2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)
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CCK2008\" post_id=\"2040683\" time=\"1633351451\" user_id=\"26004:
The AL system may throw up some surprises in terms of AL COP for the top IP schools because this new system will disadvantage students with 1 or 2 weaker subjects. where in the past, this group will be able to use their super-strong subjects to pull up their overall t-score to get into IP schools of their choice.
Don't forget RI/RGS, HCI/NYGH are pure IP schools, all 12 classes are all IP. None is O level track. MGS has 4 class IP and the rest O level. Most students in RI/RGS, HCI/NYGH are ESIS students, that is why you seldom see them in edusave award ceremonies.
On the other hand, students who now score an average of 85-92 on every subject may end up with AL4 or AL5 (with a bit of luck of course). where in the past, this group of students may not see themselves as suitable for Top IP school or may think they have a low chance of getting into one due to possible fluctuation in T-score COP.
Having said that, I am sure students who belong to the 1st group are likely to have secured a CO via DSA using their super-strong subject be it in Math Science or Language.
For this reason, I believe the academic profile of students going into these IP schools under S1 posting may be different this year and we may see some changes in AL COP. e.g. Indicative AL COP for MGS (IP) may be AL6 for 2020, however for 2021, AL6 students may end up flocking to RGS since both schools have similar indicative AL COP and there are likely to be more vacancies at RGS as compared to MGS (4 classes). (this is just one possible point of view)
Since this is the first time S1 posting is conducted under AL system, the only reference parents have right now is the indicative AL COP based on 2020. Without sufficient historical AL COP pattern, it will be difficult for parents to make any meaningful predictions. For top IP schools, they still be on top due to their prestige and brand power to draw top scorers in the cohort.
Considering the anxiety among parents, I do feel that MOE should perhaps disclose additional information on top of the indicative AL COP for every secondary school. e.g Such as what percentage of 2020 intakes falls within the AL COP band?
E,g, RGS 2020 AL COP is AL6. If RGS can reveal how many students in their 2020 cohort falls within the AL6 band it will be easier for parents to assess their chance.
e.g If 40%, then we know that AL6 will have a high chance. On the other hand, if it is only 5-10%, then AL6 will have a high risk. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2040721\" time=\"1633387498\" user_id=\"30663:
The AL system may throw up some surprises in terms of AL COP for the top IP schools because this new system will disadvantage students with 1 or 2 weaker subjects. where in the past, this group will be able to use their super-strong subjects to pull up their overall t-score to get into IP schools of their choice.
On the other hand, students who now score an average of 85-92 on every subject may end up with AL4 or AL5 (with a bit of luck of course). where in the past, this group of students may not see themselves as suitable for Top IP school or may think they have a low chance of getting into one due to possible fluctuation in T-score COP.
Having said that, I am sure students who belong to the 1st group are likely to have secured a CO via DSA using their super-strong subject be it in Math Science or Language.
For this reason, I believe the academic profile of students going into these IP schools under S1 posting may be different this year and we may see some changes in AL COP. e.g. Indicative AL COP for MGS (IP) may be AL6 for 2020, however for 2021, AL6 students may end up flocking to RGS since both schools have similar indicative AL COP and there are likely to be more vacancies at RGS as compared to MGS (4 classes). (this is just one possible point of view)
Since this is the first time S1 posting is conducted under AL system, the only reference parents have right now is the indicative AL COP based on 2020. Without sufficient historical AL COP pattern, it will be difficult for parents to make any meaningful predictions. For top IP schools, they still be on top due to their prestige and brand power to draw top scorers in the cohort.
Considering the anxiety among parents, I do feel that MOE should perhaps disclose additional information on top of the indicative AL COP for every secondary school. e.g Such as what percentage of 2020 intakes falls within the AL COP band?
E,g, RGS 2020 AL COP is AL6. If RGS can reveal how many students in their 2020 cohort falls within the AL6 band it will be easier for parents to assess their chance.
e.g If 40%, then we know that AL6 will have a high chance. On the other hand, if it is only 5-10%, then AL6 will have a high risk.
