Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2028322\" time=\"1624865163\" user_id=\"28674:
It is good to hear that slmkhoo!
I don't have teens, but my nephew and 2 nieces are in sec school. My brother and sil are both doctors, and they signed up their kids immediately for vaccination when they were invited. Of course, long-term data is not available for these vaccines yet, but based on what they know about the science behind the vaccines, they tell me that they are sure that the risks of getting and spreading Covid are greater than the risks of adverse effects as far as they can tell, both now and in the future (of course, nothing is 100% certain in life).MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2028312\" time=\"1624862089\" user_id=\"43981:
For my kid I lean towards vacc. Just that hope to get more data first lor.
Yes, vaccination doesn't stop a kids catching or spreading the virus, but vaccinated people generally have no symptoms or very mild symptoms, which means that the viral load is low and they are less likely to spread the virus. Again, there is no 100% certainty. My nephew and nieces are in almost daily contact with 4 grandparents, and that is why my brother and sil decided on vaccination - the kids may still catch and spread Covid to the grandparents, but the risk of that is lower than if they were not vaccinated. The 4 grandparents are all vaccinated too, lowering the risk of their catching Covid, or getting very severe symptoms if they catch it. It's all about reducing risk of severe illness at the moment, not eliminating the risk of infection altogether. The only way to eliminate risk altogether with the science we have now is to put the grandparents in strict isolation until a perfect solution is found - my parents are in their 80s and the other pair are not much younger, and they are definitely not going to stay away from the grandchildren for another couple of years or more or forever, until a 100% elimination strategy is found.
Getting in a car or plane, or even crossing the road carries risk. I believe the risk of severe reactions to vaccines is unlikely to be higher. -
pirate\" post_id=\"2028326\" time=\"1624866219\" user_id=\"66252:
but pirate, correct me if i am wrong, while US, China etc have approved vaccines for teenagers - it seems like SIngapore is rolling it out most aggressively amongst this group?
I already said the answer is actually a no-brainer.
But our US, UK and Aussie educated professors refuse to drop their chauvinism. So we are left with only the choice between letting our kids take the mRNA vaccine, or none at all. It is a false dichotomy, and A Prof Lye is one of those advocating it very vocally.
US gov approves their vaccine for 12-15 year olds, so must be safe. China gov approves their vaccine for 12-15 year olds, no, not safe. Because US gov will not take risks with their children, but China gov will, right?
Never mind that if the big pharmas were to mess about with the numbers now and something were to go wrong and endanger the children, the heads of the Chinese ones (and regulatory authority) will literally get a bullet, while the US ones won't.
If our gov is really interested in 'missing data', maybe our PM should pick up the phone and speak to his counterpart in China instead of leaving it to the functionaries. :roll:
In the meantime, just stop insinuating that it is somehow the fault of us parents. :mad:
BTW does anyone know where this Comirnaty vaccine is being made in? Is it by Fosun Biontech similar to one that is available in HK?? -
The thalidomide tradgedy.
Experts said it was safe too…until few years later… -
Estéema\" post_id=\"2028318\" time=\"1624863398\" user_id=\"66413:
Doesn’t mean that the whole family is vaccinated, the loved ones will be spared from getting Covid. Quite a number of the vaccinated Bukit Merah View hawkers brought the virus home to infect their loved ones.
For us it was imperative entire family take vaccinations & we’re prepared to take regular jabs moving fwd as we hv our elderlies amongst us we want to spend time with. Only our youngest nephew & nieces under 14 not vaccinated for now.
The worst thing is, vaccinated folks likely no/mild symptoms while still infectious.
Maybe you can consider to get the rapid antigen test kits from Guardian Pharmacies and do a quick test for the weekly visitings and makan session. If you drop by your MIL place for a short while, then just don’t remove your mask. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2028330\" time=\"1624870234\" user_id=\"17023:
DH’s decision with his brothers as playing a part for family & ppl around us to minimise incidents. At least to avert catching the virus we vaccinate for & if we still catches it for whatever reasons if the strains or load is higher than what our body’s cells can fight then we’ve alr been well informed. We do not entertain anymore as we use to but within family, we’re quite chill.
Doesn’t mean that the whole family is vaccinated, the loved ones will be spared from getting Covid. Quite a number of the vaccinated Bukit Merah View hawkers brought the virus home to infect their loved ones.Estéema\" post_id=\"2028318\" time=\"1624863398\" user_id=\"66413:
For us it was imperative entire family take vaccinations & we’re prepared to take regular jabs moving fwd as we hv our elderlies amongst us we want to spend time with. Only our youngest nephew & nieces under 14 not vaccinated for now.
The worst thing is, vaccinated folks likely no/mild symptoms while still infectious.
