Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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lee_yl\" post_id=\"2041871\" time=\"1634010090\" user_id=\"17023:
Ban this ban that, might as well mandate all seniors to be vaccinated except those who are medically certified not able to.
Not everyone, especially the elderly, is so mobile that they can travel easily to those places where there are shophouses. Many may not know where to go if they have been mainly patronising a mall close to their home. For some/many, the nearest supermarket, pharmacy, even doctor or bank may be in a mall. And if they have to travel further, unvaccinated people will be more exposed through spending more time on public transport. I think this is a badly thought-out policy. Perhaps they should advise the unvaccinated to avoid peak periods for their own safety. If they choose not to, the risk is theirs.slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2041822\" time=\"1633997757\" user_id=\"28674:
[quote=zeit. post_id=2041779 time=1633957650 user_id=194295]All these petitioners should wean themselves off those profiteering REIT utility shopping malls. They just want to shop at H&M, Uniqlo, Donki, Daiso, right?
It's time for them to support our mom&pop small retail outlets. Singaporeans are too enslaved to mega malls.
There are so many essential services in mature HDB estates located in shophouses. If I'm banned from malls, I already know exactly where to get my substitute goods & services, from hair salons, foot reflexologist, TCM, dental, GP, banks, Ang Mo, NTUC, Giant, Guardian, Watsons, Unity, BBT, chain bakeries, hardware stores, optical shops, locksmiths/cobbler, value household stores, utensil shops to SKP.
Some argued they need to go to the telco shops, Challenger, Harvey Norman, Courts. If they're so IT savvy, why not buy or pay online? For furniture, I don't know if they can enter Ikea or Courts@Tampines, both large standalone stores. If they want a new plan, perhaps they should do it during the grace period. For HP servicing (like Samsung HP), they probably have to let them in to the malls!
For Popular items, they can buy from schoolbag or buy everything during the grace period like I did before CB kicked in. Otherwise, maybe Bras Basah Complex, Marine Parade Central HDB building or Toa Payoh HDB Hub which are not a shopping mall by definition?
For school uniforms end-Dec, maybe they can order online or from new/existing schools if they cannot enter shopping malls to fit and try?
For preggers, maybe their hubby could drive them to industrial warehouses to buy from Baby's Palace or just send the hubby to Kiddy Palace to buy whatever they need. They can order a lot of baby stuffs online/Carousell including maternity wear.
If they wish to buy undergarments, they have to buy Double Rabbit from HDB shops or online. :siam:
Earlier I proposed a temporary ban on dining in for seniors regardless of vaccination status because vaccinated seniors may also die of COVID.
How many seniors lying on hospital beds now who are seriously ill are vaccinated? Likely more than half!
Shopping itself WITH MASKS ON, is highly unlikely to transmit virus. It is not a scientific way to justify why unvaccinated folks cannot enter malls with mask on. Especially some elderly folks may want to go to bank, dental clinics or hair cut etc. at the mall infront of the house.
Not all HDB estates have plenty of shophouses like Toa Payoh HDB Hub. Ironically, TPY does not have large shopping malls but it is one of the estates with the most COVID cases!![/quote] -
pirate\" post_id=\"2041848\" time=\"1634005011\" user_id=\"66252:
Citation please.
Well, the hundreds of dead doctors in Indonesia who took Sinovac would probably disagree with you.Dreamaurora\" post_id=\"2041843\" time=\"1634004493\" user_id=\"38907:
[quote=pirate post_id=2041813 time=1633994144 user_id=66252]
Unfortunately, this is the real life cost of playing vaccine politics and dragging our feet in approving non-mRNA vaccines.
Might as well say that the scores of dead vaccinated people in Singapore would probably disagree with vaccination altogether, with that kind of politically motivated logic.
Thank you for helping to spread vaccine disinformation.[/quote]It was reported in Straits Times.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-reports-record-number-of-doctor-deaths-from-covid-19-in-july
I don't deny that unfortunately even the MRNA vaccines do not guarantee Covid survival, but there's a reason why the neighboring countries immediately administer MRNA vaccines as booster to their healthcare workers as soon as they are available.
I do agree that the government should have given the option of non-MRNA much earlier. Less protection is still better than no protection. But you and me know PAP is very much risk averse and only implement policies after they gather datas from other countries. -
slmkhoo\" post_id=\"2041822\" time=\"1633997757\" user_id=\"28674:That's the problem when tropical Singapore has gone ''malloholic'' where utilities and essential services are all housed in one building connected to the MRT. You can hardly find malls in EU...
