Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2028312\" time=\"1624862089\" user_id=\"43981:
I don't have teens, but my nephew and 2 nieces are in sec school. My brother and sil are both doctors, and they signed up their kids immediately for vaccination when they were invited. Of course, long-term data is not available for these vaccines yet, but based on what they know about the science behind the vaccines, they tell me that they are sure that the risks of getting and spreading Covid are greater than the risks of adverse effects as far as they can tell, both now and in the future (of course, nothing is 100% certain in life).
For my kid I lean towards vacc. Just that hope to get more data first lor.
Yes, vaccination doesn't stop a kids catching or spreading the virus, but vaccinated people generally have no symptoms or very mild symptoms, which means that the viral load is low and they are less likely to spread the virus. Again, there is no 100% certainty. My nephew and nieces are in almost daily contact with 4 grandparents, and that is why my brother and sil decided on vaccination - the kids may still catch and spread Covid to the grandparents, but the risk of that is lower than if they were not vaccinated. The 4 grandparents are all vaccinated too, lowering the risk of their catching Covid, or getting very severe symptoms if they catch it. It's all about reducing risk of severe illness at the moment, not eliminating the risk of infection altogether. The only way to eliminate risk altogether with the science we have now is to put the grandparents in strict isolation until a perfect solution is found - my parents are in their 80s and the other pair are not much younger, and they are definitely not going to stay away from the grandchildren for another couple of years or more or forever, until a 100% elimination strategy is found.
Getting in a car or plane, or even crossing the road carries risk. I believe the risk of severe reactions to vaccines is unlikely to be higher. -
btw, does any parent here have friends who plan to have their teenagers go for only one shot, instead of two? i.e. just don’t show up for the 2nd shot.
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doodbug\" post_id=\"2028319\" time=\"1624864168\" user_id=\"13281:
Hi Esteema
For us it was imperative entire family take vaccinations & we’re prepared to take regular jabs moving fwd as we hv our elderlies amongst us we want to spend time with. Only our youngest nephew & nieces under 14 not vaccinated for now.Estéema\" post_id=\"2028318\" time=\"1624863398\" user_id=\"66413:
[quote=MrsKiasu post_id=2028312 time=1624862089 user_id=43981]For my kid I lean towards vacc. Just that hope to get more data first lor.
It’ll be fool-hardy for us to throw caution to the wind like the westerners (liberalized attitude) to not wear masks or conduct social distancing.
My >10 year PRC friend & neigbor registered for vaccination with MOH but had 2nd thots & wld rather return to Tianjin, quarantine 2 weeks in Xi’an & then stay-home 7-days just to get their China vaccine refusing any vaccine related to mRNA for fear of DNA alteration! She’ll be back for ano 14-days’ quarantine @ SG.
Covid vaccination was to address the pandemic which is become endemic, yet with each vaccine developed, new strains evolved & mutates. That shld not render us to keep waiting for the ‘right vaccine’ indefinitely so as to persevere our current self as our current self may be exposed & ravaged before the ideal vaccine appears. If such is the case, I shld hv not booked myself for flu vaccines yearly before my travels before covid days since I’m aware it does not prevent me fr getting other variants of the flu bug.
Are we chasing after the wind? Guess whatever vaccination or whether even to be vaccinated we have to weigh it in balance & look beyond ourselves as we do not live in our island alone & the world is such a bigger & interesting place yet to explore & see if we can make efforts to fulfil our travel dreams.
It's not just the Westerners who are not wearing masks. Even the Asians (China included) - many places have dropped the mask requirements for a long time already.
Vaccination is a personal decision - I think we need to give some people more time to think through it and to come to terms with it. I would admit though, because of the economic cushioning effect through Jobs Support Scheme and others, many Singaporeans have not felt the full detrimental economic effects of not opening up. Which is perhaps why, there is less of an urgency on some people's part, to vaccinate.
Singaporeans have been shielded from Covid - both the economic impact and the health impact - we did not have major casualties in terms of deaths and neither did that many families see a drastic change in their financial circumstances - and perhaps this is why not everyone feels the imperative of (imperfect) vaccinations as yet.[/quote]I like your “more time to think through it” & “come to terms”.