Maybe you can consider to get the rapid antigen test kits from Guardian Pharmacies and do a quick test for the weekly visitings and makan session. If you drop by your MIL place for a short while, then just don’t remove your mask.
We’re now back to doing grocery for MIL, to help her minimize going out. But it’s a blessing to be able to gather with my single BIL now that rules are abit more relaxed. Not going out for meals despite relaxed rules, but home meals. Now waiting for 6pm Black Thorn MSW for a little family pleasures without masks on. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2028330\" time=\"1624870234\" user_id=\"17023:
Our family's take is that if all are vaccinated, the risk of transmission is low (we recognise that it's not 0), and probably no-one will get too sick if worse comes to worst and the virus is brought home by one of the grandkids (or adults). The grandparents would rather have unmasked daily access to the grandchildren and run the risk of getting sick than avoid or limit contact. Their reckoning is that they only have a few years left, and the kids grow up fast, so the risk is worth it. So we try to limit the risks.
Doesn’t mean that the whole family is vaccinated, the loved ones will be spared from getting Covid. Quite a number of the vaccinated Bukit Merah View hawkers brought the virus home to infect their loved ones.Estéema\" post_id=\"2028318\" time=\"1624863398\" user_id=\"66413:
For us it was imperative entire family take vaccinations & we’re prepared to take regular jabs moving fwd as we hv our elderlies amongst us we want to spend time with. Only our youngest nephew & nieces under 14 not vaccinated for now.
The worst thing is, vaccinated folks likely no/mild symptoms while still infectious.
Maybe you can consider to get the rapid antigen test kits from Guardian Pharmacies and do a quick test for the weekly visitings and makan session. If you drop by your MIL place for a short while, then just don’t remove your mask. -
pirate\" post_id=\"2028295\" time=\"1624858655\" user_id=\"66252:
Total vaccinated will be way more than total infected. So the negative risks need to factor that in and not as isolated generally probability. Plus, being infected already has very extremely low mortality, the jab may not significantly better option for that young group. Furthermore, vaccinated WILL still get infected and spread to seniors. And why seniors are being used as argument for protection when they in the first place are suppose to get vaccinated way more and way earlier than young one. Their lives has already on sunset path, while the youngster just starting. Who has higher priority to be protected? Let's hope no mortality like that USA kid ever happen in Singapore.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/covid-did-israel-screw-up-not-vaccinating-children-ages-12-15-right-away-672203
In the meantime, this is what is going on in Israel.
So it seems it has boiled down to 1 in 3000 chances of getting serious Covid [I]if[/I] a youngster is infected, versus 1 in 6000 of getting heart inflammation from the mrna vaccine. Probably 1 in 3000 if a boy! And 5% chance of the heart inflammation being serious if you get it.
Maybe Assoc Prof David Lye of NCID and Assoc Prof Raymond Lin of NCID should go and duke it out with each other.
Seems to me the answer is actually a no-brainer. -
pirate\" post_id=\"2028295\" time=\"1624858655\" user_id=\"66252:
Shouldn't you look at the age band of subjects in both studies? :scratchhead:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/covid-did-israel-screw-up-not-vaccinating-children-ages-12-15-right-away-672203
So it seems it has boiled down to 1 in 3000 chances of getting serious Covid [I]if[/I] a youngster is infected, versus 1 in 6000 of getting heart inflammation from the mrna vaccine. Probably 1 in 3000 if a boy! And 5% chance of the heart inflammation being serious if you get it.
Maybe Assoc Prof David Lye of NCID and Assoc Prof Raymond Lin of NCID should go and duke it out with each other.
Seems to me the answer is actually a no-brainer.
The actual para in The Jerusalem Post is as follows:
\"IPS HEAD Prof. Tzachi Grossman, along with the organization’s colleagues, wrote that the risk for a child to develop a severe form of COVID if infected – which stands at 1 in 3,000 – outweighs that of developing a myocarditis – which according to US data for ages 12-17 is more than five times less likely at 1 in 16,000 (according to Israeli data for the age group 16-19, the occurrence was half as likely at 1 in 6,000).\"
It simply means in the US, it's 1 in 3,000 vs 1 in 16,000 for American adolescents aged 12-17, Hence, 5 times less likely. Hence, that Prof thinks benefit outweighs risk.
As for Israel, the age band studied was only from ages 16-19, not 12-17 like in the US, yah? The risk for Israeli adolescents aged 16-17 is 1 in 6,000.
It is half instead of 5X in Israel as the latter only studied the older approved age group. Israel is a homogenous nation, unlike the US.
NB: 16yo was all along the cut-off age EUA'd by the WHO and most countries that bought/received this brand from COVAX.
Btw, if TL:DR, the journalist is pro-vaccination for adolescents, but you mischievously tried to mislead parents by distorting his article to advance your agenda. This is despite that you yourself have already opted out of vaccination and despite that this doesn't affect parents with no sons.
