2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)
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SG_KP1\" post_id=\"2047004\" time=\"1637324370\" user_id=\"188234:
Good read. All the best!
A good read for those who are waiting for and collecting results next week. Good luck!
https://www.schoolbag.edu.sg/story/psle-parents-this-is-how-you-ace-results-day -
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2047011\" time=\"1637326220\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2047011 time=1637326220 user_id=58173]
Both RGS and NYGH took in up to 30% DSA. Those who DSA not through academic like sport may not have good psle result. IP program is meant for students in the top 10%, tscore above 250. If u compare students in 250 + to those 260+ which both RGS and NYGH have, still OK. The problem started with those students not supposed to be in IP, but because both RGS and NYGH are pure IP. My DD class had 2 DSA through sport, think 1 of them psle is like 240+, broke down several time in class when receiving result from test and exam, considering sec 1 is honeymoon year.CCK2008\" post_id=\"2046979\" time=\"1637308934\" user_id=\"26004:Hi CCk,
Perhaps there’ll be a separate list for partner JCs. That list posted by chief is for affiliation, it is accurate.
I don’t know where you get your numbers from, but I must say that it is rare for RGS, almost all of them move on to their partner JC. Some of them would have gone overseas.
Many years ago, both schools used to transfer these students out in sec 3, but now no more, if there is necessarity, they will have an o level class in sec 3 onwards to cater to these students, typically 5% of cohort.
I have 2 DD, eldest in RGS sec 3, younger last year psle, this year finished sec 1 in NYGH. Always heard their argument why their school is better, like facilities, president scholars, sport achievement and even canteen food. From what I see, both schools are pretty similar, 12 classes in each cohort. Differences maybe RGS spread s all the GEP students across all classes, but NYGH keeps their GEP and elective programs to 4 classes. And only mix them up in sec 3. Another observation is that there are more Indian students in RGS, whereas very few Indians and Malays in NYGH. -
CCK2008\" post_id=\"2047067\" time=\"1637383780\" user_id=\"26004:
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2047011\" time=\"1637326220\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2047011 time=1637326220 user_id=58173]
Both RGS and NYGH took in up to 30% DSA. Those who DSA not through academic like sport may not have good psle result. IP program is meant for students in the top 10%, tscore above 250. If u compare students in 250 + to those 260+ which both RGS and NYGH have, still OK. The problem started with those students not supposed to be in IP, but because both RGS and NYGH are pure IP. My DD class had 2 DSA through sport, think 1 of them psle is like 240+, broke down several time in class when receiving result from test and exam, considering sec 1 is honeymoon year.
Many years ago, both schools used to transfer these students out in sec 3, but now no more, if there is necessarity, they will have an o level class in sec 3 onwards to cater to these students, typically 5% of cohort.
I have 2 DD, eldest in RGS sec 3, younger last year psle, this year finished sec 1 in NYGH. Always heard their argument why their school is better, like facilities, president scholars, sport achievement and even canteen food. From what I see, both schools are pretty similar, 12 classes in each cohort. Differences maybe RGS spread s all the GEP students across all classes, but NYGH keeps their GEP and elective programs to 4 classes. And only mix them up in sec 3. Another observation is that there are more Indian students in RGS, whereas very few Indians and Malays in NYGH.Hi CCK,
Again, your arguments are based on Hear-say? .. you will be spreading false news, if you can’t prove it. Where did you get your numbers from that there are 20+ kids each year who went on to do Olevels? And there are O level classes in sec 3? Are you referring to NGYH or RGS? They are different schools and you should not lump them together.
Quoting you, “The problem started when…” and “may not have good psle results if DSA through sports”, these are your judgement and opinion of the system. They are not facts that such kids exist in every single cohort. And in all schools, other schools, this may also happen.
I believe most of the DSA students have had good academic prelim results, even if they DSA through sports. It may not be foolproof, but you must trust that teachers/admissions will not admit your child if they think your child will crumble and fall. Have some faith!
Again, which school are you referring to when your DD has a classmate who got in w 240+ and broke down in class? Again, which school is it that you said there is an o level class in sec 3 onwards to cater to these students, typically 5% of cohort? Please be clear on which school and try not to spread false information. It is a CRIME!! hahaz! You may substantiate with links or notices from the schools, if you have.
