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    Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates

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    • sharonkhooS Offline
      sharonkhoo
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      MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2039222\" time=\"1632443447\" user_id=\"43981:

      If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?
      Assuming that those in hospital are there because they have more serious symptoms (although not on oxygen), maybe they need more recovery time? Home recovery is for asymptomatic or mild symptoms.

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      • MrsKiasuM Offline
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        slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2039231\" time=\"1632447911\" user_id=\"28674:

        MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2039222\" time=\"1632443447\" user_id=\"43981:

        If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?

        Assuming that those in hospital are there because they have more serious symptoms (although not on oxygen), maybe they need more recovery time? Home recovery is for asymptomatic or mild symptoms.

        I m not sure..based on my simple thinking. If based on 1k+ cases a day with not much ability to control, with home recovery scheme on, already got news of healthcare system under pressure and if the hospital number just not going down, then it is not good news.. we going to expect much more before stabilizing..and don't know that high period will retained for how long.

        I also think opening is good..but the system need to be able to absorb the shock..or is it now just not the ripe time yet?

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        • sharonkhooS Offline
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          MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2039233\" time=\"1632449122\" user_id=\"43981:

          slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2039231\" time=\"1632447911\" user_id=\"28674:

          [quote=MrsKiasu post_id=2039222 time=1632443447 user_id=43981]If now those home recovery can discharge 7 to 10 days those in hospital should be about time to discharge too?

          Assuming that those in hospital are there because they have more serious symptoms (although not on oxygen), maybe they need more recovery time? Home recovery is for asymptomatic or mild symptoms.

          I m not sure..based on my simple thinking. If based on 1k+ cases a day with little control, with home recovery scheme on, already got news of healthcare system under pressure and if the hospital number just not going down, then it is not good news.. we going to expect much more before stabilizing..and don't know that high period will retained for how long.

          I also think opening is good..but the system need to be able to absorb the shock..or is it now just not the ripe time yet?[/quote]The rapid rise in cases is going to happen now or later, but it will happen. Already, the promised re-opening isn't happening, with the hope that it will slow the trajectory. But tightening further won't make the road to \"endemic\" any easier in future as our vaccination rate isn't going to get any significantly higher no matter how much longer we wait. My feeling is that since it's unavoidable, let's just get it over and done with.

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          • starlight1968sgS Offline
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            what is more to tighten? Reduce the number of fully jabbed to dine out? Everybody is very concern on the current wave.

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            • phtthpP Offline
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              starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039245\" time=\"1632457128\" user_id=\"14025:

              what is more to tighten?

              Reduce the number of fully jabbed to dine out?
              Everybody is very concern on the current wave.
              Singapore in trouble, if we become the epi-centre for the covid virus, to circulate around.

              Even if you were to cut down the number of diners from 5 to 2 to makan inside restaurant, the virus will still spread.

              But on the other hand, we also cannot close our economy because there are many people whose livelihood depend on an open economy to survive, to be able to put food on the table for their children to eat.

              Adults go hungry, still can tahan. But not children, toddlers, young kids. When they are hungry, no food, they will cry aloud and as parents, you will be emotionally drained to find food for them.

              Also, not everyone can work from Home. Some jobs, just cannot.

              ==========================
              As for the P3 to P5,
              since P1 and P2 no exam,

              right after PSLE is over for P6xers in 2 weeks' time, P3 to P5 can go back to school, take their end-of year exam, within 1 week.
              After that, once exam over,
              if the infected figures still rise from 1k+ to 2k+ or 3k+, Moe can announce bye bye to end of Term 4, bring forward their year end school holiday.

              Only concern is, during school holiday, who will take care of them at home ?

              If the P3 to P6s, after all their exam are over, spill out to the streets, road, shopping centre (mall), because they feel bored staying at home, then the number will rise again

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              • ZappyZ Offline
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                starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039245\" time=\"1632457128\" user_id=\"14025:

                what is more to tighten? Reduce the number of fully jabbed to dine out? Everybody is very concern on the current wave.
                I personally think that we should stick it out and get this over with.
                But to answer your question - there are lots more they can do to tighten up, right?

