2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)
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ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2048837\" time=\"1637941150\" user_id=\"3:
Thank you Chief, for maintaining the integrity of information shared on this site!
Seriously, Veyron, we all know how you believe AL scores are related to t-scores, but the fact is, t-scores are the past and people are all trying to get used to AL scores. Discussing the relationship between t-scores and AL-scores, well, that's really chim, but also really pointless. Will knowing the relationship bring some special insight to people trying to get their kids into the best secondary schools? So what if a \"257 AL6\" ranks ahead of \"259+2\"? How will knowing that help get my kid into his desired school? I fail to see the point of linking AL scores to t-scores.Veyron\" post_id=\"2048818\" time=\"1637938291\" user_id=\"30663:
NYGH COP for 2020 was 261 AL7(M), which is why I have indicated its 259+2
Why 259 is not AL6? That is just that because AL7 score range can be as high as 275 if AL1 subject are in the high 90s.
Will that all change for 2021? That is highlight possible because a 257 AL6 is now rank ahead of 259+2
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Anyone has views on choosing between Bukit Panjang Govt High and Swiss Cottage?
The two schools are nearby and have the same indicative AL cut-off (11)
Swiss in the past was a 23x COP school but has gained popularity over the years and slowly rose to 24x COP. It seem very popular amongst the kids too as I hear a lot of them aiming for this school.
BP has a good reputation and used to be high 24x COP and seem to have dropped a bit in popularity.
Which one is a better choice? -
soloestoy\" post_id=\"2048866\" time=\"1637972498\" user_id=\"56690:
I have asked this qn before in another thread, no answer.
Anyone has views on choosing between Bukit Panjang Govt High and Swiss Cottage?
The two schools are nearby and have the same indicative AL cut-off (11)
Swiss in the past was a 23x COP school but has gained popularity over the years and slowly rose to 24x COP. It seem very popular amongst the kids too as I hear a lot of them aiming for this school.
BP has a good reputation and used to be high 24x COP and seem to have dropped a bit in popularity.
Which one is a better choice?
Ask anyone living in the NW area, they will tell you both are very good schools. Couldnt get any more specific reviews.
Just pick the one which uniform your child orefers, or the one with direct bus, i suppose. -
ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2048837\" time=\"1637941150\" user_id=\"3:
Knowing the correlation between AL and 2020 T-score COP will help to assess the pool of students who will be vying for the same school with similar COP AL score.
Seriously, Veyron, we all know how you believe AL scores are related to t-scores, but the fact is, t-scores are the past and people are all trying to get used to AL scores. Discussing the relationship between t-scores and AL-scores, well, that's really chim, but also really pointless. Will knowing the relationship bring some special insight to people trying to get their kids into the best secondary schools? So what if a \"257 AL6\" ranks ahead of \"259+2\"? How will knowing that help get my kid into his desired school? I fail to see the point of linking AL scores to t-scores.Veyron\" post_id=\"2048818\" time=\"1637938291\" user_id=\"30663:
NYGH COP for 2020 was 261 AL7(M), which is why I have indicated its 259+2
Why 259 is not AL6? That is just that because AL7 score range can be as high as 275 if AL1 subject are in the high 90s.
Will that all change for 2021? That is highlight possible because a 257 AL6 is now rank ahead of 259+2
e.g. if COP for NYGH was 257+2 in 2020, and we know that the lowest possible t-score for AL6 is 258 (assuming MGS), then we can say that it is very possible for NYGH COP to bump up to AL6.
Why?
1) Possible 258 (AL6) students who have failed to get into NYGH last year are now placed higher than this year AL7(M).
2) 257 is not the lowest possible AL7 score, which mean, students with say 254+M will now be equal to 257+M
What this mean?
There will be a larger pool of students who meet and surpass the indicative COP of AL7(M). Whether they will choose NYGH or not, that I cant say.
At the top, the differences are very narrow, with only 5 raw score mark differences separating AL5, AL6 and AL7 minimum scores. However, when it comes to schools with > AL11 COP, the t-score or raw score range will be much wider.
In one of the earlier examples, a parent highlighted that Nan Chiau 2020 Indicative COP of (11M) and t-score COP 244 (perhaps 242+2) For those who are unfamiliar with how AL is related to the t-score (which is related to raw score) they may think that AL11 approx 242 and above.
However, when we examine the different permutations of AL11, you will find that the equivalent t-score for AL11 is averaging 235 and it can go as low as 224 due to possible AL5 and AL6 subjects. What this means is that there will be a much larger pool of students compared to 2020 vying for the same school with AL11 result
One possible mistake students may make in S1 posting this year is to assume the indicative COP of their 2nd, 3rd and 4th choice school will remain the same because their AL score is 1 or 2 points above the COP.
e.g. student with AL11
choice 1 - School A- AL10 COP
choice 2 - School B - AL11 COP
choice 3 - School C - AL12 COP
At first glance, we may think that this is a secured choice because choice 2 is AL11 and choice 3 is AL12.
However, there may be a possibility that
School A COP remain at AL10,
School B COP move to AL10 (or AL11 balloting for student with 1st choice)
School C has balloting at AL11.