Your observation that there are more ethic diversity in RGS than in NYGH is not a surprise. This is because NYGH as a SAP school, do not offer Malay or Tamil language like in RGS. In addition, at NYGH, you are expected to love and embrace the Chinese culture and push yourself to do your best in (higher) Chinese. Are you expecting a lot of people who are not Chinese to love the Chinese culture? Does it make sense now?
As a parent, tell your children that the schools are not the same. Why compare apples to oranges. You eat the fruit that you fancy and be contented. -
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2047099\" time=\"1637409266\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2047099 time=1637409266 user_id=58173]
Hi CCK,CCK2008\" post_id=\"2047067\" time=\"1637383780\" user_id=\"26004:
Both RGS and NYGH took in up to 30% DSA. Those who DSA not through academic like sport may not have good psle result. IP program is meant for students in the top 10%, tscore above 250. If u compare students in 250 + to those 260+ which both RGS and NYGH have, still OK. The problem started with those students not supposed to be in IP, but because both RGS and NYGH are pure IP. My DD class had 2 DSA through sport, think 1 of them psle is like 240+, broke down several time in class when receiving result from test and exam, considering sec 1 is honeymoon year.[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2047011 time=1637326220 user_id=58173]
Hi CCk,
Perhaps there’ll be a separate list for partner JCs. That list posted by chief is for affiliation, it is accurate.
I don’t know where you get your numbers from, but I must say that it is rare for RGS, almost all of them move on to their partner JC. Some of them would have gone overseas.
Many years ago, both schools used to transfer these students out in sec 3, but now no more, if there is necessarity, they will have an o level class in sec 3 onwards to cater to these students, typically 5% of cohort.
I have 2 DD, eldest in RGS sec 3, younger last year psle, this year finished sec 1 in NYGH. Always heard their argument why their school is better, like facilities, president scholars, sport achievement and even canteen food. From what I see, both schools are pretty similar, 12 classes in each cohort. Differences maybe RGS spread s all the GEP students across all classes, but NYGH keeps their GEP and elective programs to 4 classes. And only mix them up in sec 3. Another observation is that there are more Indian students in RGS, whereas very few Indians and Malays in NYGH.[/quote]
Again, your arguments are based on Hear-say? .. you will be spreading false news, if you can’t prove it. Where did you get your numbers from that there are 20+ kids each year who went on to do Olevels? And there are O level classes in sec 3? Are you referring to NGYH or RGS? They are different schools and you should not lump them together.
Quoting you, “The problem started when…” and “may not have good psle results if DSA through sports”, these are your judgement and opinion of the system. They are not facts that such kids exist in every single cohort. And in all schools, other schools, this may also happen.
I believe most of the DSA students have had good academic prelim results, even if they DSA through sports. It may not be foolproof, but you must trust that teachers/admissions will not admit your child if they think your child will crumble and fall. Have some faith!
Again, which school are you referring to when your DD has a classmate who got in w 240+ and broke down in class? Again, which school is it that you said there is an o level class in sec 3 onwards to cater to these students, typically 5% of cohort? Please be clear on which school and try not to spread false information. It is a CRIME!! hahaz! You may substantiate with links or notices from the schools, if you have.
Your observation that there are more ethic diversity in RGS than in NYGH is not a surprise. This is because NYGH as a SAP school, do not offer Malay or Tamil language like in RGS. In addition, at NYGH, you are expected to love and embrace the Chinese culture and push yourself to do your best in (higher) Chinese. Are you expecting a lot of people who are not Chinese to love the Chinese culture? Does it make sense now?
As a parent, tell your children that the schools are not the same. Why compare apples to oranges. You eat the fruit that you fancy and be contented.[/quote]When school took in DSA through sport, it is based on assessment from coaches from respective CCA, based on talent. I am not sure if the schools did make assessment of their result, but as far as I knew, if the student is offered by the school, and the student accepted, and if his or her psle is above 200, then there is no issue with the DSA admission.
