Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates

[MrsKiasu]

If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?

[MrsKiasu]

Home recovery started from 15/18Sept…if most are mild then we should expect minimal admission from most age groups except the top and bottom age groups?

[sharonkhoo]

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039214\" time=\"1632437835\" user_id=\"14025:

What measures can the govt implement to stop the current deadly wave?

\"deadly wave\" is an overstatement, I feel. It has been widely known (although only recently stated clearly) that an upsurge of cases is expected in the process of the virus becoming endemic. Although it is true that some get seriously ill and some die, without vaccination, the no. would be far higher without vaccination. 98% of cases are not considered serious, so it really isn't a very deadly wave. Even if we are willing to live under CB conditions forever, sooner or later people will die - if not from Covid, it will be something else. And for those who lose their businesses and livelihoods, suffer mental health issues, etc, there will be deaths and suffering for other reasons too, which should be balanced against deaths from Covid.

I think we need to grit our teeth and just get through this period. It is impossible to stop transmission altogether, but if the hospitals are under pressure, we can slow down the trajectory rather than go through something like the aftermath of \"freedom day\" in the UK. The alternative is to try to be like Australia and NZ where they are undergoing repeated and prolonged strict lockdowns to contain the virus. And even they are saying that this is only until they have sufficient nos. vaccinated, then they will have to go through a phase like this too before the virus becomes endemic.

And yes, I agree with others that they should stop posting the total infections no. They should put their money where their mouth is and just post the no. hospitalised, seriously ill and in ICU.

I also feel their messaging is totally confusing. There are so many variations on the various themes - QO/HCW/HCA/home recovery, symptomatic/asymptomatic, positive/negative results, close/not-so-close contact, ART/PCR, home/SASH/A&E, etc. Can't they devise something simpler and more streamlined?

[sharonkhoo]

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2039222\" time=\"1632443447\" user_id=\"43981:

If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?

Assuming that those in hospital are there because they have more serious symptoms (although not on oxygen), maybe they need more recovery time? Home recovery is for asymptomatic or mild symptoms.

[MrsKiasu]

slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2039231\" time=\"1632447911\" user_id=\"28674:

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2039222\" time=\"1632443447\" user_id=\"43981:

If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?

Assuming that those in hospital are there because they have more serious symptoms (although not on oxygen), maybe they need more recovery time? Home recovery is for asymptomatic or mild symptoms.

I m not sure..based on my simple thinking. If based on 1k+ cases a day with not much ability to control, with home recovery scheme on, already got news of healthcare system under pressure and if the hospital number just not going down, then it is not good news.. we going to expect much more before stabilizing..and don't know that high period will retained for how long.

I also think opening is good..but the system need to be able to absorb the shock..or is it now just not the ripe time yet?

[sharonkhoo]

MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2039233\" time=\"1632449122\" user_id=\"43981:

slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2039231\" time=\"1632447911\" user_id=\"28674:

[quote=MrsKiasu post_id=2039222 time=1632443447 user_id=43981]If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?

Assuming that those in hospital are there because they have more serious symptoms (although not on oxygen), maybe they need more recovery time? Home recovery is for asymptomatic or mild symptoms.

I m not sure..based on my simple thinking. If based on 1k+ cases a day with little control, with home recovery scheme on, already got news of healthcare system under pressure and if the hospital number just not going down, then it is not good news.. we going to expect much more before stabilizing..and don't know that high period will retained for how long.

I also think opening is good..but the system need to be able to absorb the shock..or is it now just not the ripe time yet?[/quote]The rapid rise in cases is going to happen now or later, but it will happen. Already, the promised re-opening isn't happening, with the hope that it will slow the trajectory. But tightening further won't make the road to \"endemic\" any easier in future as our vaccination rate isn't going to get any significantly higher no matter how much longer we wait. My feeling is that since it's unavoidable, let's just get it over and done with.

[starlight1968sg]

what is more to tighten? Reduce the number of fully jabbed to dine out? Everybody is very concern on the current wave.

[phtthp]

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039245\" time=\"1632457128\" user_id=\"14025:

what is more to tighten?

Reduce the number of fully jabbed to dine out?
Everybody is very concern on the current wave.

Singapore in trouble, if we become the epi-centre for the covid virus, to circulate around.

Even if you were to cut down the number of diners from 5 to 2 to makan inside restaurant, the virus will still spread.

But on the other hand, we also cannot close our economy because there are many people whose livelihood depend on an open economy to survive, to be able to put food on the table for their children to eat.

Adults go hungry, still can tahan. But not children, toddlers, young kids. When they are hungry, no food, they will cry aloud and as parents, you will be emotionally drained to find food for them.

Also, not everyone can work from Home. Some jobs, just cannot.

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As for the P3 to P5,
since P1 and P2 no exam,

right after PSLE is over for P6xers in 2 weeks' time, P3 to P5 can go back to school, take their end-of year exam, within 1 week.
After that, once exam over,
if the infected figures still rise from 1k+ to 2k+ or 3k+, Moe can announce bye bye to end of Term 4, bring forward their year end school holiday.

Only concern is, during school holiday, who will take care of them at home ?

If the P3 to P6s, after all their exam are over, spill out to the streets, road, shopping centre (mall), because they feel bored staying at home, then the number will rise again

[Zappy]

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039245\" time=\"1632457128\" user_id=\"14025:

what is more to tighten? Reduce the number of fully jabbed to dine out? Everybody is very concern on the current wave.

I personally think that we should stick it out and get this over with.
But to answer your question - there are lots more they can do to tighten up, right?

Including the previous measures all the way to circuit-breaker right at the start of this whole mess
- cutting number of visitors to 2 then to 0...
- cutting diners to 2 then to no dine-in and only takeaway
- businesses close except for essential services
- all WFH except for essential workers
- cut CCAs & PE and all team activities, HBL for all levels

[sharonkhoo]

starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039245\" time=\"1632457128\" user_id=\"14025:

what is more to tighten? Reduce the number of fully jabbed to dine out? Everybody is very concern on the current wave.

Tighter measures: We could go back to full CB, all offices and restaurants closed, all schools on HBL, cut back on flights, tourists, etc. But what's the point? This rise in cases has to happen - if not now, then later. The rate of increase can be slowed (hence the current measures, and the threat of even more measures), but the increase itself has to happen sooner or later. It's just whether it happens quickly or slowly.