School of Science and Technology
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phtthp\" post_id=\"2067954\" time=\"1652910567\" user_id=\"35251:
There is also a difference between \"qualify for JC admission\" vs \"good enough for JC\".
you have posed a good question.
Qualify for JC, & being eligible for JC admission (up to 20 points Cut off for L1R5, to enter any JC)
vs.
being influenced by peers to enter Polytechnic instead of JC path, are two different separate matter.
Indeed, there is a very strong influence, coming from both ( the 4 years of unique designed curriculum training as well as peers influence), to head for the Poly path. That means,
SST students may have qualified for JC admission. But during the very close 4 years' of relationship bonding with fellow school-mates / class-mates, they may have been influenced strongly to choose Polytechnic path instead. Only those adamant to stick to JC, will choose JC after the release of their O-level results.
If a student obtained 20 points for L1R5, he/ she may choose to opt for Poly instead and be able to get into a decent course vs going into the only JC with a COP of 20.
Thus, I am really curious about SST O levels L1R5 average score. -
floppy\" post_id=\"2067969\" time=\"1652926583\" user_id=\"97579:
What I meant by \"normal secondary schools\" are those that provide the academic route.
I think there is a need for a healthy dose of reality.
AL10 - 11 PSLE isn't a 'normal' secondary school. That's the COP of a better secondary school like Anderson, BPGH, CCHS, CGS, etc. There are probably less than 10 secondary schools (minus the IP schools) with 10-11 COP.
Unless you are fairly certain that your child is going to qualify for the IP stream, or for one of these schools (i.e. AL < 11), you are not going to get anywhere near 55% of a graduating cohort going to JC. Furthermore, there's a difference between COP AL11 and average AL11. Therefore, 45% of SST students going to poly isn't abnormal or all that surprising when all things are considered.
Generally, interest in the A Level path has declined, as evidenced by the reduction in the number of JC and centralised institutes in recent years, as well as the relatively high COP (in the single digit) for popular poly courses. This is due, partly, to the increased number of university places offered to poly students, and the number of new poly courses that are more relevant and interesting for today's youth / economy. If you have done the math, you will figure out that to get into a similar or popular course in university would require you to be among the best scorers in A Level. It is a difficult task for the majority and the odds are not in your favour if you are not among the IP cohort, or from one of the 'better' schools mentioned.
But I am on the same point as you that a secondary school with a COP of 10 to 11 would have much more students going to JC. My elder is in a school with 11 COP and told me that 90% of their graduating students go via the JC route (statistics not verified).
You make the valid (and probably crucial point), SST take in average PSLE score of AL 10 to 11 and NOT COP AL11, that may make the big difference. -
Let’s say u get 14 or 15, for your L1R5 (Raw score).
Would SST students prefer to go (Poly or JC) ? -
ZuEn\" post_id=\"2067971\" time=\"1652927302\" user_id=\"4514:
I think your elder may have inflated the numbers
What I meant by \"normal secondary schools\" are those that provide the academic route.
But I am on the same point as you that a secondary school with a COP of 10 to 11 would have much more students going to JC. My elder is in a school with 11 COP and told me that 90% of their graduating students go via the JC route (statistics not verified).
You make the valid (and probably crucial point), SST take in average PSLE score of AL 10 to 11 and NOT COP AL11, that may make the big difference.
Even among the IP schools with O Level cohort, I don't think the number of their O Level students going to JC is as high as 90%.
Notwithstanding, the exact figure really isn't that important. We can all agree that a significant majority (definitely > 55%) of students from these schools (AL < 11) go to JC. Hence, if you are looking at a more traditional route, you should be looking at DSA-ing to these schools.
SST, on the other hand, caters to a less traditional approach (which I am sure you are aware of). Hence, it's understandable why L1R5 would not be a meaningful comparison (or measurement) for SST. -
floppy\" post_id=\"2067974\" time=\"1652928330\" user_id=\"97579:
I can tell that my elder loves her school so much! Lol.
