2022 PSLE Discussions & Strategies (born in 2010)
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Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2044565\" time=\"1635852016\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2044565 time=1635852016 user_id=195250]
To be fair, students with the highest score should be able to get into their dream schools just like a hardworking staff should get his promotion. If there are only 10 places left in a school with 15 students fighting for the places, the selection criteria should be their exam result not their luck by balloting. In Chinese, we say \"技不如人，Veyron\" post_id=\"2044564\" time=\"1635849923\" user_id=\"30663:
Under t-score, every mark counts because COP was measured by a single or decimal of a mark. And how well their peers do will also affect their own score.
I see. So the student MAY be able to go to some elite secondary school, except he may have to ballot for it. Well, it's still a chance, better than no chance at all if it is clear that someone else is better than him using the old t-score.
Maybe it's time we should call a horse a horse. MOE has replaced a system that can finely place students in schools, with another system that has an element of \"chance\" in it. Is this better? Who knows. Maybe it's good for kids who need more time to adjust to secondary school. But I wouldn't want to be a top scorer who gets squeezed out of my desired school by someone I know is not as good as me, by something called chance.
Under AL system, students only need to do their best and their best is all that count. How other students performed will not affect their own score.
MOE has already recommended students pick their choices and order of school carefully. If suppose a student score AL6, he or she certainly need to pick a AL7 COP school as 2nd or 3rd choice. I am sure parents cant be too upset to see their child getting into into AL7 COP school right?
輸得心服口服\" if the losers are having a lower score than the winners.[/quote]highest score is AL4 and certainly don't need to ballot..Even AL5 should be safe too. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2044590\" time=\"1635859990\" user_id=\"30663:
Yes, that is correct! Hurry, sign up for more tuitions! MOE already said there will be difficult math questions.
highest score is AL4 and certainly don't need to ballot..Even AL5 should be safe too.[/quote]Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2044565\" time=\"1635852016\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2044565 time=1635852016 user_id=195250]
To be fair, students with the highest score should be able to get into their dream schools just like a hardworking staff should get his promotion. If there are only 10 places left in a school with 15 students fighting for the places, the selection criteria should be their exam result not their luck by balloting. In Chinese, we say \"技不如人，
輸得心服口服\" if the losers are having a lower score than the winners. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044589\" time=\"1635859686\" user_id=\"17023:
1). If no need to work extra hard to achieve 100% so now psle deemed less stressful, why students still need to cry over the tough maths paper?Veyron\" post_id=\"2044559\" time=\"1635846801\" user_id=\"30663:
[quote=lee_yl post_id=2044554 time=1635843637 user_id=17023]
So for those parents who are contented with whatever secondary school theirs kids go, under the old tscore system, they will also be stress free. And for those who aim for top schools be it under the old or new system, they will equally be stressful.
So is the reform needless?
Please elaborate how the AL system makes choices much wider? Under the old tscore system, one can also pick any sec school of their choice so long they can meet the COP
1) Under new AL system, 90 is the new 100, which mean students doesn't need to work extra hard to achieve that 100 or \"perfect\" score.
2) Unlike t-score, AL COP is based on a range of scores, which mean more students will be eligible and more schools will have similar AL COP.
2). Eligible for more schools with similar AL COP? Under old tscore isn’t it the same? If one’s tscore is 23X, one can choose all the schools with COP 23X. I do not think there are more choices.[/quote]if a student doesn't always get 100 marks for school math papers then there is really no point in crying just because of a few tough math questions in psle. i reckon most students will perhaps lost more marks in average questions due to carelessness than missing out on tough questions.
As MOE has already explain that psle is cater for students with different learning abilities and that includes GEP students too.
23x can range from 230 to 239 and that could mean 10 different COP.
if a students miss out just by 1 mark that will be zero chance. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2044593\" time=\"1635860775\" user_id=\"30663:
if a student doesn't always get 100 marks for school math papers then there is really no point in crying just because of a few tough math questions in psle. i reckon most students will perhaps lost more marks in average questions due to carelessness than missing out on tough questions.
1). If no need to work extra hard to achieve 100% so now psle deemed less stressful, why students still need to cry over the tough maths paper?lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044589\" time=\"1635859686\" user_id=\"17023:
[quote=Veyron post_id=2044559 time=1635846801 user_id=30663]
1) Under new AL system, 90 is the new 100, which mean students doesn't need to work extra hard to achieve that 100 or \"perfect\" score.
2) Unlike t-score, AL COP is based on a range of scores, which mean more students will be eligible and more schools will have similar AL COP.
2). Eligible for more schools with similar AL COP? Under old tscore isn’t it the same? If one’s tscore is 23X, one can choose all the schools with COP 23X. I do not think there are more choices.
As MOE has already explain that psle is cater for students with different learning abilities and that includes GEP students too.
23x can range from 230 to 239 and that could mean 10 different COP.
if a students miss out just by 1 mark that will be zero chance.[/quote]I think many will disagree that students who don’t usually score 100, then there is no point in crying, because every student has their own dream school and all are equally worried they cannot meet the AL COP. So every mark still counts.
