_id=\"2028287\" time=\"1624857553\" user_id=\"66413:
Not according to Assoc Prof Raymond Lin of NCID. Vaccinated still can pass, according to NCID studies of local cases.
@yamyam
You forgot to share one more point with them :
Not being vaccinated though means you’re young enuf to sustain a bout of covid but it also means u might unknowingly pass on viruses to friend, neigbors or elderly relatives. Their lives are just as impt as our lives & those with pre-existing conditions & elderlies hv lower immunities to fight covid. Hope this helps add perspective in yr youth’s thought process.
That's what started this conversation.
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And I believe I just saw in today’s news, a 12 year old child from Zhangde Primary, despite having taken first dose of Pfizer vaccine, still caught Covid from a family member who’d visited the Bukit Merah market.
(Source: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/covid-19-new-community-cases-jun-27-changi-general-hospital-15101762)
So…let your kids take vaccine if U wish. But don’t be under the impression that they won’t catch anything. Or spread anything. -
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/covid-did-israel-screw-up-not-vaccinating-children-ages-12-15-right-away-672203
In the meantime, this is what is going on in Israel.
So it seems it has boiled down to 1 in 3000 chances of getting serious Covid [I]if[/I] a youngster is infected, versus 1 in 6000 of getting heart inflammation from the mrna vaccine. Probably 1 in 3000 if a boy! And 5% chance of the heart inflammation being serious if you get it.
Maybe Assoc Prof David Lye of NCID and Assoc Prof Raymond Lin of NCID should go and duke it out with each other.
Seems to me the answer is actually a no-brainer. -
yamyam\" post_id=\"2028282\" time=\"1624856560\" user_id=\"10645:
You may be better off without such friends.
I have friends that told me if I don’t get vaccinated, he/she won’t want to meet me. So, I can imagine, my teens will probably going to experience similar discussion. -
Just 2 days ago, WHO gave an update to urge all vaccinated folks to continue wearing masks as Delta variant spreads and vaccination alone won’t stop community infection.
Only after WHO has updated its findings then our “experts” started singing the same tune.
It is common sense isn’t it? From the many local cases we have seen, we have all guessed that covid vaccine does not stop covid transmission. Unfortunately, there are many, especially the westerners who still think otherwise.
The Covid vaccine, is not what we used to understand about traditional vaccine. DH says it looks like a ”PRE-CURE” of covid rather than a vaccine. A vaccinated person still gets infected and can be a carrier just that the symptoms are mild and hopefully the person doesn’t need to be hospitalised. -
pirate\" post_id=\"2028290\" time=\"1624857884\" user_id=\"66252:
Yes, I’m aware one can still be covid carrier after being vaccinated & unknowingly. However, with more community vaccinated, it’ll reduce the rampant infection rates with time.
Not according to Assoc Prof Raymond Lin of NCID. Vaccinated still can pass, according to NCID studies of local cases.Estéema\" post_id=\"2028287\" time=\"1624857553\" user_id=\"66413:
@yamyam
You forgot to share one more point with them :
Not being vaccinated though means you’re young enuf to sustain a bout of covid but it also means u might unknowingly pass on viruses to friend, neigbors or elderly relatives. Their lives are just as impt as our lives & those with pre-existing conditions & elderlies hv lower immunities to fight covid. Hope this helps add perspective in yr youth’s thought process. That's what started this conversation.
We’ve to protect ourselves fr current known strains, when new strains comes round, our medical system will hv less to juggle with & we hope to reduce burden of severe cases. The benefits outweighs the current risks & impending ones. Can’t imagine when we hv to grabble with known viruses & new and emerging ones; nor do we want to hv to set up tents & overwork our frontliners as we had in 2020 & the sights we see around with our neighboring countries which hv less medical capacity.
Vaccinate & still masks up and maintain social distancing & heightened hygiene coz we’re not out of the woods yet with many not vaccinated/can’t be vaccinated. -
Leeyl, what your dh says is what I understand… I m just hoping for less serious condition if so unlucky caught it.
