Corona Virus Disease (COVID-19) Updates
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sevenseals\" post_id=\"2042196\" time=\"1634196000\" user_id=\"124401:
Can we https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/4-week-suspension-of-hospital-visits-begins-visitors-welcome-stepped-up-covid-19 without taking an ART from 24 Sep onwards? Aren't elective surgeries postponed already? :scratchhead:
To get a better picture, one should go to the hospitals to see how bad the situation is.
Many people dying. Medical staff stressed and some nurse cannot take it and leaving.
One should also open the ears to listen to the frequent number of ambulance sirens every few hours as they rush to hospital to save a life. Not just look at some general stats from an overseas hospital to comfort yourself that everything is ok here.
If you haven't been inside one in recent months, you must be getting the whistleblower info from Reddit, HWZ, MS like everyone else, unless you personally know HCW fighting at the frontline. HCW are not authorised to speak to media you know.
I don't live near any hospital, so I've never heard any ambulance blaring in recent weeks, not even on the expressways or in the NCID vicinity. Are you sure ambulances need to sound the siren when conveying C+ patients? Or some other emergencies?
While I feel very sorry for our HCW, half of me attribute it to the unpreparedness of MOH. How could you take 1 month to get https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/icu-capacity-to-be-ramped-up-covid-19-treatment-facilities-to-have-3700-beds-by-end-oct ready for the vulnerable? What's taking so long for our nursing homes and the likes of Ren Ci to undergo makeover until they are as swanky as the NTUC Health@Tampines? Is it due to red tape, e.g. must call for proper govt tender to retrofit the rooms? Have they ordered professional hospital beds in advance and recruited more cleaners, caterers and allied nurses to staff those 3,700 beds?
I'm just shocked that they had all the resource projections and stats on hand months ago (with OYK oft-repeating his twofold 100, 250, 500, 1000 scenario) but they can't get the beds set up fast enough. If you knew this was going to be the scenario by looking at several math models, why didn't you appeal to retired or allied health professionals much earlier and put their interest on record first? If beds & ICU/HD-trained staff are limited, then they might have to resort to healthcare rationing.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/13/health/rationing-care-hospital-beds-staff-explainer-wellness/index.html -
starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2042318\" time=\"1634260419\" user_id=\"14025:
Apparently there were voices raised, but no violence. Part of the problem, I think, is that many did not understand that policies and protocols have been changed (maybe language issue?). Plus, of course, there were some delays. And they are all cooped up together. Perhaps better dissemination of info in a language they understand well needs to be done, and early.
It is wrong to start a riot or something. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2042320\" time=\"1634260519\" user_id=\"17023:
Let's get real and reasonable. Why would they divulge details on one's death certificate to the public? If they've declared we're going endemic, they will soon operate like the UK's NHS which never mentions ''multiple underlying conditions\" of the dead. In fact, the NHS is going to publish only weekly death reports from 14 Oct onwards. The dead is but a statistic to public healthcare professional in a global pandemic.
Yes, the fittest will survive. That’s why I want to know more about the 23yo and 34yo who passed on. MOH just generalised with the usual phrase of “having multiple underlying conditions”, but like what? Cancer patients? Hole in the heart? Obesity? Asthma? What kind of medical conditions actually. As the age of the fatalities get younger, people will get increasingly worried.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Btw, for some, it could be due to their chain smoking habits or taking of non-mRNA vaccines/not taking any at all. -
zeit.\" post_id=\"2042350\" time=\"1634266430\" user_id=\"194295:
Are they even smokers in the first place? Smoking itself is not an underlying condition.
Let's get real and reasonable. Why would they divulge details on one's death certificate to the public? If they've declared we're going endemic, they will soon operate like the UK's NHS which never mentions ''multiple underlying conditions\" of the dead. In fact, the NHS is going to publish only weekly death reports from 14 Oct onwards. The dead is but a statistic to public healthcare professional in a global pandemic.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2042320\" time=\"1634260519\" user_id=\"17023:
Yes, the fittest will survive. That’s why I want to know more about the 23yo and 34yo who passed on. MOH just generalised with the usual phrase of “having multiple underlying conditions”, but like what? Cancer patients? Hole in the heart? Obesity? Asthma? What kind of medical conditions actually. As the age of the fatalities get younger, people will get increasingly worried.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/
Btw, for some, it could be due to their chain smoking habits or taking of non-mRNA vaccines/not taking any at all.