So if School C is a very popular school, it's possible that putting the school as 3rd choice will affect the students chance.
Since MOE has already announced that there is an increase of 2.1% of the 2021 cohort moving up to express stream, we should be mindful that there will be a larger pool of student vying for S1 posting express stream. And the spike could be as great or greater than dragon year. -
MOE has mentioned that the actual COPs are expected to move up or down by 1.
The simplest way is to choose very carefully, similar to DSA, don’t put a school that you’re half-hearted in just because it’s an elite school, or just because your merit allowed you to. Then when you get stuck there, regret big time and try to get out. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2048868\" time=\"1637972828\" user_id=\"30663:
Knowing the correlation between AL and 2020 T-score COP will help to assess the pool of students who will be vying for the same school with similar COP AL score.
Seriously, Veyron, we all know how you believe AL scores are related to t-scores, but the fact is, t-scores are the past and people are all trying to get used to AL scores. Discussing the relationship between t-scores and AL-scores, well, that's really chim, but also really pointless. Will knowing the relationship bring some special insight to people trying to get their kids into the best secondary schools? So what if a \"257 AL6\" ranks ahead of \"259+2\"? How will knowing that help get my kid into his desired school? I fail to see the point of linking AL scores to t-scores.ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2048837\" time=\"1637941150\" user_id=\"3:
[quote=Veyron post_id=2048818 time=1637938291 user_id=30663]NYGH COP for 2020 was 261 AL7(M), which is why I have indicated its 259+2
Why 259 is not AL6? That is just that because AL7 score range can be as high as 275 if AL1 subject are in the high 90s.
Will that all change for 2021? That is highlight possible because a 257 AL6 is now rank ahead of 259+2
e.g. if COP for NYGH was 257+2 in 2020, and we know that the lowest possible t-score for AL6 is 258 (assuming MGS), then we can say that it is very possible for NYGH COP to bump up to AL6.
Why?
1) Possible 258 (AL6) students who have failed to get into NYGH last year are now placed higher than this year AL7(M).
2) 257 is not the lowest possible AL7 score, which mean, students with say 254+M will now be equal to 257+M
What this mean?
There will be a larger pool of students who meet and surpass the indicative COP of AL7(M). Whether they will choose NYGH or not, that I cant say.
At the top, the differences are very narrow, with only 5 raw score mark differences separating AL5, AL6 and AL7 minimum scores. However, when it comes to schools with > AL11 COP, the t-score or raw score range will be much wider.
In one of the earlier examples, a parent highlighted that Nan Chiau 2020 Indicative COP of (11M) and t-score COP 244 (perhaps 242+2) For those who are unfamiliar with how AL is related to the t-score (which is related to raw score) they may think that AL11 approx 242 and above.
However, when we examine the different permutations of AL11, you will find that the equivalent t-score for AL11 is averaging 235 and it can go as low as 224 due to possible AL5 and AL6 subjects. What this means is that there will be a much larger pool of students compared to 2020 vying for the same school with AL11 result
One possible mistake students may make in S1 posting this year is to assume the indicative COP of their 2nd, 3rd and 4th choice school will remain the same because their AL score is 1 or 2 points above the COP.
e.g. student with AL11
choice 1 - School A- AL10 COP
choice 2 - School B - AL11 COP
choice 3 - School C - AL12 COP
At first glance, we may think that this is a secured choice because choice 2 is AL11 and choice 3 is AL12.
However, there may be a possibility that
School A COP remain at AL10,
School B COP move to AL10 (or AL11 balloting for student with 1st choice)
School C has balloting at AL11.
So if School C is a very popular school, it's possible that putting the school as 3rd choice will affect the students chance.
Since MOE has already announced that there is an increase of 2.1% of the 2021 cohort moving up to express stream, we should be mindful that there will be a larger pool of student vying for S1 posting express stream. And the spike could be as great or greater than dragon year.[/quote]The increase for S1 posting express should be from decreasing C from 50 to 45 at AL6
So if we talk about AL18 or better, I think there will be little changed only.
If we talk about AL19-22, there may be bigger fluctuation. -
shaunee\" post_id=\"2048852\" time=\"1637946283\" user_id=\"56538:
There may be a good chance for MGS IP at AL7 as the new AL system may sway some potential AL6 applicants from MGS to RGS. In the past, if students doesn't get 259 and above, they will be less inclined to apply for RGS, but under AL system, 258 students will be eligible. FYI, the difference between 2020 MGS 258 AL6 and 257 AL7 is only 1 t-score. So it's definitely possible.
Hi, my girl has AL7 (no HCL) and we live in the west.
She is keen on IP and her first choice is MGS (IP). However, MGS (IP) has COP of 6.
What are the chances of getting in? Thanks in advance.
What is most important is your DD 2nd and 3rd choice. I would assume NJC and possible SCGS will be among them. -
soloestoy\" post_id=\"2048866\" time=\"1637972498\" user_id=\"56690:
BP is autonomous and Swiss is not? Or is Swiss also autonomous?
