Property Views
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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2060474\" time=\"1646311958\" user_id=\"43981:
I can u’stand esp those who fear the high costs of the legal process. Moreover, for those who always think they hv an upper-hand, their mentality is they can abuse ‘ignorance’ of legal rights of the under-dogs by insisting their own narratives.
I m just thinking hor..if tenant's case is strong, just go and start the legal proceedings. I just think that there are stages and up to tenant to stop at which stage. There may be chance of settlement before court appearance whatsoever as I think the stake is high on the LL..not only court decision at the end but CEA may investigate also.
But hor, those who are stiff in their belief they can always win & work the system to their adv, will hv the justice scale falling upon them someday.
Our society is also more informed & many are learning just as we’ll sharing thro social media & access to learn fr many authoritative tracks to seek recourse for their grief. I always believe in the Higher Hands meeting out justice to those who bully, take advantage or abuse their authorities, where man-made legal system fails to catch them.
Belief me, if this LL’s/agent’s misdeed is officially found as errant, there’s no place to hide that face in red dot S’pore. The shame ....
That’s why we hv those who work pro-bono to avail legal assistance to uphold justice or provide some relieve & access to legal services. -
Just wondering… what’s the use of suing? Would the tenant be willing to move back to the place if he wins? Or is he going to be paid some extra $$$ for damages? How much money are we talking about here?
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ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2060489\" time=\"1646352841\" user_id=\"3:
Definitely no way to move back. I’m sure by now the tenants ELD hv signed ano tenancy to live somewhere else & possibly at higher rent.
Just wondering... what's the use of suing? Would the tenant be willing to move back to the place if he wins? Or is he going to be paid some extra $$$ for damages? How much money are we talking about here?
Think lee mentioned 3 mths deposit. Depending on location & size of unit, it can be anywhere btwn $7.5 to $10K thereabouts. For healthcare workers, esp foreigners, that’s a big sum. These are hard earned money to the tenants. In anycase, it’s not just the amt but the integrity of contract & how it reflects on Spore system of justice. -
MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2060470\" time=\"1646310243\" user_id=\"43981:
The unit was rented out to the tenant at $2600/mth.
An eg of landlord fm hell? Thought a new lease. 8mths left need to 'plan' till like this..
We saw the landlord advertising on internet asking for $4000/mth. 5-rm flat in town.
So I guess every month the landlord thinks she is ‘losing’ money so LL thinks of all kind of ways to evict the tenant.
Very shocked the LL can think of using the termination letter from HDB to evict tenant. And more shocking, the next moment, the unit was put on rent on the market again. -
Estéema\" post_id=\"2060493\" time=\"1646359682\" user_id=\"66413:
That’s why I helped the tenant for free. I see them so poor thing. Past few months I brought the tenant to HDB, CEA, police station and lawyer firm.
Definitely no way to move back. I’m sure by now the tenants ELD hv signed ano tenancy to live somewhere else & possibly at higher rent.
Think lee mentioned 3 mths deposit. Depending on location & size of unit, it can be anywhere btwn $7.5 to $10K thereabouts. For healthcare workers, esp foreigners, that’s a big sum. These are hard earned money to the tenants. In anycase, it’s not just the amt but the integrity of contract & how it reflects on Spore system of justice.
Went to make police report, police asked us to report to HDB, went to HDB, they asked us to go see a lawyer for TA dispute. Went to see lawyer, lawyer said make police report for harassment and wrote to HDB as well. In the end, we just went around in circles.
Last week I asked tenant any news from CEA after 4 months, she said no. I offered to write in again but tenant declined, she said the landlord (also an agent herself) threatened her (and co-tenants) that if they tried destroy her career, she would also go to their workplace to destroy their career. The tenants were extremely scared of the LL now.
The tenant has since moved out after LL broke in with locksmith and police. The tenant has also given up about getting back their 3 months deposit.
These few months I tried to think of many ways to help them but I have run out of ideas too. Just feeling depressed that despite all these injustices, nothing much can be done. -
lee_yl\" post_id=\"2060495\" time=\"1646361274\" user_id=\"17023:
This is just terrible. It's plain bullying. Unless there's some good reason why the 3 months deposit should be forfeited for maintenance of the flat, keeping the deposit while removing the tenants while still on contract is definitely robbing and stealing. We cannot let this continue. @Esteema, what is our recourse?
