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    Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates

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    • EstéemaE Offline
      Estéema
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      Estéema\" post_id=\"2042302\" time=\"1634256627\" user_id=\"66413:

      MKS, Star,
      I’m glad I added Moderna as booster. Apparently, it’s stronger in fighting Delta strain.

      https://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/moderna-may-be-superior-to-pfizer-against-delta

      Esteema
      Am still waiting for the SMS to arrive; am more certain that I will take M despite a bit inconvenient to travel to the venue but it is just one-off.

      Good thinking. It was a bit more travelling for me too, but I just want a cocktail of my vac lor 😉 I was quite resolute with my decision whereas DH was like wants to stick to Pfizer. In the end, he knew I had my good reasons & did M eventually.

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      • starlight1968sgS Offline
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        It is wrong to start a riot or something.

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        • lee_ylL Offline
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          I hope the two young persons (23yo and 34yo) who passed on today are the rare exceptions, if not, it will get many people worried, including yours truly.

          It will not be an exception. In natural selection, the rule is \"survival of the fittest\" and nature is particularly efficient in picking out individuals with characteristics (i.e. genetics or lifestyle that predispose them to conditions that make them vulnerable) that put them in a selection disadvantage and eliminate them from the gene pool. Of course, aged people have higher likelihood of having these vulnerable characteristic but this does not means younger people are spared. Even some children will experience PIMS (pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome) following a Covid-19 infection and died from it. There is a saying: \"Death do not like to be cheated and it will collect his dues\".

          https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/misc-and-covid19-rare-inflammatory-syndrome-in-kids-and-teens

          The horse has already bolted from the barn. The virus is widely spreading is among us and there is no turning back, even if you wanted to, This is the outcome of the government's decision to \"reconnect with the world\" at all cost. The benefit is perhaps we get to reconnect with the world (subjected to the other country's decision and benefits) while the cost for us is the deaths of people with vulnerable characteristics for months to come until they are all eliminated and a new equilibrium is achieved.

          Yes, the fittest will survive. That’s why I want to know more about the 23yo and 34yo who passed on. MOH just generalised with the usual phrase of “having multiple underlying conditions”, but like what? Cancer patients? Hole in the heart? Obesity? Asthma? What kind of medical conditions actually. As the age of the fatalities get younger, people will get increasingly worried.

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          • starlight1968sgS Offline
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            am also quite fed up with the standard phrase of “having multiple underlying conditions”.

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            • Z Offline
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              sevenseals\" post_id=\"2042196\" time=\"1634196000\" user_id=\"124401:

              To get a better picture, one should go to the hospitals to see how bad the situation is.
              Many people dying. Medical staff stressed and some nurse cannot take it and leaving.

              One should also open the ears to listen to the frequent number of ambulance sirens every few hours as they rush to hospital to save a life. Not just look at some general stats from an overseas hospital to comfort yourself that everything is ok here.
              Can we https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/4-week-suspension-of-hospital-visits-begins-visitors-welcome-stepped-up-covid-19 without taking an ART from 24 Sep onwards? Aren't elective surgeries postponed already? :scratchhead:

              If you haven't been inside one in recent months, you must be getting the whistleblower info from Reddit, HWZ, MS like everyone else, unless you personally know HCW fighting at the frontline. HCW are not authorised to speak to media you know.

              I don't live near any hospital, so I've never heard any ambulance blaring in recent weeks, not even on the expressways or in the NCID vicinity. Are you sure ambulances need to sound the siren when conveying C+ patients? Or some other emergencies?

              While I feel very sorry for our HCW, half of me attribute it to the unpreparedness of MOH. How could you take 1 month to get https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/icu-capacity-to-be-ramped-up-covid-19-treatment-facilities-to-have-3700-beds-by-end-oct ready for the vulnerable? What's taking so long for our nursing homes and the likes of Ren Ci to undergo makeover until they are as swanky as the NTUC Health@Tampines? Is it due to red tape, e.g. must call for proper govt tender to retrofit the rooms? Have they ordered professional hospital beds in advance and recruited more cleaners, caterers and allied nurses to staff those 3,700 beds?

