2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)
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okie\" post_id=\"2048462\" time=\"1637854383\" user_id=\"44307:
NJC COP for 2020 was 254 or AL7. Under AL system, AL8 can go as low as 247 if there is an AL5 subject in the mix.Veyron\" post_id=\"2048400\" time=\"1637847975\" user_id=\"30663:
[quote=infinitz post_id=2048398 time=1637847503 user_id=143949]My son got 8(P) and we stay in the west. No chance for NJC?
Very low chance for NJC partly also due to its centralized location.
In the west, better choose RVHS
Just wondering, how do u know AL8 can be as low as 247? The lowest permutation i can get is 251 (65 + 90 + 90 + 90 )/4*3[/quote]your 3/4 raw to tscore conversion is incorrect -
iRabbit\" post_id=\"2048461\" time=\"1637854356\" user_id=\"51587:
I came up with a simpler example.
Yours is a tricky scenario. It would have been easier for me if School A and B are actual school names so that I don’t have to keep recalling which one is SAP and which is not.brfish\" post_id=\"2048447\" time=\"1637852916\" user_id=\"102306:
How does the tie breaker work exactly?
I understand how the sequence and everything. But that's in single school situation. How does it work when there are multiple students and multiple schools?
Let's say there are two students, Joe Al 8D and Jill AL 8M. There are two schools, A and B, each with 1 seat left. A is SAP school and B is not. Joe and Jill are the only people competing for the last seat.
Joe's choices are:
1. RI (COP 6 so he didn't get in)
2. School B
3. School A
Jill's choices are:
1. School A
2. School B
From school A perspective, Joe is ahead with D in HCL. From school B perspective, both students are the same so need to ballot.
So will Joe places into A first, then Jill gets into B without need to ballot. Or do they ballot for school B first, and the one not getting it go to School A?
Also note in this situation the COP for school A would be different...
My interpretation is that both will need to ballot for school B if 8M is not good enough for school A. Mabbe others can confirm my understanding as this scenario is slightly mind boggling.
Suppose two students, one local and one foreigner, competing for last seat in Dunman High and Victoria.
The foreigner has AL 8D and his choices are
1. Victoria IP
2. Dunman High
The local student has AL 8M and his choices are
1. Dunman High
2. Victoria
Who goes to which school?
From Dunman High perspective, 8D is better than 8M so 8D should get it. From Victoria perspective, local student has priority so the local student should get it.
Or, MOE can let both students go to their first choice and everyone is happy -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2048280\" time=\"1637828112\" user_id=\"30663:
hi thanks for your quick reply. You raised a very good point regarding the COP for St Nic affiliation. Is it advantageous or disadvantageous in your opinion? As I know, 10~15% of top performers from O program might have the chance to be transferred to IP at the end of Sec2. If the COP is so low for those from afficliated, my DD might have a higher chance to get transferred? How do you feel?
AL8(D) is still ahead of AL8 and AL8 (M). So the chance should be highAngelahaha79\" post_id=\"2048270\" time=\"1637826244\" user_id=\"129267:
Hi all wise mommies and daddies out there, my DD has got 8+D and we stay at east. How high is our chance of getting into Dunman High? the cut-off point for Dunman is exactly 8+D. sigh...
Also, with regards to our second choice, would you recommend a 2nd tier IP school like TJC or O program from a 1st tier school, like St. Nicholas? what are the pros and cons between these 2 options that we need to bear in mind before coming into a decision?
Personally, I would go with TJC (AL9) or even SCGS instead of St Nich- O-level because at St Nic o-level affiliation COP is very low. -
iRabbit\" post_id=\"2048461\" time=\"1637854356\" user_id=\"51587:
I am not 100% sure, but as per my understanding, you are correct.
Yours is a tricky scenario. It would have been easier for me if School A and B are actual school names so that I don’t have to keep recalling which one is SAP and which is not.brfish\" post_id=\"2048447\" time=\"1637852916\" user_id=\"102306:
How does the tie breaker work exactly?
I understand how the sequence and everything. But that's in single school situation. How does it work when there are multiple students and multiple schools?
Let's say there are two students, Joe Al 8D and Jill AL 8M. There are two schools, A and B, each with 1 seat left. A is SAP school and B is not. Joe and Jill are the only people competing for the last seat.
Joe's choices are:
1. RI (COP 6 so he didn't get in)
2. School B
3. School A
Jill's choices are:
1. School A
2. School B
From school A perspective, Joe is ahead with D in HCL. From school B perspective, both students are the same so need to ballot.
So will Joe places into A first, then Jill gets into B without need to ballot. Or do they ballot for school B first, and the one not getting it go to School A?
Also note in this situation the COP for school A would be different...
My interpretation is that both will need to ballot for school B if 8M is not good enough for school A. Mabbe others can confirm my understanding as this scenario is slightly mind boggling.