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Last week I asked tenant any news from CEA after 4 months, she said no. I offered to write in again but tenant declined, she said the landlord (also an agent herself) threatened her (and co-tenants) that if they tried destroy her career, she would also go to their workplace to destroy their career. The tenants were extremely scared of the LL now.
The tenant has since moved out after LL broke in with locksmith and police. The tenant has also given up about getting back their 3 months deposit.
These few months I tried to think of many ways to help them but I have run out of ideas too. Just feeling depressed that despite all these injustices, nothing much can be done. -
Looks like the tenants hv resigned & gave up pursuing. If they can be motivated again, Small Claims Tribunal is the place to seek recourse, unless they can find a pro-Bono lawyer for legal suit.
Mths other blockage is the time needed to present themselves in court. It can be very stressful. I can imagine the LL’s threats of storing trouble at their workplace.
I was once facing such a similar threat fr my contractor at age 21, and it was indeed terrifying & stressful, if not for my company’s legal counsel who recommended a lawyer Frd. I was supposed to pay processing fee whilst the lawyer offered his service free to write a demand letter. This action actually scare the daylight of the fierce 老板娘 in turn & we settled before any lawsuit.
Lee, every effort to stand on justice side is nvr wasted. It gives others who at downtrodden hope & the spirit to fight back fr oppression. Asking for $4K for an old HDB is still daylight robbery! She can wait for her next victim but justice is watching to snare her soon. Let’s uphold justice! -
Is threatening also an offence? Note down time and date, gather all evidences… like what not a normal ppl will do?
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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2060500\" time=\"1646363866\" user_id=\"43981:
Threatening can be considered as an offence but need evidence.
Is threatening also an offence? Note down time and date, gather all evidences.. like what not a normal ppl will do?
For example, we took down the police officer’s name during the day of eviction, went to police station to seek recourse, the police there said, sorry we cannot disclose to safeguard operational confidentiality. Nothing we can do.
We filed police report on harassment a few times since last year until now, no Investigation Officer called back. Don’t expect police to help as TA matters are civil disputes not criminal cases. True enough, Police told us TA dispute is placed as the lowest priority. Ask us look for lawyer instead. We went in / out police station many times already. -
Estéema\" post_id=\"2060499\" time=\"1646363392\" user_id=\"66413:
TA contracts that are more than 2 years cannot go to small claim courts.
Looks like the tenants hv resigned & gave up pursuing. If they can be motivated again, Small Claims Tribunal is the place to seek recourse, unless they can find a pro-Bono lawyer for legal suit.
Mths other blockage is the time needed to present themselves in court. It can be very stressful. I can imagine the LL’s threats of storing trouble at their workplace.
I was once facing such a similar threat fr my contractor at age 21, and it was indeed terrifying & stressful, if not for my company’s legal counsel who recommended a lawyer Frd. I was supposed to pay processing fee whilst the lawyer offered his service free to write a demand letter. This action actually scare the daylight of the fierce 老板娘 in turn & we settled before any lawsuit.
Lee, every effort to stand on justice side is nvr wasted. It gives others who at downtrodden hope & the spirit to fight back fr oppression. Asking for $4K for an old HDB is still daylight robbery! She can wait for her next victim but justice is watching to snare her soon. Let’s uphold justice!
We wrote in to pro-bono lawyer asking for help but was rejected, and was asked to look for our own lawyer cos the healthcare workers are working adults.
Same like you back then, the tenants are young adults. The tenants only knew how to cry when bullied by the LL. The lawyer I recommended wrote to LL a few times to try to settle the matter amicably but LL was not deterred and went ahead with the actions. Lawyer said the best way is still go to court. Tenants not willing to pay $5K-$8K for the court fees.
The LL is highly educated. She is not scared at all of lawyer’s letter. I have seen those not so highly educated ones, once received a lawyer’s letter, would get scared, so would quickly apologize. Something I learnt from this incident, knowledge is indeed power!
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