Also, why is wearing mask so difficult leh. Even normal flu also some wear mask in order not to spread it around…and Covid time the more we should continue wear mask isnt it. -
For my kid I lean towards vacc. Just that hope to get more data first lor.
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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2028312\" time=\"1624862089\" user_id=\"43981:
For us it was imperative entire family take vaccinations & we’re prepared to take regular jabs moving fwd as we hv our elderlies amongst us we want to spend time with. Only our youngest nephew & nieces under 14 not vaccinated for now.
For my kid I lean towards vacc. Just that hope to get more data first lor.
It’ll be fool-hardy for us to throw caution to the wind like the westerners (liberalized attitude) to not wear masks or conduct social distancing.
My >10 year PRC friend & neigbor registered for vaccination with MOH but had 2nd thots & wld rather return to Tianjin, quarantine 2 weeks in Xi’an & then stay-home 7-days just to get their China vaccine refusing any vaccine related to mRNA for fear of DNA alteration! She’ll be back for ano 14-days’ quarantine @ SG.
Covid vaccination was to address the pandemic which is become endemic, yet with each vaccine developed, new strains evolved & mutates. That shld not render us to keep waiting for the ‘right vaccine’ indefinitely so as to persevere our current self as our current self may be exposed & ravaged before the ideal vaccine appears. If such is the case, I shld hv not booked myself for flu vaccines yearly before my travels before covid days since I’m aware it does not prevent me fr getting other variants of the flu bug.
Are we chasing after the wind? Guess whatever vaccination or whether even to be vaccinated we have to weigh it in balance & look beyond ourselves as we do not live in our island alone & the world is such a bigger & interesting place yet to explore & see if we can make efforts to fulfil our travel dreams. -
Estéema\" post_id=\"2028318\" time=\"1624863398\" user_id=\"66413:
Hi Esteema
For us it was imperative entire family take vaccinations & we’re prepared to take regular jabs moving fwd as we hv our elderlies amongst us we want to spend time with. Only our youngest nephew & nieces under 14 not vaccinated for now.MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2028312\" time=\"1624862089\" user_id=\"43981:
For my kid I lean towards vacc. Just that hope to get more data first lor.
It’ll be fool-hardy for us to throw caution to the wind like the westerners (liberalized attitude) to not wear masks or conduct social distancing.
My >10 year PRC friend & neigbor registered for vaccination with MOH but had 2nd thots & wld rather return to Tianjin, quarantine 2 weeks in Xi’an & then stay-home 7-days just to get their China vaccine refusing any vaccine related to mRNA for fear of DNA alteration! She’ll be back for ano 14-days’ quarantine @ SG.
Covid vaccination was to address the pandemic which is become endemic, yet with each vaccine developed, new strains evolved & mutates. That shld not render us to keep waiting for the ‘right vaccine’ indefinitely so as to persevere our current self as our current self may be exposed & ravaged before the ideal vaccine appears. If such is the case, I shld hv not booked myself for flu vaccines yearly before my travels before covid days since I’m aware it does not prevent me fr getting other variants of the flu bug.
Are we chasing after the wind? Guess whatever vaccination or whether even to be vaccinated we have to weigh it in balance & look beyond ourselves as we do not live in our island alone & the world is such a bigger & interesting place yet to explore & see if we can make efforts to fulfil our travel dreams.
It's not just the Westerners who are not wearing masks. Even the Asians (China included) - many places have dropped the mask requirements for a long time already.
Vaccination is a personal decision - I think we need to give some people more time to think through it and to come to terms with it. I would admit though, because of the economic cushioning effect through Jobs Support Scheme and others, many Singaporeans have not felt the full detrimental economic effects of not opening up. Which is perhaps why, there is less of an urgency on some people's part, to vaccinate.
Singaporeans have been shielded from Covid - both the economic impact and the health impact - we did not have major casualties in terms of deaths and neither did that many families see a drastic change in their financial circumstances - and perhaps this is why not everyone feels the imperative of (imperfect) vaccinations as yet.
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