Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2033582\" time=\"1628361449\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2033582 time=1628361449 user_id=58173]
Strangely I kept seeing contradictory reports. The number of deaths this week is rather alarming.[/quote]You have to look at the underlying causes, not just at the numbers alone. The recent death rate is the result of the spread of cases recently in markets where more elderly contracted the disease. Unfortunately, the elderly unvaccinated with underlying diseases are the ones most likely to die of Covid. If the spike had been in the dormitories (mainly younger, healthier, vaccinated men) or in some other venue with younger, healthier, vaccinated people, the mortality rate would not be so high. Nothing can be done about age, and (in the short term) about underlying health conditions, but vaccination is more easily achievable.pirate\" post_id=\"2033580\" time=\"1628360198\" user_id=\"66252:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/experts-time-for-singapore-to-firm-up-covid-19-exit-strategy[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2033565 time=1628355324 user_id=58173]
It is not flu.
Tell that to these professors who say flu used to kill more than 500 people a year in Singapore.[/quote] -
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2033566\" time=\"1628355426\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2033566 time=1628355426 user_id=58173]
Look at it from the other viewpoint of needing to protect the unvaccinated from infection, and needing to protect others from the higher risk of infections from unvaccinated infected people. If the unvaccinated and those in contact with them are to be given more protection from infection, either the rest of the population must be restricted, or the unvaccinated have to be restricted. But the vaccinated population do not need to be as restricted for their own safety. So should there be empathy for those who are losing business, income, suffering mental health issues, etc?
I feel that it’s discrimination to socially separate the vaccinated from the unvaccinated.. causing social distress. Could we have approached this differently? With more empathy?[/quote]
It's like the rules about under-16s riding e-scooters. The rule could have been framed to prohibit anyone from riding e-scooters because younger people are less safe (for themselves as well as for others) on e-scooters. Instead, Singapore has a rule that prevent under-16s from riding e-scooters. That is discriminatory in the same way as the rules for the unvaccinated. -
Dreamaurora\" post_id=\"2033562\" time=\"1628348565\" user_id=\"38907:
The problem with case counts is that it very much depends on how much testing is done, and whether asymptomatic cases are detected or counted. Even if we travel at the end of the year, I would probably try to avoid the biggest cities and most crowded places, just in case!
As long the number of infections are reasonable and similar to typical flu (like 100-200 a day) I think it should be relatively safe to visit a country. I think because the number of infections are relatively low in Singapore and most of us are most likely not to know personally someone who has contracted Covid and recovered, it is easy to be paranoid. So far reports from US and UK seem to confirm that though the vaccines do not prevent infection completely, they do work in mitigating the symptoms significantly, so I have faith that even if I contracted Covid, it would be inconsequential.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2033520\" time=\"1628315956\" user_id=\"17023:
I find it kind of contradiction. OYK said be mentally prepared that daily cases and death rates WILL go up. So even if SHN free, would anyone want to risk his life to visit SG whose cases are inching up on a daily basis? Not likely right?
It’s like now, even if I were to offer you a free air-ticket to India/China for holidays, SHN free, would you want?
Another question, as we see more cases, will MORE folks here be put on QO?? Will Singaporeans be angry if we need to serve 14 day QO or LOA but tourists come in with no need 14 days SHN?
Singapore, in a way, shoots itself in the foot by testing so extensively and counting asymptomatic cases. I think they need to split the asympotomatic cases from the headline no. Then our case count will not be as high and less frightening to others (and ourselves). -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2033597\" time=\"1628385499\" user_id=\"28674:
You have to look at the underlying causes, not just at the numbers alone. The recent death rate is the result of the spread of cases recently in markets where more elderly contracted the disease. Unfortunately, the elderly unvaccinated with underlying diseases are the ones most likely to die of Covid. If the spike had been in the dormitories (mainly younger, healthier, vaccinated men) or in some other venue with younger, healthier, vaccinated people, the mortality rate would not be so high. Nothing can be done about age, and (in the short term) about underlying health conditions, but vaccination is more easily achievable.[/quote]The ordinary person on the street is going to look at the numbers only! Mostly seeing high death rates and increasing infected cases and then thinking why the **** are we returning to dine in. It does makes one feel that the economy and money making is all our policy-makers are concerned about.
Strangely I kept seeing contradictory reports. The number of deaths this week is rather alarming.Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2033582\" time=\"1628361449\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2033582 time=1628361449 user_id=58173]
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/experts-time-for-singapore-to-firm-up-covid-19-exit-strategy
Tell that to these professors who say flu used to kill more than 500 people a year in Singapore.
And justified discrimination is still discrimination! -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2033601\" time=\"1628386515\" user_id=\"28674:
The problem with case counts is that it very much depends on how much testing is done, and whether asymptomatic cases are detected or counted. Even if we travel at the end of the year, I would probably try to avoid the biggest cities and most crowded places, just in case!
