Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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WE2012\" post_id=\"2039739\" time=\"1632874132\" user_id=\"138082:
Then what other effective tools do you have in mind to bring down the cases? Or do you propose that we just wait passively for the most vulnerable segment of our population to die off?
Agree that we are past \"using lockdown\" as an effective tool to slow down infection. The horse has already bolted since we allowed our daily unlinked case count to balloon. Lockdown is only effective as a tool when we are able to target infection reservoirs.Nasi Lemak\" post_id=\"2039735\" time=\"1632871630\" user_id=\"188813:[quote=\"Nasi Lemak\" post_id=2039735 time=1632871630 user_id=188813]
Agree. Too late. Will take a few months even if lock down now. Will have to reduce our activities and try to stay safe. I guess we are on our own now.
Suffice to say there could be a few thousands infection reservoirs within our own community, seeding new infection daily. This is also aided by ineffective quarantine measures like ART positive self quarantine at home, potentially seeding the entire family and neighbors. Henceforth, it will be everyone for himself/herself.
The rule governing the game has already changed and it is now \"survival of the fittest\" as we seek herd immunity.[/quote]
It is never too late to lockdown, it’s whether MTF wants or doesn’t want to lockdown. 3 weeks not enough then 8 weeks lah. We have done this many times and it is proven to be effective. It is the easiest way to go but I hope lockdown is their last resort given the heavy toll on our economy.
Their most recent measures introduced are not targeted at protecting the most vulnerable groups.
Don’t let the seniors dine in lah, protect them for these few weeks to buy time for either booster shots or get those unvaccinated fully vaccinated.
Everyday I just look at how many positive cases are old folks. These two days like 300-400 per day. The seniors are the ones who are likely to occupy an isolation ward bed. The new hotel-like Tampines CTF has 300 beds for seniors, and we have like 700-800 old folks tested positive just these 2 days.
In a week or 2, 700 beds would be set up at Singapore Changi Expo CTF. Again, is that enough? And we are talking about 3200 to 5000 daily cases coming soon.
I can only say that, while we call for endemic living but we are grossly underprepared for it.
It is easy to say 98% of the positive cases have mild or no symptoms, so only 2% would require medical/hospital care. No! If we look at the figures, at least 20% of the daily cases involve seniors above 60yo and they need to go under observation before being triaged. I guess that is the reason MOH only planned to handle that 2% but now it turns out that they have to handle up to 10 times more!
So the trick is to try to bring down the cases involving seniors to avoid hogging healthcare resources and have more basic CTFs to handle mild cases. -
Can someone explain to me the logic behind got Covid (ART positive) no need to quarantine (can self-isolate at home), but maybe got maybe not (close contact) must quarantine (kena QO)?
QO and GQF no need use resources that may be better deployed somewhere else, like maybe ring-fencing our elderlies or medical observation of the more vulnerable Covid patients? -
pirate\" post_id=\"2039870\" time=\"1632965940\" user_id=\"66252:
Can someone explain to me the logic behind got Covid (ART positive) no need to quarantine (can self-isolate at home), but maybe got maybe not (close contact) must quarantine (kena QO)?
QO and GQF no need use resources that may be better deployed somewhere else, like maybe ring-fencing our elderlies or medical observation of the more vulnerable Covid patients?
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this looks to be the latest, as compiled by mothership. so close contacts of asymptomatic ART cases do not need to QO. Do read the footnote caveat.... i cannot vouch for the veracity of the info though, i think its all compiled on a best effort basis.
don't forget every ministry layers further rules on top of these central ones, like LOA lah, deep cleaning etc of various contacts of Covid positive, HRW etc. -
I hate it when people don’t listen at the beginning and then when it blows up, say you so smart you say what to do now lah. It is so adolescent.
Did we not tell you at the beginning endemic was a bad idea because your mRNA vaccines are useless against transmission of Delta? Did we not tell you to look at our own numbers, when you replied that the Brits and the Yanks say their lab numbers show it is effective?
Now that you have managed to screw it up, we tell you to push through because it is too late to reverse course.
Don’t cross the road like a freaking cat, running back when a car approaches. You will end up being roadkill.
If you need more resources to protect the vulnerable during this period, divert them from where they are not really needed. Start with govt quarantine facilities.
And for goodness sake when are we going to start vaccinating 5-11 year olds? -
What will we see if we were to push forward all the way?
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I just realised that I have never met any seniors who do not have underlying medical condition. Have you?
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pirate\" post_id=\"2039870\" time=\"1632965940\" user_id=\"66252:
To minimise healthcare resources
Can someone explain to me the logic behind got Covid (ART positive) no need to quarantine (can self-isolate at home), but maybe got maybe not (close contact) must quarantine (kena QO)?
QO and GQF no need use resources that may be better deployed somewhere else, like maybe ring-fencing our elderlies or medical observation of the more vulnerable Covid patients?
Art test not very accurate compare to pcr....so... -
ngl2010\" post_id=\"2039878\" time=\"1632969043\" user_id=\"40978:
Touchwood..my mom told me she went for check up, everything is ok.
I just realised that I have never met any seniors who do not have underlying medical condition. Have you? -
I agree that we should channel our resources to focus more on the vulnerable.
Earlier, someone posted a Chinese article on this 24 year old lady who was complaining about the TUAS facility and late food delivery,
I suppose she is there because she is unvaccinated.
Assuming she doesn’t have any underlying condition, I think she will most likely recover fine even if put on home recovery. -
What I want to see is the mortality numbers for the elderly in September so far compared to the monthly background mortality number for the same age groups for the past 2 years.
Was there a significant up tick?
They know how to say to us that people die from different causes all the time when people die after taking the vaccines, so must look at background mortality rates.
So let’s do the same here. Elderly people with underlying morbidities die all the time, if not Covid then the flu, pneumonia, dengue, diabetes etc. Let’s have a look at the numbers.
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