It is because Joe listed School B as 2nd choice then he has to ballot with Jill for a place in School B. I mean, the system has to honor Joe's wish by giving him the chance of getting into school B before moving on to his 3rd choice.
From Jill's perspective, although she picked School A as first choice, since school A is SAP school, system has to prioritize AL8(D) before allocating AL8(M). Hence, Jill can't be assigned to School A before system knows the fate of Joe.
I can be wrong though. -
brfish\" post_id=\"2048447\" time=\"1637852916\" user_id=\"102306:
My guess is, since Joe and Jill are the only 2 people competing for the last seat in School A and School B, their AL score will define the COP for school for the year.
How does the tie breaker work exactly?
I understand how the sequence and everything. But that's in single school situation. How does it work when there are multiple students and multiple schools?
Let's say there are two students, Joe Al 8D and Jill AL 8M. There are two schools, A and B, each with 1 seat left. A is SAP school and B is not. Joe and Jill are the only people competing for the last seat.
Joe's choices are:
1. RI (COP 6 so he didn't get in)
2. School B
3. School A
Jill's choices are:
1. School A
2. School B
From school A perspective, Joe is ahead with D in HCL. From school B perspective, both students are the same so need to ballot.
So will Joe places into A first, then Jill gets into B without need to ballot. Or do they ballot for school B first, and the one not getting it go to School A?
Also note in this situation the COP for school A would be different...
Jill AL 8(M), School A 1st choice, will get in School A first. COP for School A = 8(M) for the year.
Joe AL 8, who chooses School B before School A, will get in School B, and COP for School B = 8 for the year. -
Hi, My DD did really well in math, and expected a better AL. We are thinking of filing for a review/appeal.
1. Do you think it is worth it?
2. By what date should we file the appeal?
(Reference : https://www.ifaq.gov.sg/seab/apps/fcd_faqmain.aspx?qst=hRhkP9BzcBImsx2TBbssMsxu7lqt6UJK70a1wAEVmyfdSZlp3kC3qEU1uwdD2zxBC8h26bwjs%2FIwvamUXpJQllIbGr3zfx%2Fg6R5G3kQwdaBqrmc6VVtGVreSd34s3fzQffAc3pLh5P0kZUHSR8U882cMKpyDOkutRs8WWnkwDfKJm2HarZST7HyOHgFjsjF0gu0GITQvxo4FcsAQZyKl%2FbZPo%2FgY3XAvxDpudJBJGc4%3D#FAQ_2110331 -
brfish\" post_id=\"2048465\" time=\"1637855626\" user_id=\"102306:
I came up with a simpler example.
Yours is a tricky scenario. It would have been easier for me if School A and B are actual school names so that I don’t have to keep recalling which one is SAP and which is not.iRabbit\" post_id=\"2048461\" time=\"1637854356\" user_id=\"51587:
[quote=brfish post_id=2048447 time=1637852916 user_id=102306]How does the tie breaker work exactly?
I understand how the sequence and everything. But that's in single school situation. How does it work when there are multiple students and multiple schools?
Let's say there are two students, Joe Al 8D and Jill AL 8M. There are two schools, A and B, each with 1 seat left. A is SAP school and B is not. Joe and Jill are the only people competing for the last seat.
Joe's choices are:
1. RI (COP 6 so he didn't get in)
2. School B
3. School A
Jill's choices are:
1. School A
2. School B
From school A perspective, Joe is ahead with D in HCL. From school B perspective, both students are the same so need to ballot.
So will Joe places into A first, then Jill gets into B without need to ballot. Or do they ballot for school B first, and the one not getting it go to School A?
Also note in this situation the COP for school A would be different...
My interpretation is that both will need to ballot for school B if 8M is not good enough for school A. Mabbe others can confirm my understanding as this scenario is slightly mind boggling.
Suppose two students, one local and one foreigner, competing for last seat in Dunman High and Victoria.
The foreigner has AL 8D and his choices are
1. Victoria IP
2. Dunman High
The local student has AL 8M and his choices are
1. Dunman High
2. Victoria
Who goes to which school?
From Dunman High perspective, 8D is better than 8M so 8D should get it. From Victoria perspective, local student has priority so the local student should get it.
Or, MOE can let both students go to their first choice and everyone is happy[/quote]In this case, I think local student will be posted to Victoria IP and Foreign Student posted to Dunman High. Seems odd based on the respective orderings but I think the algo will need to rank all students at each school they list as the first cut. Then, a student's choice will matter only if they are indeed eligible for both (which they are not in this case due to only 1 spot remaining). But I am not 100% sure. -
brfish\" post_id=\"2048465\" time=\"1637855626\" user_id=\"102306:
I came up with a simpler example.
Yours is a tricky scenario. It would have been easier for me if School A and B are actual school names so that I don’t have to keep recalling which one is SAP and which is not.iRabbit\" post_id=\"2048461\" time=\"1637854356\" user_id=\"51587:
[quote=brfish post_id=2048447 time=1637852916 user_id=102306]How does the tie breaker work exactly?