I think your elder may have inflated the numbers
Even among the IP schools with O Level cohort, I don't think the number of their O Level students going to JC is as high as 90%.
Notwithstanding, the exact figure really isn't that important. We can all agree that a significant majority (definitely > 55%) of students from these schools (AL < 11) go to JC. Hence, if you are looking at a more traditional route, you should be looking at DSA-ing to these schools.
SST, on the other hand, caters to a less traditional approach (which I am sure you are aware of). Hence, it's understandable why L1R5 would not be a meaningful comparison (or measurement) for SST.
I am very torn. I am indeed very much looking for a traditional school but DS is keen on SST.
Well, not like he is offered a CO. I guessed it is very much for him to explore (more) if he does get selected for the selection. -
Ultimately you would need to see if you are prioritising your child’s preference or your own preference. SST is definitely different from a traditional secondary school.
That being said, going to Poly does not determine that your child is any lower than a child who goes to JC. With what the polytechnics can offer to children nowadays, the opportunities are very different from the past. There are many live examples of student going to JC but switched to Poly after a year of studies. -
CeciliaANG\" post_id=\"2067995\" time=\"1652940635\" user_id=\"57131:
Why,
...
There are many live examples of student going to JC but switched to Poly after a year of studies.
after studied one year in JC halfway through, suddenly dropped JC & switch over to Polytechnic ? Might as well complete their JC study first, then decide what's the next step. -
floppy\" post_id=\"2067974\" time=\"1652928330\" user_id=\"97579:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RHMJDhy2V2BScuW32-Zdodp274l6vv5W?usp=sharing
I think your elder may have inflated the numbers
Even among the IP schools with O Level cohort, I don't think the number of their O Level students going to JC is as high as 90%.
Notwithstanding, the exact figure really isn't that important. We can all agree that a significant majority (definitely > 55%) of students from these schools (AL < 11) go to JC. Hence, if you are looking at a more traditional route, you should be looking at DSA-ing to these schools.
SST, on the other hand, caters to a less traditional approach (which I am sure you are aware of). Hence, it's understandable why L1R5 would not be a meaningful comparison (or measurement) for SST.
SJI % advancing to JC is > 90% according to the slides -
emoh\" post_id=\"2068104\" time=\"1653015565\" user_id=\"10618:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1RHMJDhy2V2BScuW32-Zdodp274l6vv5W?usp=sharing
SJI % advancing to JC is > 90% according to the slides
% advancing to JC - 97.2%
Is not the same as % going to JC in the earlier context.
What it means is 97.2% (~247 students) of SJI OP students has a score of < 20 points for L1R5.
There is more clarity if you read in conjunction with the other 2 data provided above \"% advancing to JC\":
% Passing with 5 ‘O’ Level Passes - 100%
% advancing to JC and Polytechnic - 100%
and % scoring 10 points or less (L1B5) - 55.5% (141)
- SJI probably doesn't track the proportion of their students in JC / Polytechnic but given the numbers presented, it is reasonable to assume that at least 10% of the 97.2% (~25 students) would not choose JC for whatever reasons (L1R5 not ideal for some JC, preferred poly courses, etc).
- Alternatively, you can look at the 114 students with a score of 11 points or more (and we could reasonably assume the actual number to be higher, since L1B5 is not exactly L1R5).
- In a normal distribution, there will be more than a handful from this group of 114 students having a score of L1R5 > 15 points - the usual tipping point between considering JC or Poly.
- Add to the 2.8% (~7 students) who didn't do well for L1R5, the numbers ending up in JC is likely < 90%.
- It is not surprising or unexpected for a typical COP AL8 to AL12 school. -
I may be ignorant but I always thought SST is applied science and technology therefore the training pathway typically leads from SST-applied courses in poly-SUTD whereas NUSH is more theoretical maths/science study so pathway is more academically-based generally leading to higher studies in theoretical maths/sciences in University.
Anyway my friend son has a successful run in SST and will be dsa’ing into HCI to continue his interest in computing/coding.
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