Anyone has views on choosing between Bukit Panjang Govt High and Swiss Cottage?
The two schools are nearby and have the same indicative AL cut-off (11)
Swiss in the past was a 23x COP school but has gained popularity over the years and slowly rose to 24x COP. It seem very popular amongst the kids too as I hear a lot of them aiming for this school.
BP has a good reputation and used to be high 24x COP and seem to have dropped a bit in popularity.
Which one is a better choice?
BP has a red uniform and is in the cck residential area. I dont know where is Swiss. Is accessibility the same for you, for both schools?
What about cca? -
m3i_m3i\" post_id=\"2048872\" time=\"1637974449\" user_id=\"18745:
The increase for S1 posting express should be from decreasing C from 50 to 45 at AL6
Knowing the correlation between AL and 2020 T-score COP will help to assess the pool of students who will be vying for the same school with similar COP AL score.Veyron\" post_id=\"2048868\" time=\"1637972828\" user_id=\"30663:
[quote=ChiefKiasu post_id=2048837 time=1637941150 user_id=3]
Seriously, Veyron, we all know how you believe AL scores are related to t-scores, but the fact is, t-scores are the past and people are all trying to get used to AL scores. Discussing the relationship between t-scores and AL-scores, well, that's really chim, but also really pointless. Will knowing the relationship bring some special insight to people trying to get their kids into the best secondary schools? So what if a \"257 AL6\" ranks ahead of \"259+2\"? How will knowing that help get my kid into his desired school? I fail to see the point of linking AL scores to t-scores.
e.g. if COP for NYGH was 257+2 in 2020, and we know that the lowest possible t-score for AL6 is 258 (assuming MGS), then we can say that it is very possible for NYGH COP to bump up to AL6.
Why?
1) Possible 258 (AL6) students who have failed to get into NYGH last year are now placed higher than this year AL7(M).
2) 257 is not the lowest possible AL7 score, which mean, students with say 254+M will now be equal to 257+M
What this mean?
There will be a larger pool of students who meet and surpass the indicative COP of AL7(M). Whether they will choose NYGH or not, that I cant say.
At the top, the differences are very narrow, with only 5 raw score mark differences separating AL5, AL6 and AL7 minimum scores. However, when it comes to schools with > AL11 COP, the t-score or raw score range will be much wider.
In one of the earlier examples, a parent highlighted that Nan Chiau 2020 Indicative COP of (11M) and t-score COP 244 (perhaps 242+2) For those who are unfamiliar with how AL is related to the t-score (which is related to raw score) they may think that AL11 approx 242 and above.
However, when we examine the different permutations of AL11, you will find that the equivalent t-score for AL11 is averaging 235 and it can go as low as 224 due to possible AL5 and AL6 subjects. What this means is that there will be a much larger pool of students compared to 2020 vying for the same school with AL11 result
One possible mistake students may make in S1 posting this year is to assume the indicative COP of their 2nd, 3rd and 4th choice school will remain the same because their AL score is 1 or 2 points above the COP.
e.g. student with AL11
choice 1 - School A- AL10 COP
choice 2 - School B - AL11 COP
choice 3 - School C - AL12 COP
At first glance, we may think that this is a secured choice because choice 2 is AL11 and choice 3 is AL12.
However, there may be a possibility that
School A COP remain at AL10,
School B COP move to AL10 (or AL11 balloting for student with 1st choice)
School C has balloting at AL11.
So if School C is a very popular school, it's possible that putting the school as 3rd choice will affect the students chance.
Since MOE has already announced that there is an increase of 2.1% of the 2021 cohort moving up to express stream, we should be mindful that there will be a larger pool of student vying for S1 posting express stream. And the spike could be as great or greater than dragon year.
So if we talk about AL18 or better, I think there will be little changed only.
If we talk about AL19-22, there may be bigger fluctuation.[/quote]Someone in another thread calculated the absolute number qualified for express is about the same as last year. Higher percentage is actually due to smaller cohort size in 2021:
2019 = 40,256 x 66.3% = 26,690
2020 = 39,995 x 66.3% = 26,517
2021 = 39,119 x 68.4% = 26,757 -
m3i_m3i\" post_id=\"2048872\" time=\"1637974449\" user_id=\"18745:
Not exactly, Under AL system, 45 is now equal to 64, because AL6 covers 45 to 64. If a student score 45, he or she is as good as 64 for that subject.
The increase for S1 posting express should be from decreasing C from 50 to 45 at AL6
So if we talk about AL18 or better, I think there will be little changed only.
If we talk about AL19-22, there may be bigger fluctuation.
As long as it is possible to include a AL6 subject within the AL COP, that possibility cannot be excluded.
e.g. at the top, its now possible to score AL9 with AL 1 + 1 + 1 + 6 = AL9. (approx >231)
if we move further down at AL14 COP, its now possible to have 2 AL6 subjects, e.g. AL6 + 6 + 1 + 1 (approx >198)
As we are dealing with a cohort size of around 39,500 students, any sort of permutation is highly possible, perhaps not so much to the extreme.
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