I just clarified with my elder DD, in RGS if u failed to meet GPA requirement (set at 60%), u will be retained in sec 4 and repeat 1 year, still failed again, u will be out. In NYGH, u will go into SIP, structured IP, which is actually O level. Nygh uses MSG and set at 65% for promotion in sec 4. The school has actually weed out the weaker students into SIP, so all actually met the grade into HCJC.
I am not to say that they will eventually drop off to do o level, but some did so. However, a good no of them went on to the partner JC.
To inform u, nygh offered Malay special program in house, and from what I knew from elder DD, Chinese students in RGS takes HCL, although in nygh it is default.
Indeed, my DD does have a classmate who dsa in through basketball and my DD did tell me her psle score is 240+. But does not mean she will eventually do o level as still in sec 1 going sec 2. -
CCK2008\" post_id=\"2047111\" time=\"1637415368\" user_id=\"26004:
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2047099\" time=\"1637409266\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2047099 time=1637409266 user_id=58173]
When school took in DSA through sport, it is based on assessment from coaches from respective CCA, based on talent. I am not sure if the schools did make assessment of their result, but as far as I knew, if the student is offered by the school, and the student accepted, and if his or her psle is above 200, then there is no issue with the DSA admission.
I am not to say that they will eventually drop off to do o level, but some did so. However, a good no of them went on to the partner JC.
To inform u, nygh offered Malay special program in house, and from what I knew from elder DD, Chinese students in RGS takes HCL, although in nygh it is default.
Indeed, my DD does have a classmate who dsa in through basketball and my DD did tell me her psle score is 240+. But does not mean she will eventually do o level as still in sec 1 going sec 2.Hi CCK,
Hope you can be clearer on your communication, instead of calling out 2 of the top schools out at the same time.
Firstly, we don’t know for sure how DSA (non-academic) selection is made. Secondly, do you really know there are 20+ candidates who don’t do well academically each year and that it is largely due to DSA? Mind you, selection and DSA into these 2 schools is stringent, it is not an easy task.
Majority of the students goes to their partner JC. This is their aim, especially for pure IP schools.
Please do not be confused. Malay Special Programme (MSP) is a Malay language programme for students whose Mother Tongue Language is NOT Malay. Students must not have taken Malay or Higher Malay at PSLE. It is not the same as the Malay language.
Just to inform you as well. So you shouldn’t be so surprised. The girls in RGS can choose to take Chinese or higher Chinese as they wish, it is not compulsory like in NYGH. RGS also offers Malay/Tamil and higher Malay/Tamil as well.
So the student who DSA and broke down in class is a sec 1 classmate of your DD from NYGH. Maybe just stress. You don’t have to correlate it to ability. Who knows by year 4, she will outperform many others. -
CCK2008\" post_id=\"2047111\" time=\"1637415368\" user_id=\"26004:
I saw that you edited your post with this paragraph.
I just clarified with my elder DD, in RGS if u failed to meet GPA requirement (set at 60%), u will be retained in sec 4 and repeat 1 year, still failed again, u will be out. In NYGH, u will go into SIP, structured IP, which is actually O level. Nygh uses MSG and set at 65% for promotion in sec 4. The school has actually weed out the weaker students into SIP, so all actually met the grade into HCJC.
Please clarify with your kids and school, before you post next time. There is no O-levels in RGS. And the GPA of 60% is relatively achievable, as 80% is a full 4.0 GPA.
I cannot speak for NYGH as I don’t have a child there. Someone else will have to verify your post. (Although it sounds legit). -
CCK2008\" post_id=\"2047111\" time=\"1637415368\" user_id=\"26004:
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2047099\" time=\"1637409266\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2047099 time=1637409266 user_id=58173]
When school took in DSA through sport, it is based on assessment from coaches from respective CCA, based on talent. I am not sure if the schools did make assessment of their result, but as far as I knew, if the student is offered by the school, and the student accepted, and if his or her psle is above 200, then there is no issue with the DSA admission.
I just clarified with my elder DD, in RGS if u failed to meet GPA requirement (set at 60%), u will be retained in sec 4 and repeat 1 year, still failed again, u will be out. In NYGH, u will go into SIP, structured IP, which is actually O level. Nygh uses MSG and set at 65% for promotion in sec 4. The school has actually weed out the weaker students into SIP, so all actually met the grade into HCJC.