Besides the VTL, I'm also thinking of malls that religious organisations have a stake in; have leased for services; or are visited by members regularly post-services.
But I know next to most Capitaland/Fraser/Lendlease/NTUC Enterprise/SPH/Far East/HDB malls is the old Town Centre of mature estates which have similar chain tenants offering essential services. These are not the pre-war freehold shophouses along Katong/Holland Village/Serangoon Gdns/Bt Timah just to name a few. These are post-independence shophouses upgraded with barrier-free with ramps and sheltered linkways to enable seniors to access the amenities with ease when they emerge from the bus interchange/MRT.
I'm thinking of AMK Central, Clementi Central, Bedok Central, TPY Central, etc. Another thing I don't know is whether HDB malls constitute as ''shopping malls'' per MTF's dictionary.
https://www.hdb.gov.sg/business/commercial/list-of-shopping-and-office-complexes
Anyway, MTF has said the UV are still allowed to enter for medical/TCM acupuncture and childcare services.
There are risks of course. Recall the VJC girl who went to Changi Airport clinic twice and was tested positive there. Was she infected by CAG visitors?zeit.\" post_id=\"2041509\" time=\"1633840022\" user_id=\"194295:[quote=zeit. post_id=2041509 time=1633840022 user_id=194295]I suppose the 2-pax shopping / dining rule is also slapped on the Fully Vaccinated because MTF is anticipating more VTL visitors from 11 countries from 19 Oct entering into our shopping malls, especially when many are structurally connected to 5-star hotels, e.g Swissotel+Raffles City, Marriott+Tangs, Bugis Jn+Intercontinental...
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Dreamaurora\" post_id=\"2041875\" time=\"1634011574\" user_id=\"38907:
It was reported in Straits Times.
Citation please.pirate\" post_id=\"2041848\" time=\"1634005011\" user_id=\"66252:
[quote=Dreamaurora post_id=2041843 time=1634004493 user_id=38907]
Well, the hundreds of dead doctors in Indonesia who took Sinovac would probably disagree with you.
Might as well say that the scores of dead vaccinated people in Singapore would probably disagree with vaccination altogether, with that kind of politically motivated logic.
Thank you for helping to spread vaccine disinformation.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-reports-record-number-of-doctor-deaths-from-covid-19-in-july
I don't deny that unfortunately even the MRNA vaccines do not guarantee Covid survival, but there's a reason why the neighboring countries immediately administer MRNA vaccines as booster to their healthcare workers as soon as they are available.
I do agree that the government should have given the option of non-MRNA much earlier. Less protection is still better than no protection. But you and me know PAP is very much risk averse and only implement policies after they gather datas from other countries.[/quote]I knew you were going to refer to that Straits Times article. So where in the article does it say how many of the doctors who died were fully vaccinated and how many were not, never mind with which vaccine?
The last numbers were 20 out of 401 of doctors who died were vaccinated, with 95% of medical personnel vaccinated back on 18 July 2021. Then the MSM gave up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/world/asia/indonesia-covid-sinovac.html -
zeit.\" post_id=\"2041884\" time=\"1634013989\" user_id=\"194295:
And what about shops that are located facing the main road inside a ''shopping plaza'', \"shopping arcade\", ''shopping centre\" like Bata at North Bridge Road?
Another thing I don't know is whether HDB malls constitute as ''shopping malls'' per MTF's dictionary.
https://www.hdb.gov.sg/business/commercial/list-of-shopping-and-office-complexes
Since UV can't enter your usual shopping malls (including standalone Mustafa Centre) to try white shoes before school reopens next year, can they buy from say, Bata opposite St Andrew's Cathedral? Or must they buy from Old Town HDB retail shops or dry markets?![](\"https://i.imgur.com/W1zd4Ga.png\")
https://i.imgur.com/W1zd4Ga.png\">
How about mixed development, i.e urban development that blends residential and commercial?
Can UV enter the supermarkets in there? E.g. unvaccinated Scotts Square residents cannot enter NTUC Finest downstairs? Unvaccinated Compass Heights residents cannot cut through Sengkang MRT/LRT and Compass One?
And there are industrial / commercial hubs (e.g. in Paya Lebar) that have a retail mix too. Also cannot enter during lunch time, yah?
But can buy meds and cut hair at basement of SMRT Xchange or not? There are so many basements of mixed developments in Raffles Place/Tg Pagar/City Hall that are seamlessly connected to SMRT Xchange retail space.
Will there be bouncers to stop one from entering the basement of say, Gucco Tower, to cut one's hair at QB House or visit a clinic?