Agree, time & understanding we all play a part towards our economy & opening up. So, we might look at later external travel for opening up. Initially, was envious at Europe’s passport to travel so long as they’ve certificate of vaccination. Then again, the Delta plus sets me to think again in plus time! Yes, PRCs seems to hv their own nationalistic confidence in their covid mgt & not wearing masks may be their belief. Saw an elderly PRC walking ard the park w/o masks. Had to request he mask up as he was riding or jogging, just having his after dinner walk
We’re too comfortable in SG. Everything ah gong provided for when we manja & ‘threaten’. With paternalistic treatment, we don’t see the detrimental effects it has and will be impacting our economy & jobs. Some jobs will be lost to the internet age of online shopping, etc. Some jobs & skills once lost, hard to retain & ppl need lots of adjustments to re-trainjng. I’m not affected now, but that does not mean I’m blasé to the sufferings around. -
I already said the answer is actually a no-brainer.
But our US, UK and Aussie educated professors refuse to drop their chauvinism. So we are left with only the choice between letting our kids take the mRNA vaccine, or none at all. It is a false dichotomy, and A Prof Lye is one of those advocating it very vocally.
US gov approves their vaccine for 12-15 year olds, so must be safe. China gov approves their vaccine for 12-15 year olds, no, not safe. Because US gov will not take risks with their children, but China gov will, right?
Never mind that if the big pharmas were to mess about with the numbers now and something were to go wrong and endanger the children, the heads of the Chinese ones (and regulatory authority) will literally get a bullet, while the US ones won't.
If our gov is really interested in 'missing data', maybe our PM should pick up the phone and speak to his counterpart in China instead of leaving it to the functionaries. :roll:
In the meantime, just stop insinuating that it is somehow the fault of us parents. :mad: -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2028322\" time=\"1624865163\" user_id=\"28674:
It is good to hear that slmkhoo!
I don't have teens, but my nephew and 2 nieces are in sec school. My brother and sil are both doctors, and they signed up their kids immediately for vaccination when they were invited. Of course, long-term data is not available for these vaccines yet, but based on what they know about the science behind the vaccines, they tell me that they are sure that the risks of getting and spreading Covid are greater than the risks of adverse effects as far as they can tell, both now and in the future (of course, nothing is 100% certain in life).MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2028312\" time=\"1624862089\" user_id=\"43981:
For my kid I lean towards vacc. Just that hope to get more data first lor.
Yes, vaccination doesn't stop a kids catching or spreading the virus, but vaccinated people generally have no symptoms or very mild symptoms, which means that the viral load is low and they are less likely to spread the virus. Again, there is no 100% certainty. My nephew and nieces are in almost daily contact with 4 grandparents, and that is why my brother and sil decided on vaccination - the kids may still catch and spread Covid to the grandparents, but the risk of that is lower than if they were not vaccinated. The 4 grandparents are all vaccinated too, lowering the risk of their catching Covid, or getting very severe symptoms if they catch it. It's all about reducing risk of severe illness at the moment, not eliminating the risk of infection altogether. The only way to eliminate risk altogether with the science we have now is to put the grandparents in strict isolation until a perfect solution is found - my parents are in their 80s and the other pair are not much younger, and they are definitely not going to stay away from the grandchildren for another couple of years or more or forever, until a 100% elimination strategy is found.
Getting in a car or plane, or even crossing the road carries risk. I believe the risk of severe reactions to vaccines is unlikely to be higher. -
pirate\" post_id=\"2028326\" time=\"1624866219\" user_id=\"66252:
but pirate, correct me if i am wrong, while US, China etc have approved vaccines for teenagers - it seems like SIngapore is rolling it out most aggressively amongst this group?
I already said the answer is actually a no-brainer.
But our US, UK and Aussie educated professors refuse to drop their chauvinism. So we are left with only the choice between letting our kids take the mRNA vaccine, or none at all. It is a false dichotomy, and A Prof Lye is one of those advocating it very vocally.
US gov approves their vaccine for 12-15 year olds, so must be safe. China gov approves their vaccine for 12-15 year olds, no, not safe. Because US gov will not take risks with their children, but China gov will, right?