Earlier you were saying “wider choice”. So I am reminding you that under tscore, one can fill up 6 choices with any schools they like and whose COP is near, after all COP does fluctuate from year to year and ultimately choices are just as wide. In fact, under AL Banding if a school’s COP is AL9, and one scores AL9 (meets the COP), there’s no guarantee that you can get in. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044592\" time=\"1635860350\" user_id=\"17023:
Yes, that is correct! Hurry, sign up for more tuitions! MOE already said there will be difficult math questions.[/quote]Some difficult math questions can be solved by logic, not tuition. I have seen kids with no tuition solving such questions easily; and on the contrary for others, no matter how much tuition cannot means cannot.
highest score is AL4 and certainly don't need to ballot..Even AL5 should be safe too.Veyron\" post_id=\"2044590\" time=\"1635859990\" user_id=\"30663:
[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2044565 time=1635852016 user_id=195250]
To be fair, students with the highest score should be able to get into their dream schools just like a hardworking staff should get his promotion. If there are only 10 places left in a school with 15 students fighting for the places, the selection criteria should be their exam result not their luck by balloting. In Chinese, we say \"技不如人，
輸得心服口服\" if the losers are having a lower score than the winners. -
AHsDad\" post_id=\"2044586\" time=\"1635858532\" user_id=\"172457:
I feel the same, it’s “for kids to challenge themselves and not others. New AL scoring, though not perfect, is a move in the right direction.” It’s never a tool to stop crying. Crying itself is a good thing, it relives one’s stresses and helps one to cope. I don’t see why we have to look at it with a negative connotation.
No student (and parent) who gets eg AL6 should ever feel superior to another student who gets same AL6 because the true score will never be known. Balloting is among equals.
Personally, I think the gov intent makes sense, ie for kids to challenge themselves and not others. New AL scoring, though not perfect, is a move in the right direction.
Just my 2 cents
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lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044602\" time=\"1635862170\" user_id=\"17023:
What I am saying applies to parents too. e.g. There are parents who can quietly accept the fact that their child math is averaging AL3 to AL4 in school tests and exams, but cry foul when their child is unable to solve 1 or 2 more difficult questions during the national exams, losing say 5 to 6 marks our of 100. For that reason, they turn around to accuse MOE of being insensitive etc. even when MOE already explain that PSLE papers are designed for a wide range of students with different learning abilities, which include GEPers. And that is why every year there will be a few more challenging questions that require students to think out of the box.
I think many will disagree that students who don’t usually score 100, then there is no point in crying, because every student has their own dream school and all are equally worried they cannot meet the AL COP. So every mark still counts.
Earlier you were saying “wider choice”. So I am reminding you that under tscore, one can fill up 6 choices with any schools they like and whose COP is near, after all COP does fluctuate from year to year and ultimately choices are just as wide. In fact, under AL Banding if a school’s COP is AL9, and one scores AL9 (meets the COP), there’s no guarantee that you can get in.
Under the T-score, a student will usually have to select school choice based on the range of COP which are +/-2 points from PSLE t-score results. However under AL system, the range will be much wider. To give you an illustration.
e.g. if a school has AL13 COP, the estimated range of PSLE t-score result that qualify for AL13 school will be from 217 to 240. e.g. under t-score system, the school actual COP could be 230, which mean a student with 220 or even 225 t-score will have no reason to include a 230 COP school in their school choices. But under AL system, its now possible and they have equal chance as a 240 students to get into the same school. -
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2044611\" time=\"1635867644\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2044611 time=1635867644 user_id=58173]
PSLE is the P6es first ever experience sitting for national exams and coupled by puberty etc, its not uncommon to see some students feeling emotional during exams.AHsDad\" post_id=\"2044586\" time=\"1635858532\" user_id=\"172457:
I feel the same, it’s “for kids to challenge themselves and not others. New AL scoring, though not perfect, is a move in the right direction.” It’s never a tool to stop crying. Crying itself is a good thing, it relives one’s stresses and helps one to cope. I don’t see why we have to look at it with a negative connotation.[/quote]No student (and parent) who gets eg AL6 should ever feel superior to another student who gets same AL6 because the true score will never be known. Balloting is among equals.
Personally, I think the gov intent makes sense, ie for kids to challenge themselves and not others. New AL scoring, though not perfect, is a move in the right direction.
Just my 2 cents🏼 -
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2044610\" time=\"1635867281\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2044610 time=1635867281 user_id=58173]
Some difficult math questions can be solved by logic, not tuition. I have seen kids with no tuition solving such questions easily; and on the contrary for others, no matter how much tuition cannot means cannot.[/quote]Good for these children as they have the gift.lee_yl\" post_id=\"2044592\" time=\"1635860350\" user_id=\"17023:
Yes, that is correct! Hurry, sign up for more tuitions! MOE already said there will be difficult math questions.
highest score is AL4 and certainly don't need to ballot..Even AL5 should be safe too.
Well, but that is not the main point I want to bring across. If under the new system, MOE said there will be difficult maths questions, parents will still continue to send children to tuition. And for those who aim to score AL4 or AL5 to be guaranteed a place in their choice of school, most if not all, will still have to continue going for tuition/enrichment. It does not apply to math alone, it also applies to other subjects like Chinese as it’s not easy to get AL1 for Chinese.
Maths can be solved by logic by a talented few, but for most of us who are not endowed with the gift, we need someone to show us the way. -
Just relating to the crying over the exam/results…one dd will do that and as parent we just need to tell our kid to be brave to accept whatever consequences and learn from it. I told dd cannot cry and I think no more crying now.
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