Raffles Girls' Primary
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The system is now fully centralized, so even RGS staff may not know the exact details of what's happening in their own schools. Only MOE knows, and MOE is not going to tell. In the spirit of fairness... everyone don't know lor...
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ChiefKiasu\" post_id=\"2075478\" time=\"1658369906\" user_id=\"3:
I believe the school should have access to some or all information, or the information may be distributed from MOE to the respective schools for checking and verification. Such information can be considered \"market sensitive\" which may give some parents an unfair advantage.
The system is now fully centralized, so even RGS staff may not know the exact details of what's happening in their own schools. Only MOE knows, and MOE is not going to tell. In the spirit of fairness... everyone don't know lor... -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2075504\" time=\"1658375749\" user_id=\"30663:
For registration, there is nothing for the school to check and verify - apart from Phase 2A and Phase 2B.
I believe the school should have access to some or all information, or the information may be distributed from MOE to the respective schools for checking and verification. Such information can be considered \"market sensitive\" which may give some parents an unfair advantage.
For Phase 2C, system is fully centralised as per ChiefKiasu. The schools' staff don't have all the info and aren't able to access the info until a much later time, which won't be timely for the applicants. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2075504\" time=\"1658375749\" user_id=\"30663:
Of course !
I believe the school should have access to some or all information, or the information may be distributed from MOE to the respective schools for checking and verification. Such information can be considered \"market sensitive\" which may give some parents an unfair advantage.
Of course, RGPS school herself would have ALL the full details at their finger tip, of who have registered under each of Phase (2A or 2B or 2C), and whether each child registered is an SC / PR / etc
Otherwise,
for so many donkey years,
up to the very last pre-covid year 2019 -
How would the Admin staff (RGPS) EVERY 5 minutes or so -
from ( 3.30 pm to 4.30 pm ding ding ding Bell ring for closure ) this critical batch window last minute P1 registration, on the last day of 2C
be able to
immediately come out of the school hall,
quickly walked up to the white board,
used a white board Eraser to erase away all previous old data and quickly refreshed information instanteously, into very minute detailed information,
for each and every single Phase of students enrolment in (2A1 / 2A2 / 2B / 2C
) :-
1) for less than 1 km -
how many (SC + PR + foreigner)s have registered ?
2) between (1 to 2 km) -
how many (SC + PR + foreigner)s have registered ?
3) more than 2 km, exceeded -
how many (SC + PR + foreigner)s have registered?
This so stable system \"instantaneous\" data release keeping track had been implemented & in place for so many donkey years, way, way way even before I registered my kid in year 2014, up to the very last year 2019.
Let's use our common sense !
Otherwise, without such detailed info breakdown available, how do u expect the Rgps Admin staff to be able to walk out of the hall every 5 minutes quickly, to update the white board info urgently, so confidently?
That only point to one conclusive thing !
Data, definitely RGPS has, proven by past decade(s) of releasing white board info, in this manner.
But, strangely,
when the pandemic started from year 2020 onwards,
somehow,
Rgps have decided to keep silent on releasing data, for whatever reasons.
Either
1) Moe instructed Rgps to stop their old method of updating white board every 5 minutes, for whatever reasons,
Or
2) Rgps Principal ( Mrs Yue Yoke Mun ) has clearly instructed her admin staff, to practise otherwise. -
I agree with your conclusion that the schools definitely have the numbers but I think your supporting evidence from pre pandemic years are not useful - the others were suggesting that since 2C registration have gone full online since start of pandemic in 2020 and since the schools do not need any supporting documents for 2C (save for those using non nric addresses using online form instead of p1-IS system) they are not privy to the information on total applicants numbers. What happened pre pandemic with physical applications was a different scenario.
However I also think that the schools still have the information and my supporting argument is that in in the past 2 years there were people who said that schools called them up to inform them that they had no chance for ballot (eg applicants in the nearer distance brackets were already way oversubscribed). If other schools were able to do this I don’t believe that rgps is any different.
I do however think that moving things online makes a difference in the sense that in the old days the school just had to do one thing which is update the board outside the office, and whether or not people choose to go down to take a look is their choice and school doesn’t think that practice is discriminating anyone. It’s also administratively easy.
During the pandemic years outsiders were not allowed to enter the school and the only was that anyone can get the information was by calling the school. Rgps likely is one of the schools with most calls and the admin office would probably be super busy and overloaded with answering these calls. Not to mention in a way it was a bit unfair as the information was given to the few who called or could get through the line and not “publicly made available” on a white board that all were able to go down and see. Although this could be controversial as one can say that anyone could pick up the phone and call and those who don’t do that made their own choice not to obtain information? So I think likely rgps just couldn’t handle or didn’t want to handle the sheer number of parents that kept calling every few minutes, not good for parents but I guess understandable.phtthp\" post_id=\"2075530\" time=\"1658385193\" user_id=\"35251:
Of course !