Better get this defined, before the SDAs return to their old jobs as Tourist Guides or Travel Agents as tourism sector picks up. -
pirate\" post_id=\"2041885\" time=\"1634014196\" user_id=\"66252:
I knew you were going to refer to that Straits Times article. So where in the article does it say how many of the doctors who died were fully vaccinated and how many were not, never mind with which vaccine?
It was reported in Straits Times.Dreamaurora\" post_id=\"2041875\" time=\"1634011574\" user_id=\"38907:
[quote=pirate post_id=2041848 time=1634005011 user_id=66252]
Citation please.
Might as well say that the scores of dead vaccinated people in Singapore would probably disagree with vaccination altogether, with that kind of politically motivated logic.
Thank you for helping to spread vaccine disinformation.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-reports-record-number-of-doctor-deaths-from-covid-19-in-july
I don't deny that unfortunately even the MRNA vaccines do not guarantee Covid survival, but there's a reason why the neighboring countries immediately administer MRNA vaccines as booster to their healthcare workers as soon as they are available.
I do agree that the government should have given the option of non-MRNA much earlier. Less protection is still better than no protection. But you and me know PAP is very much risk averse and only implement policies after they gather datas from other countries.
The last numbers were 20 out of 401 of doctors who died were vaccinated, with 95% of medical personnel vaccinated back on 18 July 2021. Then the MSM gave up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/world/asia/indonesia-covid-sinovac.html[/quote]The NYtimes article was dated June and the Straits Times article was dated 18 July. By end of June probably safe to assume that maybe close to 90% of the doctors were fully vaccinated with Sinovac. Even so, there was a spike of 114 doctors who died from early July to 17 July, and probably quite a few more by the end of July (no article to back this up though) coinciding with the spread of Delta. So we can probably draw the conclusion here that Sinovac is far less effective than MRNAs. Contrast this with Singapore who only had the very first medical worker fatality a few days ago. Even assuming that this might be because Singapore's medical care is top notch, surely we expect at least one or two dead doctors or nurses jabbed with MRNA by by now right? In any case, it seems your mind is made up about MRNA vaccines, if that is what you believe than you are entitled to that opinion. -
Dreamaurora\" post_id=\"2041901\" time=\"1634017082\" user_id=\"38907:
The NYT article was updated 18 July.
The NYtimes article was dated June and the Straits Times article was dated 18 July. By end of June probably safe to assume that maybe close to 90% of the doctors were fully vaccinated with Sinovac. Even so, there was a spike of 114 doctors who died from early July to 17 July, and probably quite a few more by the end of July (no article to back this up though) coinciding with the spread of Delta. So we can probably draw the conclusion here that Sinovac is far less effective than MRNAs. Contrast this with Singapore who only had the very first medical worker fatality a few days ago. Even assuming that this might be because Singapore's medical care is top notch, surely we expect at least one or two dead doctors or nurses jabbed with MRNA by by now right? In any case, it seems your mind is made up about MRNA vaccines, if that is what you believe than you are entitled to that opinion.
No, you cannot scientifically draw such a conclusion because we do not know how many of the 114 deaths were vaccinated.
And no, you cannot draw a parallel between doctors and medical personnel in Singapore hospitals with doctors and medical personnel in some rural town in Indonesia with only basic facilities and no access to expensive anti-viral medication.
It is this kind of unscientific conclusion drawing that feeds the anti-vaxers - I don't want to take mRNA vaccines because they are new and unproven; I won't take Sinovac or Sinopharm either because I read that they are lousy; AZ and J have serious adverse reactions; and Sputnik etc are all not even approved by WHO. -
There are many shops esp the older estates have row of shops of almost everything we want to buy. Supermarkets in mall still can go?
Supermarkets also have quite a few outside the mall. -
I don’t think it’s a fair, apple to apple comparison. We all know the hygiene standards of hospitals in Singapore and Indonesia are vastly different. Moreover, I half suspect that during the massive outbreak, Indonesia may not have enough PPEs and their doctors and nurses may need to recycle PPEs.
There was a US scientist inoculated with Pfizer, went over to India and died of COVID-Delta variant there.
I would appreciate that MOH could release more data like how many of the vaccinated folks who passed on were inoculated with which vaccine. Maybe all those vaccinated and passed on due to COVID, 100% took Pfizer? This area, I can say Malaysia is more transparent than SG. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2041914\" time=\"1634019274\" user_id=\"17023:
In this way, as a layman, we can sense which is more helpful in preventing an infected vaccinated from dying of covid.
Maybe all those vaccinated and passed on due to COVID, 100% took Pfizer? This area, I can say Malaysia is more transparent than SG.
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