Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates

[lee_yl]

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039214\" time=\"1632437835\" user_id=\"14025:

What measures can the govt implement to stop the current deadly wave?

For elderly, can impose temporary ban on dining in for those above 60yo regardless of vaccination status.

Restrict dining in to 1pax only. This will limit the time when mask is off.

27th Sep HBL will start for P1 to P5, so not too bad.

Dormitories that side, the authorities have to further tighten lor.

Finally… Complete lockdown HA/CB for at least 3 weeks to bring the numbers down, but of cos, we try to avoid that, if not, forever we will be stuck in this cycle.

[MrsKiasu]

Just thinking…for this kind of ‘infectious diseases’, private hospitals won’t accept admission right coz you need dedicated space etc?

[Dreamaurora]

lee_yl\" post_id=\"2039215\" time=\"1632439274\" user_id=\"17023:

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039214\" time=\"1632437835\" user_id=\"14025:

What measures can the govt implement to stop the current deadly wave?

For elderly, can impose temporary ban on dining in for those above 60yo regardless of vaccination status.

Restrict dining in to 1pax only. This will limit the time when mask is off.

27th Sep HBL will start for P1 to P5, so not too bad.

Dormitories that side, the authorities have to further tighten lor.

Finally… Complete lockdown HA/CB for at least 3 weeks to bring the numbers down, but of cos, we try to avoid that, if not, forever we will be stuck in this cycle.

The economic and social impact of lockdowns/CBs are too great at this point. Last year already the suicide rate among elderlies are at record high. I wager the lockdowns indirectly killed more elderlies than the COVID itself. I think pretty sure you will need more than 3 weeks to bring down the number, and then when the number spikes again when economy and travel open up must keep repeating the cycle to keep the number in check. If government does that, I am pretty sure they are going to lose a sizable amount of votes in the next election. Easy to ask lockdown when you are sure your job is not affected but for me any lockdown means loss of income. I got no money from government from the last 2HA so I sure as hell do not want any more lockdown.

I guess everybody's getting the jitter because it's the first time the case numbers have shot up dramatically. Those in Western countries have experienced the worst so they are actually glad life has somewhat return the normal despite their cases still in 5 or 6 digits a day.

[lee_yl]

SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2039207\" time=\"1632415804\" user_id=\"188234:

Not as large of scale as Expo or Tanjong Pagar Terminal but repurpose some facilities to provide more care to those who need it.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-moh-first-community-treatment-facility-elderly-patients-tampines-2196826

Tampines’ facility is a small scale community care facility mainly for the elderly patients.

Yesterday community cases 1500+ (including 276 dorm workers), daily numbers are rising, so I wonder when do we start building large scale community facilities? When dorm cases hit 1000 a day?

Too many patients with mild Covid symptoms are occupying hospital beds which cause hospitals to feel the strain, so to avoid overloading the hospitals unnecessarily, need to change medical protocols to move all of them to community care facilities, like what we did for the foreign workers last year.

Our healthcare system is strong but if not managed properly, we will soon be overwhelmed not because there are insufficient ICU beds but because the normal wards have been frivolously used up

[MrsKiasu]

If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?

[MrsKiasu]

Home recovery started from 15/18Sept…if most are mild then we should expect minimal admission from most age groups except the top and bottom age groups?

[sharonkhoo]

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039214\" time=\"1632437835\" user_id=\"14025:

What measures can the govt implement to stop the current deadly wave?

\"deadly wave\" is an overstatement, I feel. It has been widely known (although only recently stated clearly) that an upsurge of cases is expected in the process of the virus becoming endemic. Although it is true that some get seriously ill and some die, without vaccination, the no. would be far higher without vaccination. 98% of cases are not considered serious, so it really isn't a very deadly wave. Even if we are willing to live under CB conditions forever, sooner or later people will die - if not from Covid, it will be something else. And for those who lose their businesses and livelihoods, suffer mental health issues, etc, there will be deaths and suffering for other reasons too, which should be balanced against deaths from Covid.

I think we need to grit our teeth and just get through this period. It is impossible to stop transmission altogether, but if the hospitals are under pressure, we can slow down the trajectory rather than go through something like the aftermath of \"freedom day\" in the UK. The alternative is to try to be like Australia and NZ where they are undergoing repeated and prolonged strict lockdowns to contain the virus. And even they are saying that this is only until they have sufficient nos. vaccinated, then they will have to go through a phase like this too before the virus becomes endemic.

And yes, I agree with others that they should stop posting the total infections no. They should put their money where their mouth is and just post the no. hospitalised, seriously ill and in ICU.

I also feel their messaging is totally confusing. There are so many variations on the various themes - QO/HCW/HCA/home recovery, symptomatic/asymptomatic, positive/negative results, close/not-so-close contact, ART/PCR, home/SASH/A&E, etc. Can't they devise something simpler and more streamlined?

[sharonkhoo]

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2039222\" time=\"1632443447\" user_id=\"43981:

If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?

Assuming that those in hospital are there because they have more serious symptoms (although not on oxygen), maybe they need more recovery time? Home recovery is for asymptomatic or mild symptoms.

[MrsKiasu]

slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2039231\" time=\"1632447911\" user_id=\"28674:

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2039222\" time=\"1632443447\" user_id=\"43981:

If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?

Assuming that those in hospital are there because they have more serious symptoms (although not on oxygen), maybe they need more recovery time? Home recovery is for asymptomatic or mild symptoms.

I m not sure..based on my simple thinking. If based on 1k+ cases a day with not much ability to control, with home recovery scheme on, already got news of healthcare system under pressure and if the hospital number just not going down, then it is not good news.. we going to expect much more before stabilizing..and don't know that high period will retained for how long.

I also think opening is good..but the system need to be able to absorb the shock..or is it now just not the ripe time yet?

[sharonkhoo]

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2039233\" time=\"1632449122\" user_id=\"43981:

slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2039231\" time=\"1632447911\" user_id=\"28674:

[quote=MrsKiasu post_id=2039222 time=1632443447 user_id=43981]If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?

Assuming that those in hospital are there because they have more serious symptoms (although not on oxygen), maybe they need more recovery time? Home recovery is for asymptomatic or mild symptoms.

I m not sure..based on my simple thinking. If based on 1k+ cases a day with little control, with home recovery scheme on, already got news of healthcare system under pressure and if the hospital number just not going down, then it is not good news.. we going to expect much more before stabilizing..and don't know that high period will retained for how long.

I also think opening is good..but the system need to be able to absorb the shock..or is it now just not the ripe time yet?[/quote]The rapid rise in cases is going to happen now or later, but it will happen. Already, the promised re-opening isn't happening, with the hope that it will slow the trajectory. But tightening further won't make the road to \"endemic\" any easier in future as our vaccination rate isn't going to get any significantly higher no matter how much longer we wait. My feeling is that since it's unavoidable, let's just get it over and done with.