I agree, when I signed up for the ST webinar, my question to Mr Sng was: \"what would have been the percentage or number of 2020 PSLE students who would have scored AL 4 or 5 under the new system and how many of that would have gotten into the IP schools. If my child scores AL 7 or 8, what are her chances of getting into an IP school?\"
Considering that there could probably be more DSA applicants this year and it is unknown whether the schools would take in more students via the DSA route compared to previous years, there could be lesser spaces available for the non-DSA students. Coupled that with IP students scoring in the range of AL4 or 5 (or AL6), I am also wondering how many spaces would be left for those scoring above that. I am not looking at the RI/RGS/HI/NYGH kind of schools but the other IP schools. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2040721\" time=\"1633387498\" user_id=\"30663:
While in some ways I don't disagree, the issue is that all of the information is based on last year and simulation only (the S1 Option forms may look a lot different this year). Unfortunately, the more info they put out, the more likely there will be items that are off and that will cause confusion or anger after the fact. Consequently, one other option is to say nothing (beyond what has already been said) with the general disclaimer of indicative only and may fluctuate.
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Considering the anxiety among parents, I do feel that MOE should perhaps disclose additional information on top of the indicative AL COP for every secondary school. e.g Such as what percentage of 2020 intakes falls within the AL COP band?
E,g, RGS 2020 AL COP is AL6. If RGS can reveal how many students in their 2020 cohort falls within the AL6 band it will be easier for parents to assess their chance.
e.g If 40%, then we know that AL6 will have a high chance. On the other hand, if it is only 5-10%, then AL6 will have a high risk.
Parents will be able to figure out which student qualified for ESIS. However, unless we know exactly how they awarded it the ESIS cohort has the potential to cover a wider band than it did in the past (i.e. assume it falls somewhere in AL6 - do all AL6s receive or only some?). And while this may help frame the odds for a few schools, it will only help so much the further down the list you go.
Over time, some \"whisper\" odds may develop for certain schools at certain COPs. However, this will still be subject to the year to year fluctuations in cohort performance and choices. As a parallel, I don't think anyone knows the odds on what L1R5 net score = 4 gets you into RI or HCI JC via the JAE. Last year I believe not all of the gross score = 8, net score = 4 made it. What were the odds and how did that compare to years past? I don't believe anyone knows for sure. -
Pegasus08\" post_id=\"2040729\" time=\"1633395623\" user_id=\"41264:
I am quite certain an iteration of the old T-Score is still being used to consider placement when it comes to balloting. We, the public, are the consumers - hence we now only need to know the AL banding.Veyron\" post_id=\"2040721\" time=\"1633387498\" user_id=\"30663:
The AL system may throw up some surprises in terms of AL COP for the top IP schools because this new system will disadvantage students with 1 or 2 weaker subjects. where in the past, this group will be able to use their super-strong subjects to pull up their overall t-score to get into IP schools of their choice.
On the other hand, students who now score an average of 85-92 on every subject may end up with AL4 or AL5 (with a bit of luck of course). where in the past, this group of students may not see themselves as suitable for Top IP school or may think they have a low chance of getting into one due to possible fluctuation in T-score COP.
Having said that, I am sure students who belong to the 1st group are likely to have secured a CO via DSA using their super-strong subject be it in Math Science or Language.
For this reason, I believe the academic profile of students going into these IP schools under S1 posting may be different this year and we may see some changes in AL COP. e.g. Indicative AL COP for MGS (IP) may be AL6 for 2020, however for 2021, AL6 students may end up flocking to RGS since both schools have similar indicative AL COP and there are likely to be more vacancies at RGS as compared to MGS (4 classes). (this is just one possible point of view)
Since this is the first time S1 posting is conducted under AL system, the only reference parents have right now is the indicative AL COP based on 2020. Without sufficient historical AL COP pattern, it will be difficult for parents to make any meaningful predictions. For top IP schools, they still be on top due to their prestige and brand power to draw top scorers in the cohort.
Considering the anxiety among parents, I do feel that MOE should perhaps disclose additional information on top of the indicative AL COP for every secondary school. e.g Such as what percentage of 2020 intakes falls within the AL COP band?
E,g, RGS 2020 AL COP is AL6. If RGS can reveal how many students in their 2020 cohort falls within the AL6 band it will be easier for parents to assess their chance.
e.g If 40%, then we know that AL6 will have a high chance. On the other hand, if it is only 5-10%, then AL6 will have a high risk.