Of course, RGPS school herself would have ALL the full details at their finger tip, of who have registered under each of Phase (2A or 2B or 2C), and whether each child registered is an SC / PR / etc
Otherwise,
for so many donkey years,
up to the very last pre-covid year 2019 -
How would the Admin staff (RGPS) EVERY 5 minutes or so -
from ( 3.30 pm to 4.30 pm ding ding ding Bell ring for closure ) this critical batch window last minute P1 registration, on the last day of 2C
be able to
immediately come out of the school hall,
quickly walked up to the white board,
used a white board Eraser to erase away all previous old data and quickly refreshed information instanteously, into very minute detailed information,
for each and every single Phase of students enrolment in (2A1 / 2A2 / 2B / 2C
) :-
1) for less than 1 km -
how many (SC + PR + foreigner)s have registered ?
2) between (1 to 2 km) -
how many (SC + PR + foreigner)s have registered ?
3) more than 2 km, exceeded -
how many (SC + PR + foreigner)s have registered?
This so stable system \"instantaneous\" data release keeping track had been implemented & in place for so many donkey years, way, way way even before I registered my kid in year 2014, up to the very last year 2019.
Let's use our common sense !
Otherwise, without such detailed info breakdown available, how do u expect the Rgps Admin staff to be able to walk out of the hall every 5 minutes quickly, to update the white board info urgently, so confidently?
That only point to one conclusive thing !
Data, definitely RGPS has, proven by past decade(s) of releasing white board info, in this manner.
But, strangely,
when the pandemic started from year 2020 onwards,
somehow,
Rgps have decided to keep silent on releasing data, for whatever reasons.
Either
1) Moe instructed Rgps to stop their old method of updating white board every 5 minutes, for whatever reasons,
Or
2) Rgps Principal ( Mrs Yue Yoke Mun ) has clearly instructed her admin staff, to practise otherwise. -
floppy\" post_id=\"2075506\" time=\"1658376522\" user_id=\"97579:
I would think that all schools will have to check all applications to ensure all supporting documents are in order. For those without proper or complete supporting documents, the school will contact parents via phone and email. I believe this should be the standard SOP to ensure all applicants accepted into the school via each phase, including 2C are legit before conducting balloting.
For registration, there is nothing for the school to check and verify - apart from Phase 2A and Phase 2B.
For Phase 2C, system is fully centralised as per ChiefKiasu. The schools' staff don't have all the info and aren't able to access the info until a much later time, which won't be timely for the applicants. -
Veyron\" post_id=\"2075560\" time=\"1658395524\" user_id=\"30663:
What supporting documents are you expecting from Phase 2C?
I would think that all schools will have to check all applications to ensure all supporting documents are in order. For those without proper or complete supporting documents, the school will contact parents via phone and email. I believe this should be the standard SOP to ensure all applicants accepted into the school via each phase, including 2C are legit before conducting balloting.
Except for a few unusual cases, registration is done via centralised registration using the Primary One Internet System (P1-IS). All you need is Singpass, which already contains the verified digital identity.
You can refer to the updated process here: https://www.moe.gov.sg/primary/p1-registration/how-to-register. As beatbo commented earlier, we are already way passed the old methods. -
floppy\" post_id=\"2075563\" time=\"1658396766\" user_id=\"97579:
For phase 2C, one very important criteria is home address, which may require verification and supporting documents after online registration. The school will have to screen through every application before they conduct balloting.
What supporting documents are you expecting from Phase 2C?
Except for a few unusual cases, registration is done via centralised registration using the Primary One Internet System (P1-IS). All you need is Singpass, which already contains the verified digital identity.
You can refer to the updated process here: https://www.moe.gov.sg/primary/p1-registration/how-to-register. As beatbo commented earlier, we are already way passed the old methods.
https://www.moe.gov.sg/primary/p1-registration/home-address -
phase 2B results out on MOE website. RGPS phase 2B applicants increased from 31 to 39 out of 43 available places. means still a number of day 2 applicants. same increase noted for nanyang primary and SCGS that are in the vicinity of RGPS.
Now need to wait for SMS confirmation. Phew a sigh of relief and congrats to all phase 2b applicants who got in without need for ballot.
https://www.moe.gov.sg/primary/p1-registration/vacancies-and-balloting -
actually for this year’s application for RPGS, phase 2B was saved by the lower than usual phase 2A applicants after a record number of phase 1 applicants of 89. Based on past years, the average number of phase 2A applicants is around 70+ and this year was only 52.
If phase 2A applicants were 70, phase 2b will likely end up to ballot for those more than 2 km.
anyway, i do believe the new GRL rules will disadvantage PVs from many schools who do not live within 1-2 km of the school. From the current results for many popular schools, phase 2b requires ballot for singaporeans within 1 km.
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