Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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pirate\" post_id=\"2030150\" time=\"1625999568\" user_id=\"66252:
If the Indonesian government is happy with Sinovac, why are they going to inject their medical workers who already had 2 Sinovac jabs with Moderna as their 3rd jab as soon as Moderna arrives in Indonesia in these few days? It doesn’t make sense to me.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/indonesia-covid-19-spike-idul-fitri-delta-quarantine-tracing-15138518
All those who like to spread the disinformation that Sinovac is not effective against Delta should read this, especially the graph. This is the reason why the Indonesian government is more than happy with Sinovac.
If Sinovac is not sufficiently effective against Delta, most of their medical personnel will be dead or down by now with serious Covid.
But, nevermind. Keep up the disinformation and discrimination. It just means our seniors will get vaccinated slower.
Further down the line, we will open up to Europe and the US, but not China, Hong Kong, Malaysia and Indonesia? Like that makes sense. Maybe we can move our little island to the Mediterranean while we are at it. :roll:
I get it. Some people, including our expert committee, require data to be served to them on a silver platter. In government speak, it's called covering one's backside. -
That's like asking why our government is already talking about a third jab come February.
If you can potentially boost protection for your medical workers amidst a raging pandemic from 95% to 99%, will you not? The operative word here is \"potentially\" because there is as yet no real world data to show it actually makes a difference whether the booster is an mRNA vaccine.
A 3rd booster shot to Pfizer or Moderna is to increase effectiveness against variants. A 3rd booster shot to Sinovac is because it is not good enough.
People fully inoculated with mRNA vaccines still get infected because of breakthroughs. People fully inoculated with Sinovac still get infected because it is not good enough.
The double standard in this kind of reporting is palpable, and absolutely unscientific.
Speaking of double standards, read this.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/hundreds-of-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations
Maybe we can also have a headline: Singapore medical workers in several hospitals infected despite full doses of mRNA vaccines even though local infections remain low.
Or how about: almost 90% of those infected in Singapore care home were fully inoculated with mRNA vaccines?
If you are not alert to this kind of doublespeak, you make yourself vulnerable to propaganda. Singapore does not need to be a tool. The virus does not read. -
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2030175\" time=\"1626015740\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2030175 time=1626015740 user_id=53606]
Just based on my social circle:Estéema\" post_id=\"2030173\" time=\"1626014259\" user_id=\"66413:
So, there is a difference which male/female shld take? Didn’t know that. I do rmbr DH had a 2-day ordeal. I don’t seem to rmbr if it was any difficult at all for myself, just that I think I had a small headache, numbness of arm & slight dizziness for a few hours but slept well & bounce back by 2nd day for both jabs.[/quote][quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2030169 time=1626012094 user_id=53606]Seems like if want to minimize side effects, females should take Pfizer & males should take Moderna
- very few people age >45 experienced side effects for P and M
- for age <45, at least 10 of my female friends who took M experienced my type of “not able to go to work” type of side effects, 1st dose bad & 2nd dose even worse. Those who took P: minimal side effects. The males who took M: also minimal side effects.
- for age <30, I believe the incidence (worldwide and SG) of males who took P and had heart trouble is quite worrying. Especially for active teens, if don’t want to refrain from exercising for 1 whole week, maybe can wait for M (or other brand) to be approved for <18.[/quote]Based my circle: those over 70 don't seem to have suffered many side effects.
Of those in their 50s and 60s, most only had sore arm and a day or 2 of slight fever, and some had fatigue for a day or 2. My husband and I, and a colleague, had the M vaccine (the others took P), and my husband had sore arm and fever, the colleague (male) had sore arm, and I had sore arm and a bit of fatigue (about 2 days).
My daughter and another colleague (20-30s) took M first dose, and had sore arm and some fatigue. They haven't had their 2nd dose yet.
Nothing major compared to the ravages that Covid can have on the unvaccinated. -
pirate\" post_id=\"2030188\" time=\"1626044331\" user_id=\"66252:
How about
That's like asking why our government is already talking about a third jab come February.
If you can potentially boost protection for your medical workers amidst a raging pandemic from 95% to 99%, will you not? The operative word here is \"potentially\" because there is as yet no real world data to show it actually makes a difference whether the booster is an mRNA vaccine.
A 3rd booster shot to Pfizer or Moderna is to increase effectiveness against variants. A 3rd booster shot to Sinovac is because it is not good enough.
People fully inoculated with mRNA vaccines still get infected because of breakthroughs. People fully inoculated with Sinovac still get infected because it is not good enough.
The double standard in this kind of reporting is palpable, and absolutely unscientific.