Never mind that if the big pharmas were to mess about with the numbers now and something were to go wrong and endanger the children, the heads of the Chinese ones (and regulatory authority) will literally get a bullet, while the US ones won't.
If our gov is really interested in 'missing data', maybe our PM should pick up the phone and speak to his counterpart in China instead of leaving it to the functionaries. :roll:
In the meantime, just stop insinuating that it is somehow the fault of us parents. :mad:
BTW does anyone know where this Comirnaty vaccine is being made in? Is it by Fosun Biontech similar to one that is available in HK?? -
The thalidomide tradgedy.
Experts said it was safe too…until few years later… -
Estéema\" post_id=\"2028318\" time=\"1624863398\" user_id=\"66413:
Doesn’t mean that the whole family is vaccinated, the loved ones will be spared from getting Covid. Quite a number of the vaccinated Bukit Merah View hawkers brought the virus home to infect their loved ones.
For us it was imperative entire family take vaccinations & we’re prepared to take regular jabs moving fwd as we hv our elderlies amongst us we want to spend time with. Only our youngest nephew & nieces under 14 not vaccinated for now.
The worst thing is, vaccinated folks likely no/mild symptoms while still infectious.
Maybe you can consider to get the rapid antigen test kits from Guardian Pharmacies and do a quick test for the weekly visitings and makan session. If you drop by your MIL place for a short while, then just don’t remove your mask. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2028330\" time=\"1624870234\" user_id=\"17023:
DH’s decision with his brothers as playing a part for family & ppl around us to minimise incidents. At least to avert catching the virus we vaccinate for & if we still catches it for whatever reasons if the strains or load is higher than what our body’s cells can fight then we’ve alr been well informed. We do not entertain anymore as we use to but within family, we’re quite chill.
Doesn’t mean that the whole family is vaccinated, the loved ones will be spared from getting Covid. Quite a number of the vaccinated Bukit Merah View hawkers brought the virus home to infect their loved ones.Estéema\" post_id=\"2028318\" time=\"1624863398\" user_id=\"66413:
For us it was imperative entire family take vaccinations & we’re prepared to take regular jabs moving fwd as we hv our elderlies amongst us we want to spend time with. Only our youngest nephew & nieces under 14 not vaccinated for now.
The worst thing is, vaccinated folks likely no/mild symptoms while still infectious.
Maybe you can consider to get the rapid antigen test kits from Guardian Pharmacies and do a quick test for the weekly visitings and makan session. If you drop by your MIL place for a short while, then just don’t remove your mask.
We’re now back to doing grocery for MIL, to help her minimize going out. But it’s a blessing to be able to gather with my single BIL now that rules are abit more relaxed. Not going out for meals despite relaxed rules, but home meals. Now waiting for 6pm Black Thorn MSW for a little family pleasures without masks on. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2028330\" time=\"1624870234\" user_id=\"17023:
Our family's take is that if all are vaccinated, the risk of transmission is low (we recognise that it's not 0), and probably no-one will get too sick if worse comes to worst and the virus is brought home by one of the grandkids (or adults). The grandparents would rather have unmasked daily access to the grandchildren and run the risk of getting sick than avoid or limit contact. Their reckoning is that they only have a few years left, and the kids grow up fast, so the risk is worth it. So we try to limit the risks.
Doesn’t mean that the whole family is vaccinated, the loved ones will be spared from getting Covid. Quite a number of the vaccinated Bukit Merah View hawkers brought the virus home to infect their loved ones.Estéema\" post_id=\"2028318\" time=\"1624863398\" user_id=\"66413:
For us it was imperative entire family take vaccinations & we’re prepared to take regular jabs moving fwd as we hv our elderlies amongst us we want to spend time with. Only our youngest nephew & nieces under 14 not vaccinated for now.
The worst thing is, vaccinated folks likely no/mild symptoms while still infectious.
Maybe you can consider to get the rapid antigen test kits from Guardian Pharmacies and do a quick test for the weekly visitings and makan session. If you drop by your MIL place for a short while, then just don’t remove your mask.
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