2021 PSLE Discussions and Strategies (Children born in 2009)

[cocacoco]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2049825\" time=\"1638229106\" user_id=\"30663:

Under the t-score system, every raw mark of every subject will contribute to the final t-score.

For the above example, it will be classified as AL 1 + 2 + 2 + 3 = AL8. Using the same conversion rate of 2020, the t-score should be around 260.

You may be surprised why AL8 is 260, unfortunately, this is how AL system work. if a student score 89 89 89 89 AL will be AL8. And all it takes is 4 extra marks equally distributed among 4 subjects, the AL will be bumped up to AL4 (90 90 90 90)

At the top, the difference between AL8 7 6 5 and 4 could just be separated by 1 or a few raw marks.

thanks for sharing.

Based on the same conversion rate of 2020, how about 92+84+90+83? what would the t-score be?

[zac's mum]

Under T score system, tuition centres liked to boast how many A and As their students had.


Under AL system:

A is AL1, if 4A*s will be total 4 points.

A is raw marks 75-90, if 4As could be as good as 1+1+1+1=4 points or as “bad” as 4+4+4+4=16 points.

Last time if score 74 is considered a high B. Now is a “terrible” AL5 grade.

[optrex80]

In the new system. I guess only AL4 and AL5 no need to ballot if aiming for the top school…if u take last year as benchmark. A student can score 89,89,89,89 and just pure bad luck turn to AL8 just by missing that precious 1 mark for every single subject as an extreme simulated scenario… and not make it to the top schools…

[zac's mum]

For languages, the total raw mark is 200, which will be converted to 100%. So each loss of 2 raw marks will be 1 percentage point.


That could be good or bad (depending on which component a child is strong or weak in).

[Hang mum]

I have been reading most of the posts here to try to understand this years AL and submission.


Now need help here.
We have struggles to put AHS v.s. Ngee Ann secondary school (which 1st). Both are the popular school in the east.

Not sure whether the 6 lists with AL 11(no HMT at P6) as below :

1) Anglican High School (12P).
MRT, walk up hills and no shelter.
30mins around. DS likes this school. Stop HMT in P6 to free more time for other subjects. Eligible study HMT in Secondary school.

-Not sure the benefit SAP school.
-Should We put AHS as 1st choice or is tt a wast of 1st choice ( no study HMT) ?

2) Ngee Ann secondary school (12)
Bus. Within 30 mins.

Heard it is an affiliation school.
?? How many or limited vacancies to non-affiliation student?
- We are non-affiliation student to Ngee Ann.

If we fail to go AHS, Ngee Ann is on the 2nd choice. If this year more student got AL11 and above, lives in the east, if choose Ngee Ann, will it be risky??

Should we put Ngee Ann as 1st.
Should we remove AHS from the lists.

3) Temasek Secondary school (13).
bus. 30mins+/- travel. But ok.

4)Duman secondary school (14)
Need change bus. But nearer than Temasek as nearby Ngee Ann.

5) St Hilda’s (15)

6) Hai Sing catholic (16)

How We use 1st choice wisely. Should Ngee Ann 1st or AHS?

If fail no1 and no 2 choice, is No. 3 and 4 safe for us?


Today is the last day submission. I am feeling isolated. Only have some information from KSP here.
Any suggestions for us?


Thanks you in advance if have any feedback.

[Veyron]

optrex80\" post_id=\"2049836\" time=\"1638233574\" user_id=\"72116:

In the new system. I guess only AL4 and AL5 no need to ballot if aiming for the top school..if u take last year as benchmark. A student can score 89,89,89,89 and just pure bad luck turn to AL8 just by missing that precious 1 mark for every single subject as an extreme simulated scenario... and not make it to the top schools..

Back in 2019, RGS COP was 261, while last year 260 COP was classified as AL6. So I am guessing that in some years, we may see balloting for at AL5 for RGS. And that will certainly send a shock wave across Singapore as AL5 is no longer the gold standard for PSLE, even if only 2 or 3 students get balloted out of RGS that year.