Speaking of double standards, read this.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/hundreds-of-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations
Maybe we can also have a headline: Singapore medical workers in several hospitals infected despite full doses of mRNA vaccines even though local infections remain low.
Or how about: almost 90% of those infected in Singapore care home were fully inoculated with mRNA vaccines?
If you are not alert to this kind of doublespeak, you make yourself vulnerable to propaganda.
the other way round ?
For the almost 90% infected in Singapore care home who were fully inoculated with mRNA vaccines,
can they take Novavax (non-mRNA), once become available next year 2022, if they wish to ?
Can a human body condition internally inside, \" medical condition wise \",
be able to accept the presence of
both (mRNA + non-mRNA) vaccine ?
Will there be conflict (If any), inside our human body ? -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2030193\" time=\"1626049033\" user_id=\"28674:
zac's mum\" post_id=\"2030175\" time=\"1626015740\" user_id=\"53606:[quote=\"zac's mum\" post_id=2030175 time=1626015740 user_id=53606]
Based my circle: those over 70 don't seem to have suffered many side effects.
Of those in their 50s and 60s, most only had sore arm and a day or 2 of slight fever, and some had fatigue for a day or 2. My husband and I, and a colleague, had the M vaccine (the others took P), and my husband had sore arm and fever, the colleague (male) had sore arm, and I had sore arm and a bit of fatigue (about 2 days).
My daughter and another colleague (20-30s) took M first dose, and had sore arm and some fatigue. They haven't had their 2nd dose yet.
Nothing major compared to the ravages that Covid can have on the unvaccinated.Perhaps I am just not used to being “knocked out” from living as per my daily life. Such things have never happened to me even during illness or other vaccinations before. I probably sound like some whiny kid. Anyway, all back to normal today. I spent the whole night drinking lots of water and peeing to flush out whatever my body needed to get rid of. Glad I’m done with both doses. -
Reading the news , I simply cant understand why some seniors refused to take the jab, knowing they belong the vulnerable group.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/im-old-and-dying-so-whats-the-point-of-getting-vaccinated -
phtthp\" post_id=\"2030195\" time=\"1626049197\" user_id=\"35251:
Study done in the UK:
Can a human body condition internally inside, \" medical condition wise \",
be able to accept the presence of
both (mRNA + non-mRNA) vaccine ?
Will there be conflict (If any), inside our human body ?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57636356
https://theconversation.com/covid-vaccines-combining-astrazeneca-and-pfizer-may-boost-immunity-new-study-163667 -
starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2030202\" time=\"1626052315\" user_id=\"14025:
I think there is fear because it's new and unfamiliar - many elderly instinctively shy away from anything new. Also a lack of understanding of how the risks will increase once the rest of the vaccinated population starts moving about more normally - they think that the low case rates of the past year will continue indefinitely, and the risk of catching Covid is low.
Reading the news , I simply cant understand why some seniors refused to take the jab, knowing they belong the vulnerable group.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/im-old-and-dying-so-whats-the-point-of-getting-vaccinated
I feel the authorities need to paint a clearer picture of how things are going to change as restrictions ease, and how the risks will increase for the unvaccinated elderly. Give projected nos. of cases, and projected nos. of how many serious illnesses there will be among the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated. They could also give an idea of what the treatment and prognosis for cases with serious illness look like - what they endure, how long they may need to stay in ICU, etc. I can understand that they didn't want to say all this before there were enough vaccines to go round, but now that there is a way to reduce the risk of serious illness, I think they can afford to be frank with the bad news!
Some of the elderly also feel that it's ok if they get sick and die as they are old, but they may not realise that with modern technology, it's not so easy to die. They may spend weeks or months in ICU first with tubes, needles, and in isolation from family. -
I think children, if any, should play an active role in encouraging their aged parents to get the jab. Nobody knows for sure if this vaccine/jab is doing more good than bad but based on the current situation, the vaccination is inevitable if we want to return to near normal as before.
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starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2030215\" time=\"1626054064\" user_id=\"14025:
Yes, no-one can see decades in the future. We make the best decision we can based on what we can foresee in the near future. Given what we know, it seems safe enough. My relatives who are doctors, and a friend who does research in that area, all encourage vaccination for their family, parents, children, etc.
I think children, if any, should play an active role in encouraging their aged parents to get the jab. Nobody knows for sure if this vaccine/jab is doing more good than bad but based on the current situation, the vaccination is inevitable if we want to return to near normal as before.
Actually, the elderly, of all people, shouldn't care about long-term effects for themselves, for rather obvious reasons.
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