I understand how the sequence and everything. But that's in single school situation. How does it work when there are multiple students and multiple schools?
Let's say there are two students, Joe Al 8D and Jill AL 8M. There are two schools, A and B, each with 1 seat left. A is SAP school and B is not. Joe and Jill are the only people competing for the last seat.
Joe's choices are:
1. RI (COP 6 so he didn't get in)
2. School B
3. School A
Jill's choices are:
1. School A
2. School B
From school A perspective, Joe is ahead with D in HCL. From school B perspective, both students are the same so need to ballot.
So will Joe places into A first, then Jill gets into B without need to ballot. Or do they ballot for school B first, and the one not getting it go to School A?
Also note in this situation the COP for school A would be different...
My interpretation is that both will need to ballot for school B if 8M is not good enough for school A. Mabbe others can confirm my understanding as this scenario is slightly mind boggling.
Suppose two students, one local and one foreigner, competing for last seat in Dunman High and Victoria.
The foreigner has AL 8D and his choices are
1. Victoria IP
2. Dunman High
The local student has AL 8M and his choices are
1. Dunman High
2. Victoria
Who goes to which school?
From Dunman High perspective, 8D is better than 8M so 8D should get it. From Victoria perspective, local student has priority so the local student should get it.
Or, MOE can let both students go to their first choice and everyone is happy[/quote]Feels that this is simpler.
Foreigner will get into Dunman High, and local student will get into Victoria IP.
Thoughts:
* From Victoria perspective: 2 AL8 students (foreigner with 1st choice v local with 2nd choice) -- local get in first.
* From Dunman perspective: AL8D beats AL8M. Foreigner will get in based on merit.
* No balloting required
Imagine the case in which the local student gets into Dunman High with AL8(M) . This means system will not be consistent, since based on merit, AL8(D) beats AL8(M). The AL8(D) may appeal, when COP of Dunman High is released to be AL8(M). -
CCK2008\" post_id=\"2048234\" time=\"1637822227\" user_id=\"26004:
Actually the offer for ESIS is under section C of the same form as the selection of school, it will only appear on the form for those students who are in the top 3%. The form is structured in this way:
I see, so the eligibility for the scholarship is only offered on psle results day. I understand about the DSA part. i was just thinking if it could be due to the fact that it's being offered to DSA students posted to independent schools First cos they r confirmed going into indep schools. As for the cut off, do they merely look at AL5/6 or the raw scores?jkorompis\" post_id=\"2048212\" time=\"1637818200\" user_id=\"193874:
[quote=Luxedream post_id=2047985 time=1637771077 user_id=98340]
If the child is eligible for ESIS, the child will be informed on PSLE results day, NOT upon posting to independent school. The part about DSA is just saying that regardless whether the child enters the independent school via S1 posting or DSA, the child will be eligible for ESIS as long as the results meet the ESIS cut off.
Section A: selection choices for 6 sec school
Section B: Option for third language (only appear for cohort top 10%)
Section
Option for ESIS (only appear for cohort top 3%)[/quote]Yes I do know ESIS is on the same form received as my DD has been offered and she is DSA student as well. I was just not sure if others posted to independent schools may receive later after S1 posting. Apparently many parents here have explained its only given out on same form on PSLE day, regardless of whether the kid already knew about where he/she is being posted to (indep or not)
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CCK2008\" post_id=\"2048414\" time=\"1637849746\" user_id=\"26004:
St Nicks has 5 IP classes currently.
Can try. Look at history, cop for RGS and NYGH always took turn to be no 1. So sometimes RGS had higher cop, sometimes it was NYGH. That is why they are top 2 schools, cop are generally higher than their male counterparts. One advantage is that both had 12 classes, cohort size is large, can be up to 400 per cohort, but usually about 380.siokhoon\" post_id=\"2048368\" time=\"1637843059\" user_id=\"122732:
My girl has AL6M, am thinking of this order:
1. RGS (COP = 6)
2. NYG (COP = 7M)
3. St Nick IP (COP = 7M)
4. NJC (COP = 7)
5. SCGS (COP =
6. Dunman / Cedar Girl (COP =
She is only interested in RGS so though chance of balloting is high, I think should at least try. And I am prepared that NYG will also have no chance.
Will she be safe for St Nick / NJC?
However for st nick ip and njc, cohort size is small, maybe 4 classes ip in st nick and 6 or 7 classes in Njc. They are also popular schools, putting them at 3rd or 4th position there is a risk they had filled up in 1st and 2nd choice, even you have AL6.
Just note that popular schools will get filled up in 1st or 2nd choice. You also need to look at cohort size. Also note that both rgs and nygh can take in 30% DSA. More than other schools as they are popular with DSA students from GEP, bilingual etc.
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