[jing2ling2]

JamesSoverklas\" post_id=\"2049800\" time=\"1638201139\" user_id=\"193980:

No offence to the non Singaporeans parents, I agree singapore have good education system compared to some other countries. Converted to Singapore citizenship, most welcome. I think it is something good for scholars to convert to singapore citizen, contributing to the country. But if just tagging along with singapore education system, I think MOE should give singapore citizen the advantage.

I don’t agree with this although my DD is citizen. The foreigners also tax payer. They r paying everything without subsidy. Current system already put them in the least priority when marks are same. Their child and parents face more stress than us. They need to spend more money and put in more effort in order to go into good school. What your expected is really unfair.
We should teach our children how to work hard to get what they want instead of trying to protect them with an unfair system. One day they will enter the society, no competitiveness will be eliminated.

[lee_yl]

Timmy21\" post_id=\"2049826\" time=\"1638229928\" user_id=\"122721:

U need to ask ur DD (and perhaps yourself) how badly you want NYGH. I personally dun see how or why NYGH is superior to RV, there are many good schools tat give their students great learning environment and opportunities.
No one can guarantee whether RV COP ends up as 7 instead of the \"indicative\" 9. Since you seem to be super worried, better make sure that your 4th-6th choices are acceptable and you won't regret.

NYGH is deemed superior because it leads to Hwa Chong?

If RVHS location is more central like its former River Valley location, maybe it would be more attractive.

This year top 10% is at AL8 and from MOE simulation, RVHS COP at AL9. The number of AL8 students who qualify for IP is still around the number of students scoring 252. So for top schools, not impossible to jump 2 points but quite unlikely. If from 9(D) to 8(P) or 8(M) maybe but I think RVHS COP unlikely to be at AL7.

A lot of AL9 pointers choose RVHS, will not affect the COP, must a lot of AL4 and AL5 pointers choose to go RVHS then its COP will drop to AL7. And note that some students staying near RVHS would still prefer HCI and NJC (not too far away).

I wonder if RI COP will drop to AL7. Because girls generally do better than boys in PSLE especially so for AL system where doing well in languages is very important.

[SpongyBobs]

Veyron\" post_id=\"2049840\" time=\"1638234880\" user_id=\"30663:

Back in 2019, RGS COP was 261, while last year 260 COP was classified as AL6. So I am guessing that in some years, we may see balloting for at AL5 for RGS. And that will certainly send a shock wave across Singapore as AL5 is no longer the gold standard for PSLE, even if only 2 or 3 students get balloted out of RGS that year.

Assuming AL4-5 = top3% of cohort
Assuming cohort size = 40000 → those scored AL4 & AL5 = 1200, more or less

From the 1200, you will have variety of students, maybe 55% girls, 45% boys; some non-chinese speaking who will prefer RI / RGS, and chinese students who can go anywhere (RI/RGS/NYGS/HCI/MGS).

Assuming vacancies of top 5 schools (RI/RGS/NYGS/HCI/MGS) ≈ 350 x 5 = 1750. From there, you will have some taken by DSA, but DSA students normally fare quite well in PSLE, hence AL4 AL5 themselves. So, let's use 10% of vacancies taken by DSA students who scored AL6 or worse. That leaves us with 1575 seats for less than 1200 students.

The odd of AL5 require balloting, in my opinion will be if:
1. PSLE set is easier, bumping more AL4 & AL5 beyond 3%
2. Odd distribution of AL4 /AL5 students, leaning towards more students in one group (eg, 80% boys, 20% girls vying for RI /HCI only).

I have a feeling that MOE will not want those to happen. To be honest, if a student managed to score AL4 or AL5, he/she deserves to be guaranteed a place in his/her choice.

[Veyron]

jing2ling2\" post_id=\"2049841\" time=\"1638235220\" user_id=\"41786:

I don’t agree with this although my DD is citizen. The foreigners also tax payer. They r paying everything without subsidy. Current system already put them in the least priority when marks are same. Their child and parents face more stress than us. They need to spend more money and put in more effort in order to go into good school. What your expected is really unfair.
We should teach our children how to work hard to get what they want instead of trying to protect them with an unfair system. One day they will enter the society, no competitiveness will be eliminated.

This is exactly the reason why J. Schooling go to the USA to train for Olympics instead of remaining in Singapore to make him feel like he is the biggest fish in the small pond.