You deliberately used a gender-neutral term -- ''youngsters'' a couple of times to alarm readers, when you know very well that the occurrence is very negligible for young female adolescents in the US.
Btw, this being the case, shouldn't all the young Mulans in Singapore volunteer to contribute to the HIT? :slapshead: -
.zeit\" post_id=\"2028402\" time=\"1624935850\" user_id=\"171271:
Shouldn't you look at the age band of subjects in both studies? :scratchhead:pirate\" post_id=\"2028295\" time=\"1624858655\" user_id=\"66252:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/covid-did-israel-screw-up-not-vaccinating-children-ages-12-15-right-away-672203
So it seems it has boiled down to 1 in 3000 chances of getting serious Covid [I]if[/I] a youngster is infected, versus 1 in 6000 of getting heart inflammation from the mrna vaccine. Probably 1 in 3000 if a boy! And 5% chance of the heart inflammation being serious if you get it.
Maybe Assoc Prof David Lye of NCID and Assoc Prof Raymond Lin of NCID should go and duke it out with each other.
Seems to me the answer is actually a no-brainer.
The actual para in The Jerusalem Post is as follows:
\"IPS HEAD Prof. Tzachi Grossman, along with the organization’s colleagues, wrote that the risk for a child to develop a severe form of COVID if infected – which stands at 1 in 3,000 – outweighs that of developing a myocarditis – which according to US data for ages 12-17 is more than five times less likely at 1 in 16,000 (according to Israeli data for the age group 16-19, the occurrence was half as likely at 1 in 6,000).\"
It simply means in the US, it's 1 in 3,000 vs 1 in 16,000 for American adolescents aged 12-17, Hence, 5 times less likely. Hence, that Prof thinks benefit outweighs risk.
As for Israel, the age band studied was only from ages 16-19, not 12-17 like in the US, yah? The risk for Israeli adolescents aged 16-17 is 1 in 6,000.
It is half instead of 5X in Israel as the latter only studied the older approved age group. Israel is a homogenous nation, unlike the US.
NB: 16yo was all along the cut-off age EUA'd by the WHO and most countries that bought/received this brand from COVAX.
Btw, if TL:DR, the journalist is pro-vaccination for adolescents, but you mischievously tried to mislead parents by distorting his article to advance your agenda. This is despite that you yourself have already opted out of vaccination and despite that this doesn't affect parents with no sons.
You deliberately used a gender-neutral term -- ''youngsters'' a couple of times to alarm readers, when you know very well that the occurrence is very negligible for young female adolescents in the US.
Btw, this being the case, shouldn't all the young Mulans in Singapore volunteer to contribute to the HIT? :slapshead:
:goodpost:
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doodbug\" post_id=\"2028328\" time=\"1624868011\" user_id=\"13281:
Per MOH's press release, it is the same BNT162b2 made in EU. Could be from Puurs, Mainz or Marburg plant(s).
BTW does anyone know where this Comirnaty vaccine is being made in? Is it by Fosun Biontech similar to one that is available in HK??
But NOT China. China will only start manufacturing BNT162b2 (now known as Comirnaty or 复必泰) in AUGUST for Greater China (Mainland, HK, Macao and Taiwan), if everything goes on smoothly. Shanghai Fosun owns the distribution rights of Comirnaty in Greater China only.
https://postimg.cc/xXkwy49K
https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=95466&p=2025964&hilit=comirnaty#p2025964
https://www.fiercepharma.com/marketing/pfizer-biontech-select-comirnaty-as-brand-name-for-covid-19-vaccine
https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-supply-european-union-100-million-0
BioNTech has other vaccines/therapeutics to sell in future, so they can't let the world keep using their company name to refer to one single famous product - BNT162b2 (research name). Same as Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Janssen, Sanofi, GSK, Sinovac, SinoPharm which market other drugs.
However, I don't know why MOH must say, we will be receiving ''a batch''. Why only ''a batch''? How about subsequent batches?
The one that HK is using now is also BNT162b2 Comirnaty, but it's marketed/distributed by Fosun. TBH, I did however wonder for a moment if MOH had done a ''barter trade'' with HK/mainland to borrow their ready stocks first to tide over our shortage. But knowing SG, which is so kiasi, kiasu and ngeow about QC, I reckon they won't take expiring stocks from others, right? Read someone's post below: :evil:
https://postimg.cc/Mf7H9mVD
HK has 2 million Comirnaty sitting in their warehouse, according to Carrie Lam last month. Shanghai has even more stocks which they're trying to offload onto Taiwan, via Foxconn, TSMC, Tzu Chi Foundation & Sun Yat-sen School in Taipei.
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