              I'm just shocked that they had all the resource projections and stats on hand months ago (with OYK oft-repeating his twofold 100, 250, 500, 1000 scenario) but they can't get the beds set up fast enough. If you knew this was going to be the scenario by looking at several math models, why didn't you appeal to retired or allied health professionals much earlier and put their interest on record first? If beds & ICU/HD-trained staff are limited, then they might have to resort to healthcare rationing. 😓

              https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/13/health/rationing-care-hospital-beds-staff-explainer-wellness/index.html

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              • sharonkhooS Offline
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                starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2042318\" time=\"1634260419\" user_id=\"14025:

                It is wrong to start a riot or something.
                Apparently there were voices raised, but no violence. Part of the problem, I think, is that many did not understand that policies and protocols have been changed (maybe language issue?). Plus, of course, there were some delays. And they are all cooped up together. Perhaps better dissemination of info in a language they understand well needs to be done, and early.

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                  lee_yl\" post_id=\"2042320\" time=\"1634260519\" user_id=\"17023:

                  Yes, the fittest will survive. That’s why I want to know more about the 23yo and 34yo who passed on. MOH just generalised with the usual phrase of “having multiple underlying conditions”, but like what? Cancer patients? Hole in the heart? Obesity? Asthma? What kind of medical conditions actually. As the age of the fatalities get younger, people will get increasingly worried.
                  Let's get real and reasonable. Why would they divulge details on one's death certificate to the public? If they've declared we're going endemic, they will soon operate like the UK's NHS which never mentions ''multiple underlying conditions\" of the dead. In fact, the NHS is going to publish only weekly death reports from 14 Oct onwards. The dead is but a statistic to public healthcare professional in a global pandemic.

                  https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

                  Btw, for some, it could be due to their chain smoking habits or taking of non-mRNA vaccines/not taking any at all.

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                  • lee_ylL Offline
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                    lee_yl\" post_id=\"2042320\" time=\"1634260519\" user_id=\"17023:

                    Yes, the fittest will survive. That’s why I want to know more about the 23yo and 34yo who passed on. MOH just generalised with the usual phrase of “having multiple underlying conditions”, but like what? Cancer patients? Hole in the heart? Obesity? Asthma? What kind of medical conditions actually. As the age of the fatalities get younger, people will get increasingly worried.

                    Let's get real and reasonable. Why would they divulge details on one's death certificate to the public? If they've declared we're going endemic, they will soon operate like the UK's NHS which never mentions ''multiple underlying conditions\" of the dead. In fact, the NHS is going to publish only weekly death reports from 14 Oct onwards. The dead is but a statistic to public healthcare professional in a global pandemic.

                    https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/

                    Btw, for some, it could be due to their chain smoking habits or taking of non-mRNA vaccines/not taking any at all.

                    Are they even smokers in the first place? Smoking itself is not an underlying condition.

                    Being only partially vaccinated, be it S, P or M, the protection offered is equally good (or poor).

                    Endemic living with such a high death rate, higher than flu’s, is it normal or not?

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                    • starlight1968sgS Offline
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                      lee_yl\" post_id=\"2042353\" time=\"1634267500\" user_id=\"17023:

                      Endemic living with such a high death rate, higher than flu’s, is it normal or not?
                      Not normal at all unless the normal has been re-defined.

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                      • sharonkhooS Offline
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                        starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2042357\" time=\"1634267834\" user_id=\"14025:

                        lee_yl\" post_id=\"2042353\" time=\"1634267500\" user_id=\"17023:

                        Endemic living with such a high death rate, higher than flu’s, is it normal or not?

                        Not normal at all unless the normal has been re-defined.

                        This is a passing phase; it will reduce and stabilise eventually.

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