                Including the previous measures all the way to circuit-breaker right at the start of this whole mess
                - cutting number of visitors to 2 then to 0...
                - cutting diners to 2 then to no dine-in and only takeaway
                - businesses close except for essential services
                - all WFH except for essential workers
                - cut CCAs & PE and all team activities, HBL for all levels

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                • sharonkhooS Offline
                  sharonkhoo
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                  starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039245\" time=\"1632457128\" user_id=\"14025:

                  what is more to tighten? Reduce the number of fully jabbed to dine out? Everybody is very concern on the current wave.
                  Tighter measures: We could go back to full CB, all offices and restaurants closed, all schools on HBL, cut back on flights, tourists, etc. But what's the point? This rise in cases has to happen - if not now, then later. The rate of increase can be slowed (hence the current measures, and the threat of even more measures), but the increase itself has to happen sooner or later. It's just whether it happens quickly or slowly.

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                  • starlight1968sgS Offline
                    starlight1968sg
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                    slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2039250\" time=\"1632458550\" user_id=\"28674:

                    starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039245\" time=\"1632457128\" user_id=\"14025:

                    what is more to tighten? Reduce the number of fully jabbed to dine out? Everybody is very concern on the current wave.

                    Tighter measures: We could go back to full CB, all offices and restaurants closed, all schools on HBL, cut back on flights, tourists, etc. But what's the point? This rise in cases has to happen - if not now, then later. The rate of increase can be slowed (hence the current measures, and the threat of even more measures), but the increase itself has to happen sooner or later. It's just whether it happens quickly or slowly.

                    I am more incline to go back to full CB to curb the spread in the community despite the majority of the population is fully vaccinated

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                      SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2039207\" time=\"1632415804\" user_id=\"188234:

                      lee_yl\" post_id=\"2039204\" time=\"1632413818\" user_id=\"17023:

                      MOH must quickly adjust their protocols so as to avoid adding more stress to the healthcare system. Remember how we deal with the mega clusters in the dormitories last year? A lot of people were roped in to set up temporary care facilities at Tanjong Pagar Terminal and Singapore Expo to cope with rising numbers. Back then, the number of daily figures was very high!

                      All these measures forgotten already ah? How we treated the foreign workers last year could be applied to Singaporeans too. Simply put it this way, dump all Singaporeans aged 5yo-69yo who can’t do home recovery, to the common care facilities. Keep the numbers at hospitals as low as possible!!!

                      Not as large of scale as Expo or Tanjong Pagar Terminal but repurpose some facilities to provide more care to those who need it.

                      https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/covid-19-moh-first-community-treatment-facility-elderly-patients-tampines-2196826

                      I thought of these mega CRFs and CCFs too. Like we used to have floatels, cruise ships, army camps, etc. But you need to reserve them for potential outbreak in the dorms too, which is already simmering for weeks.

                      Second, the reason why we could have those operating was cos Teo Chee Hean personally approached Raffles Medical Group boss to appeal for help. RMG recalled their PRC and Vietnam healthcare workers to come to Singapore to support our healthcare system you know! It was because in 2Q 2020, these 2 places were relatively Covid-free then.

                      https://i.imgur.com/5kdJwYD.png\">
                      https://mothership.sg/2021/04/raffles-medical-loo-choon-yong-teo-chee-hean-covid-19/

                      But now, their overseas clinics are up and running and business-as-usual already. You cannot ask them to sacrifice their overseas pte clinic/hospital foreign nurses for your CCFs right? 人家可是要做生意的呀. Moreover, RMG is manning so many VCs islandwide, as well as RRTs.

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                      • starlight1968sgS Offline
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                        Zappy\" post_id=\"2039248\" time=\"1632458451\" user_id=\"134817:

                        starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2039245\" time=\"1632457128\" user_id=\"14025:

                        what is more to tighten? Reduce the number of fully jabbed to dine out? Everybody is very concern on the current wave.

                        I personally think that we should stick it out and get this over with.
                        But to answer your question - there are lots more they can do to tighten up, right?

                        Including the previous measures all the way to circuit-breaker right at the start of this whole mess
                        - cutting number of visitors to 2 then to 0...
                        - cutting diners to 2 then to no dine-in and only takeaway
                        - businesses close except for essential services
                        - all WFH except for essential workers
                        - cut CCAs & PE and all team activities, HBL for all levels

                        Only takeaway would severely affect businesses and the livelihood of some.
                        HBL to begin on 27 Sep?

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