I am not to say that they will eventually drop off to do o level, but some did so. However, a good no of them went on to the partner JC.
To inform u, nygh offered Malay special program in house, and from what I knew from elder DD, Chinese students in RGS takes HCL, although in nygh it is default.
Indeed, my DD does have a classmate who dsa in through basketball and my DD did tell me her psle score is 240+. But does not mean she will eventually do o level as still in sec 1 going sec 2.Same exact understanding as CCK on NYG based on my kids. -
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2047118\" time=\"1637419461\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2047118 time=1637419461 user_id=58173]
I remember when I attended RGS DSA briefing a few years back, the statistic given was less than 30 has exited RGS since the introduction of IP program in RGS. Not 20+ per year definitely.CCK2008\" post_id=\"2047111\" time=\"1637415368\" user_id=\"26004:I saw that you edited your post with this paragraph.
Please clarify with your kids and school, before you post next time. There is no O-levels in RGS. And the GPA of 60% is relatively achievable, as 80% is a full 4.0 GPA.
I cannot speak for NYGH as I don’t have a child there. Someone else will have to verify your post. (Although it sounds legit). -
Swc\" post_id=\"2047172\" time=\"1637469200\" user_id=\"178585:
Regarding IP dropout rate, ST reported that roughly around 6% of 4000 IP students exit the program midway through. That’s about 240 per year.
I remember when I attended RGS DSA briefing a few years back, the statistic given was less than 30 has exited RGS since the introduction of IP program in RGS. Not 20+ per year definitely.
If RGS has only fewer than 30 IP dropouts in history since the introduction of IP, ohh…. then it’s a pretty amazing achievement -
CCK2008\" post_id=\"2047111\" time=\"1637415368\" user_id=\"26004:
Zeal mummy\" post_id=\"2047099\" time=\"1637409266\" user_id=\"58173:[quote=\"Zeal mummy\" post_id=2047099 time=1637409266 user_id=58173]
When school took in DSA through sport, it is based on assessment from coaches from respective CCA, based on talent. I am not sure if the schools did make assessment of their result, but as far as I knew, if the student is offered by the school, and the student accepted, and if his or her psle is above 200, then there is no issue with the DSA admission.
I just clarified with my elder DD, in RGS if u failed to meet GPA requirement (set at 60%), u will be retained in sec 4 and repeat 1 year, still failed again, u will be out. In NYGH, u will go into SIP, structured IP, which is actually O level. Nygh uses MSG and set at 65% for promotion in sec 4. The school has actually weed out the weaker students into SIP, so all actually met the grade into HCJC.
I am not to say that they will eventually drop off to do o level, but some did so. However, a good no of them went on to the partner JC.
To inform u, nygh offered Malay special program in house, and from what I knew from elder DD, Chinese students in RGS takes HCL, although in nygh it is default.
Indeed, my DD does have a classmate who dsa in through basketball and my DD did tell me her psle score is 240+. But does not mean she will eventually do o level as still in sec 1 going sec 2.
Indeed this opinion and observation seems rather misleading and lopsided. It is about time parents and students alike adopt a growth mindset and accept that every child who has managed to get into the school (especially IP school) has earned the spot based on his or her merit, whether by psle score or their dsa talents. Today’s dsa system is much more robust and the selection panel has also fine tuned their selection process over the years. If parents continue to think that their own kids who went in by psle score are “better” than their counterparts who went in by dsa, their kids will form that impression too and inevitably only look out for classmates who fit that image in their class. Today’s society is much more vibrant and there are many pathways to success, we have to teach our children to adopt an open mind and learn from others who have successfully earn a spot by their own means, and not just to rely on the good old method of entry selection, ie only academic results. We have to change with the times in order to equip our children with updated ideas and beliefs.
Edited to add:
A successful (present day) entrepreneur Jack Ma of Alibaba once said this - I told my son: you don’t need to be in the top three in your class, being in the middle is fine, so long as your grades aren’t too bad. Only this kind of person [a middle-of-the-road student] has enough free time to learn other skills.
Let’s move with the times and impart the right mindset to our children. And open their eyes to the brand new world that they are living in.
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