Being only partially vaccinated, be it S, P or M, the protection offered is equally good (or poor).
Endemic living with such a high death rate, higher than flu’s, is it normal or not? -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2042353\" time=\"1634267500\" user_id=\"17023:
Not normal at all unless the normal has been re-defined.
Endemic living with such a high death rate, higher than flu’s, is it normal or not? -
starlight1968sg\" post_id=\"2042357\" time=\"1634267834\" user_id=\"14025:
This is a passing phase; it will reduce and stabilise eventually.
Not normal at all unless the normal has been re-defined.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2042353\" time=\"1634267500\" user_id=\"17023:
Endemic living with such a high death rate, higher than flu’s, is it normal or not?
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What is our death rate for flu? I know from HC's FB that death from pneumonia is 4,000+ per year.
OYK has already reminded umpteen times that we're going to reach 3,000, 5,000 or even 10,000 by year-end. That means mortality rate will go up too. Some models based on the current trajectory have already projected 400-500 deaths by end of this month. We're at the halfway mark on 14 Oct, not far from their projection.![](\"https://i.imgur.com/8FfdUmZ.png\")
https://i.imgur.com/8FfdUmZ.png\">
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/medical-care-rationing-should-covid-vaccination-status-matter-173621167.html
“If being unvaccinated and having lung failure puts you at a worse chance of survival versus someone who just comes in with asthma and lung problems but are vaccinated. Many places would give priority to the vaccinated asthma patient as opposed to the unvaccinated lung failure patient. What they’re watching is outcome and likelihood of success.” — Art Caplan, bioethicist, to CNN
Our lives are dependent on their triage... :scared: -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2042353\" time=\"1634267500\" user_id=\"17023:
Are they even smokers in the first place? Smoking itself is not an underlying condition.
Perhaps it's a shortcut reference: smoking = impaired lung function = risk factor for Covid -
zeit.\" post_id=\"2042362\" time=\"1634268971\" user_id=\"194295:
I see different figures ranging from 600 to 800 yearly.
What is our death rate for flu? I know from HC's FB that death from pneumonia is 4,000+ per year.
According to this ST article is 2/ day = 60/ mth
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/daily-covid-19-numbers-should-not-blur-the-bigger-picture-and-cause-unintended-pain -
sevenseals\" post_id=\"2042200\" time=\"1634196958\" user_id=\"124401:
Yes, we need to go back to your previous post on natural immunity to understand why UK's fatality rate is flattening.
Top chart shows UK fatality rate flattening.
Bottom chart shows Singapore's fatality rate rising rapidly.
UK had over 8mil natural infection cases out of its 68mil population and over 138k deaths before/during its mass inoculation exercise. France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, and other VTL countries had gone thru this 'rite of passage'; or natural selection or whatever u like to call it...![](\"https://i.imgur.com/RC6EPHB.png\")
Singapore is going in the opp direction, i.e. mass inoculation first followed by infection. Not sure how severe this wave will turn out. LW said we're in a much better position than EU was early this year since 84% of Covid-naive are fully vaccinated.
The dose interval plays a big part too. U.K. allowed as long as 12 weeks between doses of AZ vaccine. Is that why they are seeing only 100+ deaths per day now? Like the UK, Denmark and Germany also approved longer delays between vaccinations, allowing up to 12 weeks between AZ doses in Germany and 6 weeks on the Pfizer shot in Denmark. These are among the 11 VTL countries. Does it surprise us that they are happily endemic today?
Japan's fatality rate is ''faring well'' too during the August wave, as they've a high vaccination rate among their elderly population aged above 65.
I'm sure Taiwan will do well too as they've had majority of their elderly inoculated. TW is mainly relying on ad hoc vaccine donations from various countries. Irregular and unpredictable shipments have forced TW's dose interval to be stretched from 8-12 weeks, which could be a blessing in disguise. Ironically, TW might end up becoming better protected than say, Singapore, HK or Israel, when Delta goes a-knocking there.
https://fortune.com/2021/10/13/different-covid-outbreaks-vaccine-comparison-us-uk-germany-pfizer-astrazeneca/
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