I agree, when I signed up for the ST webinar, my question to Mr Sng was: \"what would have been the percentage or number of 2020 PSLE students who would have scored AL 4 or 5 under the new system and how many of that would have gotten into the IP schools. If my child scores AL 7 or 8, what are her chances of getting into an IP school?\"
Considering that there could probably be more DSA applicants this year and it is unknown whether the schools would take in more students via the DSA route compared to previous years, there could be lesser spaces available for the non-DSA students. Coupled that with IP students scoring in the range of AL4 or 5 (or AL6), I am also wondering how many spaces would be left for those scoring above that. I am not looking at the RI/RGS/HI/NYGH kind of schools but the other IP schools.
For my own guideline, i am assuming the following
AL4 - 280 and above (since almost no school said COP was equivalent)
AL5 - 270 to 279
AL6 - 266 to 269
AL7 - 260 to 265
AL8 - 256 to 259
AL9 - 250 to 255
AL10 - 246 to 249
AL11 - 240 to 245
AL12 - 236 to 239
AL13 - 230 to 235
AL14 - 15 - 220 to 229
AL16 - 18 - 200 to 219
AL19 - 22 - 188 to 199
So unless the MOE comes up with a better explanation how the AL score chances would be against the COP, i'll just make a probable reference as above. So if my child scores, say an AL10, i will narrow down the schools with the prev COP of 246 - 249 for chances. -
Pegasus08\" post_id=\"2040729\" time=\"1633395623\" user_id=\"41264:
Concerning DSA, what is important is not so much about the number of applicants but rather the take-up rate of the CO. Unfortunately the schools can only know after the closing of DSA submission which is 29th Oct 2021.
I agree, when I signed up for the ST webinar, my question to Mr Sng was: \"what would have been the percentage or number of 2020 PSLE students who would have scored AL 4 or 5 under the new system and how many of that would have gotten into the IP schools. If my child scores AL 7 or 8, what are her chances of getting into an IP school?\"
Considering that there could probably be more DSA applicants this year and it is unknown whether the schools would take in more students via the DSA route compared to previous years, there could be lesser spaces available for the non-DSA students. Coupled that with IP students scoring in the range of AL4 or 5 (or AL6), I am also wondering how many spaces would be left for those scoring above that. I am not looking at the RI/RGS/HI/NYGH kind of schools but the other IP schools.
For 2021, there are too many variables that can affect the outcome of S1 posting, hence it will be impossible and unwise for any school to make any prediction on what is going to happen during S1 posting.
And I also believe that any important information which is important for decision making should be release by MOE for every school instead of during Q&A -
mause\" post_id=\"2040739\" time=\"1633396814\" user_id=\"195254:
There is already an intensive discussion concerning the AL vs T-score here.I am quite certain an iteration of the old T-Score is still being used to consider placement when it comes to balloting. We, the public, are the consumers - hence we now only need to know the AL banding.
For my own guideline, i am assuming the following
AL4 - 280 and above (since almost no school said COP was equivalent)
AL5 - 270 to 279
AL6 - 266 to 269
AL7 - 260 to 265
AL8 - 256 to 259
AL9 - 250 to 255
AL10 - 246 to 249
AL11 - 240 to 245
AL12 - 236 to 239
AL13 - 230 to 235
AL14 - 15 - 220 to 229
AL16 - 18 - 200 to 219
AL19 - 22 - 188 to 199
So unless the MOE comes up with a better explanation how the AL score chances would be against the COP, i'll just make a probable reference as above. So if my child scores, say an AL10, i will narrow down the schools with the prev COP of 246 - 249 for chances.
https://www.kiasuparents.com/kiasu/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=93831&start=1600
If you wish to know the T-score estimate, you need to look at all possible permutations for every AL COP Band.
e.g. AL6 = 1113 , 1122.
As the AL COP gets bigger, there will be more permutation and you need to find out which permutation will give the lowest possible raw score. And as AL become lower, the raw score band becomes wider.
It is not a straight line equation. -
Chen Laoshi
Psle 有一题 :
警察 __ 居民的安全
- 提高
- 注意
- 保护
答案是什么 ?