As long the number of infections are reasonable and similar to typical flu (like 100-200 a day) I think it should be relatively safe to visit a country. I think because the number of infections are relatively low in Singapore and most of us are most likely not to know personally someone who has contracted Covid and recovered, it is easy to be paranoid. So far reports from US and UK seem to confirm that though the vaccines do not prevent infection completely, they do work in mitigating the symptoms significantly, so I have faith that even if I contracted Covid, it would be inconsequential.Dreamaurora\" post_id=\"2033562\" time=\"1628348565\" user_id=\"38907:
[quote=lee_yl post_id=2033520 time=1628315956 user_id=17023]I find it kind of contradiction. OYK said be mentally prepared that daily cases and death rates WILL go up. So even if SHN free, would anyone want to risk his life to visit SG whose cases are inching up on a daily basis? Not likely right?
It’s like now, even if I were to offer you a free air-ticket to India/China for holidays, SHN free, would you want?
Another question, as we see more cases, will MORE folks here be put on QO?? Will Singaporeans be angry if we need to serve 14 day QO or LOA but tourists come in with no need 14 days SHN?
Singapore, in a way, shoots itself in the foot by testing so extensively and counting asymptomatic cases. I think they need to split the asympotomatic cases from the headline no. Then our case count will not be as high and less frightening to others (and ourselves).[/quote]Agree! -
Singapore is just too kiasi and protective over the unvaccinated. We're so diff from the Europeans. The city centres seem quite ok these 2 weeks. I see residents optionally donning their masks.
Would imagine smaller coastal towns like Amalfi, islands like Santorini and medieval towns like Colmar to be less crowded on weekdays.
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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO3xV67aD70]
[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWGhfzRG-rI] -
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2033566\" time=\"1628355426\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2033566 time=1628355426 user_id=58173]
Agree. If the unvax high risk group is just the elderly then why can't we implement the \"discriminatory\" policy to this specific group only. And anyway they prob stay home most of the time so may not be impacted much.
I feel that it’s discrimination to socially separate the vaccinated from the unvaccinated.. causing social distress. Could we have approached this differently? With more empathy?[/quote] -
the unvaccinated would say that this is discrimination and unfair to them as vaccination is voluntary
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Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2033610\" time=\"1628391069\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2033610 time=1628391069 user_id=58173]
The ordinary person on the street is going to look at the numbers only! Mostly seeing high death rates and increasing infected cases and then thinking why the **** are we returning to dine in. It does makes one feel that the economy and money making is all our policy-makers are concerned about.slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2033597\" time=\"1628385499\" user_id=\"28674:
You have to look at the underlying causes, not just at the numbers alone. The recent death rate is the result of the spread of cases recently in markets where more elderly contracted the disease. Unfortunately, the elderly unvaccinated with underlying diseases are the ones most likely to die of Covid. If the spike had been in the dormitories (mainly younger, healthier, vaccinated men) or in some other venue with younger, healthier, vaccinated people, the mortality rate would not be so high. Nothing can be done about age, and (in the short term) about underlying health conditions, but vaccination is more easily achievable.[/quote][quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2033582 time=1628361449 user_id=58173]
Strangely I kept seeing contradictory reports. The number of deaths this week is rather alarming.
And justified discrimination is still discrimination![/quote]I think it is easy to take the high road if you are not personally impacted by Covid. I am in arts and education industry and I lost quite a fair bit of income these couple of years. I am one of the luckier ones, a few of my fellow colleagues have to turn to other professions like delivery rider to tide them over. There are others from FnB, tutors, tourism, fresh graduates who can't get jobs, people who are retrenched, etc who are equally impacted. If you are asking me to be magnanimous and support prolonged restrictive Covid policies to the detriment of my career, sorry hor, I am not noble enough. -
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2033566\" time=\"1628355426\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2033566 time=1628355426 user_id=58173]
It is called ''Differentiation'' to protect those of you who are waiting for other vaccines or not intending to vaccinate. In any case, you can still eat in pairs at the hawker centres.
I feel that it’s discrimination to socially separate the vaccinated from the unvaccinated.. causing social distress. Could we have approached this differently? With more empathy?[/quote]
The aggrieved unvaccinated should understand that there could be unvaccinated foreigners who are coming in via ATP (NO need SHN at all) to dine around you.![](\"https://i.imgur.com/3204efE.png\")
https://i.imgur.com/3204efE.png\">
https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/atp/requirements-and-process
There are also Group 2 folks from HK, Macao, Jiangsu who only need to serve 7 days SHN. Some of them took CoronaVac/SinoPharm or 4 other China EUA vaccines.
And Group 4 which consists mainly of fully vaccinated Europeans who can serve their SHN at place of residence from 20 Aug: Australia; Austria; Canada; Germany; Italy; Norway; Republic of Korea (ROK); Switzerland
These expats/short-term visitors will be out after 14 days SHN with you at the restaurants, if you don't want the MTF to 'discriminate' you from dining-in (in groups of five) at F&B outlets. You not scared? :evil:
https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/wphl/shn-and-swab-summary
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