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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2085629\" time=\"1665580474\" user_id=\"43981:

I don't know..my random thinking is luckily they have children..maybe got chance of not going to the extreme so easily

Won't go to the extreme lah ***

IMHO, between now and 8 Nov (US mid term elections) and 15 & 16 Nov (G20 Summit), we will be seeing a lot of NATO (no action wayang only), or firecracker (bang bang bang) but very little and limited impact on the actual ground situation. After that, US and Europe will come to some kind of compromise with Russia that allow both sides to claim victory. As for Ukraine, Ukraine who? Both sides have 'form' on this kind of thing throughout history.

*** The only exception is when Ukraine does something crazy like attacking Russia. So far, US and Europe will only provide weapons that keep the fight in Ukraine but not extend beyond that. If Ukraine tries to do another 'Kerch Bridge\", we may see a more severe response from Russia.

[MrsKiasu]

Let all parties 'win'

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MrsKiasu\" post_id=\"2085643\" time=\"1665628560\" user_id=\"43981:

Let all parties 'win'

99% will win.
It's a bit hard to see how Ukraine can win.

[newkeynesian]

Why then is the Ukrainian govt so foolish to volunteer as a sacrificing lamb for the US if there is nothing in for the Ukrainians?


If the US and Nato are so unhappy with the Russians then should fight head on with them to show the world who is the real boss than use a 3rd hand to do the job. This will send a strong signal to the ROW that the US is still the strong leader (or big bully) that it once was apart from its strong USD and military prowess. Keep it simple.

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newkeynesian\" post_id=\"2085645\" time=\"1665629417\" user_id=\"5441:

Why then is the Ukrainian govt so foolish to volunteer as a sacrificing lamb for the US if there is nothing in for the Ukrainians?

If the US and Nato are so unhappy with the Russians then should fight head on with them to show the world who is the real boss than use a *3rd* hand to do the job. This will send a strong signal to the ROW that the US is still the strong leader (or big bully) that it once was apart from its strong USD and military prowess. Keep it simple.

When's the last time US / NATO take on someone their own size on a battlefield? Ultimately, 核大国不打核大国, but for everyone else? Fair game.

TBF, I don't think Ukraine was expecting Russia to attack them (even Zelensky didn't think it would happen). In politics (and just about everything else), when there is a willing payer / buyer, there will be a willing seller. Otherwise, why should \"lobbyist\" (in American politics) even exist? At the end of the day, TANSTAAFL. One cannot be expecting only intake without any output (sacrifice). Nonetheless, as long as you, or someone else is paying the price, and not me, it’s a good “consequence” (for me). There may be nothing in for \"most\" of the Ukrainians, but there are plenty of in for \"some\" Ukrainians.

[newkeynesian]

floppy\" post_id=\"2085652\" time=\"1665632204\" user_id=\"97579:

When's the last time US / NATO take on someone their own size on a battlefield? Ultimately, 核大国不打核大国, but for everyone else? Fair game.

TBF, I don't think Ukraine was expecting Russia to attack them (even Zelensky didn't think it would happen). In politics (and just about everything else), when there is a willing payer / buyer, there will be a willing seller. Otherwise, why should \"lobbyist\" (in American politics) even exist? At the end of the day, TANSTAAFL. One cannot be expecting only intake without any output (sacrifice). Nonetheless, as long as you, or someone else is paying the price, and not me, it’s a good “consequence” (for me). There may be nothing in for \"most\" of the Ukrainians, but there are plenty of in for \"some\" Ukrainians.

Thanks for elucidating the grey bits behind the scene.

Hopefully, the large number of Ukrainians will vote out this Zelensky govt in the next election (if there still is). Pity the people of Ukraine, It will take many years to re-build the country again. Hopefully again, the ROW can see the vicious intent of the *leader* and not naively think that they are the ones maintaining the world order (their own order rather).

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I hear that the Russians are targeting civilians with cruise missiles, but they are such paper tigers that they only managed to kill like 29 in 3 days, while accidentally hitting the SBU headquarters and various infrastructure.

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newkeynesian\" post_id=\"2085657\" time=\"1665637397\" user_id=\"5441:

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Hopefully again, the ROW can see the vicious intent of the *leader* and not naively think that they are the ones maintaining the world order (their own order rather).

别急，让子弹飞一会儿.

IMHO the \"ROW\" knows the intent of the One Ring and are quietly removing their own Rings of Power, without attracting attention to themselves. I think the trend lines are fairly obvious: the recent developments and subtle changes in attitude among the BRICS, SCO, African Union, Global South, Pacific Islands Forum, Mercosur and shhh.... ASEAN. Every time everyone needs to take a stand to support the \"world\", be it against Russia or China or whoever the enemy, you can see push back from the \"ROW\".

If you go beyond the \"kum ba yah\" moments, I think cracks are already appearing from within the \"world\":
- Macron says European nations should join with Asian economies to demand that the US and Norway show greater friendship by selling gas at lower prices. Huh? France wants to KPKB that they are paying four times the price that USA sells internally? 4 times is already \"friendly price\" lor. ONLY US$100m+ profit per LNG tanker for the Seven Sisters. Cheap lah. Remember, “consequences”?
- Germany’s Scholz will be traveling to China in November. Dunno what he wants to talk about but I bet it’s not about the Oktoberfest or \"decoupling\" from China.
- Italy just elected a new government (with a leader who's in Putin's camp, https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/10/12/meloni-italy-russia-big-winner-election/) and Italy continues to buy gas from Gazprom (ie gas produced in Mordor) via Austria.
- Hungary says they won’t support any additional sanctions against Russia if it involves energy. Lo and behold, no energy sanctions in the 8th round of sanction by US / EU (the 8th sanction mentions a lot of plastic, not sure who else in the world can supply more of that rare commodity). That said, Hungary is 哪根葱?!

We are living in very interesting times.

[lee_yl]

Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=\"2085507\" time=\"1665501665\" user_id=\"195250:[quote=\"Liew Nga Wing\" post_id=2085507 time=1665501665 user_id=195250]
Then what you think Russia should do? Drop a nuclear bomb on Ukraine?[/quote]

Russia should go into negotiations with Ukraine for a political settlement.

Russia should be under constant US surveillance now. Before they launch any nuclear bomb, Putin could be killed by US operatives or his own people first.

[lee_yl]

newkeynesian\" post_id=\"2085645\" time=\"1665629417\" user_id=\"5441:

Why then is the Ukrainian govt so foolish to volunteer as a sacrificing lamb for the US if there is nothing in for the Ukrainians?

If the US and Nato are so unhappy with the Russians then should fight head on with them to show the world who is the real boss than use a *3rd* hand to do the job. This will send a strong signal to the ROW that the US is still the strong leader (or big bully) that it once was apart from its strong USD and military prowess. Keep it simple.

Ukraine was forced to go into war after it was attacked, it didn’t volunteer itself as a sacrificial lamb for the US.

If US can wear Russia down without dirtying its hands and without deploying troops on the ground, why not?