谢谢 -
我的孩子说这题怪怪的。好像后面漏字。感觉如果是警察负责___居民的安全意识。
这样句子才完整，选"提高"就算对。 -
我的孩子说这题怪怪的。好像后面漏字。感觉如果是警察负责___居民的安全意识。
这样句子才完整，选"提高"就算对。 -
mause\" post_id=\"2040739\" time=\"1633396814\" user_id=\"195254:
I am quite certain an iteration of the old T-Score is still being used to consider placement when it comes to balloting. We, the public, are the consumers - hence we now only need to know the AL banding.Pegasus08\" post_id=\"2040729\" time=\"1633395623\" user_id=\"41264:
[quote=Veyron post_id=2040721 time=1633387498 user_id=30663]
The AL system may throw up some surprises in terms of AL COP for the top IP schools because this new system will disadvantage students with 1 or 2 weaker subjects. where in the past, this group will be able to use their super-strong subjects to pull up their overall t-score to get into IP schools of their choice.
On the other hand, students who now score an average of 85-92 on every subject may end up with AL4 or AL5 (with a bit of luck of course). where in the past, this group of students may not see themselves as suitable for Top IP school or may think they have a low chance of getting into one due to possible fluctuation in T-score COP.
Having said that, I am sure students who belong to the 1st group are likely to have secured a CO via DSA using their super-strong subject be it in Math Science or Language.
For this reason, I believe the academic profile of students going into these IP schools under S1 posting may be different this year and we may see some changes in AL COP. e.g. Indicative AL COP for MGS (IP) may be AL6 for 2020, however for 2021, AL6 students may end up flocking to RGS since both schools have similar indicative AL COP and there are likely to be more vacancies at RGS as compared to MGS (4 classes). (this is just one possible point of view)
Since this is the first time S1 posting is conducted under AL system, the only reference parents have right now is the indicative AL COP based on 2020. Without sufficient historical AL COP pattern, it will be difficult for parents to make any meaningful predictions. For top IP schools, they still be on top due to their prestige and brand power to draw top scorers in the cohort.
Considering the anxiety among parents, I do feel that MOE should perhaps disclose additional information on top of the indicative AL COP for every secondary school. e.g Such as what percentage of 2020 intakes falls within the AL COP band?
E,g, RGS 2020 AL COP is AL6. If RGS can reveal how many students in their 2020 cohort falls within the AL6 band it will be easier for parents to assess their chance.
e.g If 40%, then we know that AL6 will have a high chance. On the other hand, if it is only 5-10%, then AL6 will have a high risk.
I agree, when I signed up for the ST webinar, my question to Mr Sng was: \"what would have been the percentage or number of 2020 PSLE students who would have scored AL 4 or 5 under the new system and how many of that would have gotten into the IP schools. If my child scores AL 7 or 8, what are her chances of getting into an IP school?\"
Considering that there could probably be more DSA applicants this year and it is unknown whether the schools would take in more students via the DSA route compared to previous years, there could be lesser spaces available for the non-DSA students. Coupled that with IP students scoring in the range of AL4 or 5 (or AL6), I am also wondering how many spaces would be left for those scoring above that. I am not looking at the RI/RGS/HI/NYGH kind of schools but the other IP schools.
For my own guideline, i am assuming the following
AL4 - 280 and above (since almost no school said COP was equivalent)
AL5 - 270 to 279
AL6 - 266 to 269
AL7 - 260 to 265
AL8 - 256 to 259
AL9 - 250 to 255
AL10 - 246 to 249
AL11 - 240 to 245
AL12 - 236 to 239
AL13 - 230 to 235
AL14 - 15 - 220 to 229
AL16 - 18 - 200 to 219
AL19 - 22 - 188 to 199
So unless the MOE comes up with a better explanation how the AL score chances would be against the COP, i'll just make a probable reference as above. So if my child scores, say an AL10, i will narrow down the schools with the prev COP of 246 - 249 for chances.[/quote]I guess AL6 is T-score >258 Based on COP 258 for MGS. AL4 is probably 4 A-stars.
RI/RGS, HCI/NYGH have quota for DSA students. It is always the same every year. My DD school's 12 classes last year, 2 classes are for those DSA through GEP, another 2 classes for GEP/maths/science/elective programs combo, so left 8 normal classes for PSLE students. In these classes, there are some DSA through sports CCA, but not much, each sport max 2.
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